I stick to USA and Japan when it comes to my :spyder: 's. Although I'm not from the USA, products made in the USA have always represented top QUALITY to me and I don't mind paying a premium for that.
Personally I will not buy any Spyderco knife made in China. I would have preferred not seeing the :spyder: bug on a knife made in China. Could have kept that for the Byrds (which I won't buy either), but I don't mind them being made there cause they don't have the :spyder: on them.
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Have you actually ever handled a Sage? Just curious because to me its fit and finish compare favorably to those of any liner lock model Spyderco has ever produced anywhere with the possible exception of the C22 CF Walker, and even that's arguable IMHO. Its materials are top quality as well. Just wondering what you find "low end" about it.RIOT wrote:im not a fan at all of the tawain & china Spyders. Im sure alot dont agree but when you have the knife in hand, open & closing the blade, the look, the feel, it doesnt feel like what Spyderco means to me, i do understand the fact that they are targeting the lower priced market. IMHO
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+1. To me the Sage drips with Spyderco QUALITY.The Deacon wrote:Have you actually ever handled a Sage? Just curious because to me its fit and finish compare favorably to those of any liner lock model Spyderco has ever produced anywhere with the possible exception of the C22 CF Walker, and even that's arguable IMHO. Its materials are top quality as well. Just wondering what you find "low end" about it.
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I don't really have a problem with ethically-sourced products, but that means the companydoing the outsourcing has to do their homework. I know a company I buy much (if not most) of my outdoor gear from in Canada, Mountain Equipment Co-Op, does their best to ethically outsource products. They have, in the past, sprung surprise visits on factories in Asia to see if they practise what they preach. And if memory serves, they have cancelled business with some factories for breaching the terms of agreement regarding treatment of workers. It's not perfect as I'm sure if all things were equal, those jobs would be here. But seeing how that's not reality, ethically outsourcing is probably the best a company trying to stay afloat can do in these difficult times. I trust Spyderco has done their homework and is making the best of the situation.
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If anyone seriously thinks the Sage is inferior in any way shape or form, I can only hazard a guess that they've never seen one. If they have then their prejudice must be blinding them to reality. The Tenacious is what it is, an excellent knife at its price point. I'm happy to have both amongst my Golden and Seki made Spydercos and my odd Chinese made Byrds.
When it comes to the whole idea of the ethics and not buying Chinese products on principal, I can only sit and wonder exactly how you are posting on a forum without the benefit of Chinese made electronic equipment. :confused:
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When it comes to the whole idea of the ethics and not buying Chinese products on principal, I can only sit and wonder exactly how you are posting on a forum without the benefit of Chinese made electronic equipment. :confused:
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Hi MileHiKnifeGuy,
Welcome to the Spyderco forum and thanx much for the understanding.
We work for our customers.
A group with a wide variety of preferences and needs. We are not suggesting that all of you are intersted in all of our products. that's not likely as we make many different knives in many different parts of the world. We always try to provide good value and good quality in our niche, which is safe, reliable high performance.
sal
Welcome to the Spyderco forum and thanx much for the understanding.
We work for our customers.
A group with a wide variety of preferences and needs. We are not suggesting that all of you are intersted in all of our products. that's not likely as we make many different knives in many different parts of the world. We always try to provide good value and good quality in our niche, which is safe, reliable high performance.
sal
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This thread is starting to resemble one of those "what do you think of CRKT" threads that have occasionally surfaced on this forum over the years and probably contributed to the shiny footsteps policy. In other words, explain (or rant about) your quality biases.
For me, when I started buying knives back in the 70s, I only bought customs, never considered buying a production knife no matter the country of origin. A few years ago I began to only buy Spydies, as it seemed they had everything that interested me and were A LOT cheaper. Lately the only knives I've bought are a few Blackhawks and discontinued CRKTs, as I think both of these companies have designs that are certainly the equal of Spydercos. Over time, most knife nuts move up their perceived ladder of quality, I seem to be going in the opposite direction. :) I used to buy customs when it would bust my budget, now I can readily afford those knives but I don't buy them anymore.
IMO, knife quality is a fetish, a moving target that I think many knife nuts continually redefine for themselves as their level of interest comes and goes.
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For me, when I started buying knives back in the 70s, I only bought customs, never considered buying a production knife no matter the country of origin. A few years ago I began to only buy Spydies, as it seemed they had everything that interested me and were A LOT cheaper. Lately the only knives I've bought are a few Blackhawks and discontinued CRKTs, as I think both of these companies have designs that are certainly the equal of Spydercos. Over time, most knife nuts move up their perceived ladder of quality, I seem to be going in the opposite direction. :) I used to buy customs when it would bust my budget, now I can readily afford those knives but I don't buy them anymore.
IMO, knife quality is a fetish, a moving target that I think many knife nuts continually redefine for themselves as their level of interest comes and goes.
-Rick
I cary my sage the most out of all spydies, Its fit and finish is right there with any other spydie. Its the only knife i would consider 2 of. On my limited budget i thank the spycie crew for a beautiful knife i can afford.
I dont care if its made in china Irac afganastan or even the usa i support good quality at low prices.
Sixheads
I dont care if its made in china Irac afganastan or even the usa i support good quality at low prices.
Sixheads
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Its all about involvment and proper sourcing.. There are both reputable factories and nonreputable factories all over Taiwan and China. Sal and spyderco have obviously taken the time to partner with a quality manufacturer, dont missunderstand me you can have a .79 cent knife made in taiwan but your goonna get what you pay for but if you spec out a quality product with a factory that has good quality controll in place your gonna get a high quality products thats more affordable than making it here in the states..
Ehm, I handled the Sage once and it didnt made the BANG for me :rolleyes:
Okey, I might have spent not enought time with it.
