Big Dog - Manix and a fair price

[Shagnasty]

So Im looking for a full size manix in black g-10 with s30V, and plain edge. Yeah, I know "join the club" seems everyone wants one of these. Hate to rant, but whats with these guys that buy up all these knives, so nobody else has a chance to buy them, and then they try to re-sell them on the boards and feebay for 2 or 3 times the price? Or how bout this....buying a second and only mentioning it in very small print, so unless you read the listing very carefully, you think your getting a new knife. You can see the notch in the pics.
So my question for you guys is this....Whats a fair price to pay for the manix I want? Obviously, these are "discontinued", but give me reading on whats a fair price. Im sure there are experts here who can weigh in. Thanks again....Larry

[The Deacon]

Easy one first - people who are less than totally up-front about identifying seconds they are selling as such fall into two categories. A few are ignorant, were taken in themselves, and honestly have no clue that what they're selling is a second. The rest are scum and should have their hands cut off, preferably with a dull blade. Problem sometimes is telling them apart, at least when they don't have a return address within 100 miles of Golden.

As for prices of the Manix, and discontinued models in general. Would you prefer if they'd all wound up in the hands of folks so enamoured with them that they'd not be for sale at any price? Timing is everything in life. With extremely rare exceptions, there has been a point in each regular Spyderco model's life cycle where, shortly after being discontinued, it could be found at bargain prices. Then, as supplies dry up, the price increases, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot. And, as with most other things, some folks see knife collecting as a hobby, while others find enjoyment by "playing the knife market". Room in the world for both, IMHO.

Defining "fair" prices is a very subjective thing, but to me it's a price where neither the buyer nor the seller feels cheated. An old buddy of mine, who had gypsy blood, flipped that the other way around, that a "fair" price was when both the buyer and the seller believed they'd cheated each other. Assuming you are correct and right now Manixes are fetching between $XXX and $YYY, and assuming I had one, why should I sell it to you for less?

If I was looking for a knife to use, my personal limit would normally be whatever MSRP had been. In the case of the Manix, I'd bet there are still a few brick and mortars with one for sale at that price.

[Bluntrauma]

a "fair" price was when both the buyer and the seller believed they'd cheated each other.

That's rich. I might have to