On the other hand, I played a couple of minutes with the Tenacious and I was AMAZED by the quality, fit n finish and lock up of that one.
On the other hand, I have to admit, that I would better pay 100$ for a non-chinese product, than for a chinese one.
And I have a couple of China made folders which are amazing quality.
The problem I have with China stuff is more ethics related than quality related. I have seen they are getting better and better in questions of small tolerances, but I am sad to see chinese vendors are able to produce a 'spyderco-like' knife. Or simply put a hole on a blade they did for someone else. They are creating products of others designs and inventions and 'create' their own products in this way. Thats what I do not like.
And for the rest, I wont talk political opinions here. :cool:
Okey, I might have spent not enought time with it.
On the other hand, I played a couple of minutes with the Tenacious and I was AMAZED by the quality, fit n finish and lock up of that one.
On the other hand, I have to admit, that I would better pay 100$ for a non-chinese product, than for a chinese one.
And I have a couple of China made folders which are amazing quality.
The problem I have with China stuff is more ethics related than quality related. I have seen they are getting better and better in questions of small tolerances, but I am sad to see chinese vendors are able to produce a 'spyderco-like' knife. Or simply put a hole on a blade they did for someone else. They are creating products of others designs and inventions and 'create' their own products in this way. Thats what I do not like.
And for the rest, I wont talk political opinions here. :cool:
"Having a dull knife is like having a stupid friend."
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Via Chad I got a black Trance/CE from Boker to test out. Made in Taiwan. Well let me tell you after a year of really hard use at my work the knife is still like I got it besides being scratched up. Still perfect lock up and the liner hasn't move a hair :cool:
Out of curiosity I bought a Tenacious in full SpyderEdge as well and I was surprised at the quality. Only don't like the serration pattern. Not very Spyderco. But as soon as the Chinese get that down I won't hesitate for a second to buy a China/Taiwan made knife.
Because of the edge configuration I didn't handle a Sage, but looking at the pics it seems like a very well made knife
Sure wish that frame lock Sage came in full SpyderEdge
Out of curiosity I bought a Tenacious in full SpyderEdge as well and I was surprised at the quality. Only don't like the serration pattern. Not very Spyderco. But as soon as the Chinese get that down I won't hesitate for a second to buy a China/Taiwan made knife.
Because of the edge configuration I didn't handle a Sage, but looking at the pics it seems like a very well made knife
Sure wish that frame lock Sage came in full SpyderEdge
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MEMBER OF THE INTERNATIONAL ORDER OF THE SPYDEREDGE!!!
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....AND A FG(PARA) MILITARY/SE IN CPMD2(thanx Sal)
...I would love to have one in full SpyderEdge:p
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Knock-offs are always an issue for companies known for high quality goods. There is always some turd out there hoping to make a buck off of others' designs, not all of them are from China. There are "American" companies that buy/distribute this junk. They are like fleas on a dog, scratch one off and another pops up later. A sad reality for businesses.224477 wrote: I have seen they are getting better and better in questions of small tolerances, but I am sad to see chinese vendors are able to produce a 'spyderco-like' knife. Or simply put a hole on a blade they did for someone else. They are creating products of others designs and inventions and 'create' their own products in this way. Thats what I do not like.
And for the rest, I wont talk political opinions here. :cool:
While there are plenty of cheap knockoffs on the market I do not let them detract from the quality products that Spyderco produces with their Asian vendors. I know Sal makes quality a priority, no matter where the knives come from. I love my 2 Tenacious and all my many Byrds.
So many knives, so few pockets... :)
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Last in: N5 Magnacut
The "Spirit" of the design does not come through unless used. -Sal
Hello Deacon,The Deacon wrote:Have you actually ever handled a Sage? Just curious because to me its fit and finish compare favorably to those of any liner lock model Spyderco has ever produced anywhere with the possible exception of the C22 CF Walker, and even that's arguable IMHO. Its materials are top quality as well. Just wondering what you find "low end" about it.
I have to admit the Sage is probably the one that isnt so bad to me, traded it though.
ive handle the following
S
Q
Tenacious
Sage
& the Salsa
+1 "Knock-offs are always an issue for companies known for high quality goods. There is always some turd out there hoping to make a buck off of others' designs, not all of them are from China. There are "American" companies that buy/distribute this junk." (Araneae)
To add, anyone here remember how distinct Japanese cars use to look compared to American cars? Now days there are American cars that look remarkably like Japanese models. In the late 70's early 80's business schools were agressively studying how American car companies were forced to study Japanese companies and emulate their management, production and even designs, in order to compete. Who's copying who? Jay Leno even quipped about Americans producing "knock-off" of Japanese cars. Producing knock-offs may not be kosher, but I don't think its fair to think that the U.S. is above all that either.
+1 "Without getting into politics... Taiwan and China are NOT one in the same." (Hickster)
Yup, the Chinese food in Taiwan is far better in than in China, at least when I visited, especially the pork noodle soup. But I hear China has really moved up the ladder since I was there :)
To add, anyone here remember how distinct Japanese cars use to look compared to American cars? Now days there are American cars that look remarkably like Japanese models. In the late 70's early 80's business schools were agressively studying how American car companies were forced to study Japanese companies and emulate their management, production and even designs, in order to compete. Who's copying who? Jay Leno even quipped about Americans producing "knock-off" of Japanese cars. Producing knock-offs may not be kosher, but I don't think its fair to think that the U.S. is above all that either.
+1 "Without getting into politics... Taiwan and China are NOT one in the same." (Hickster)
Yup, the Chinese food in Taiwan is far better in than in China, at least when I visited, especially the pork noodle soup. But I hear China has really moved up the ladder since I was there :)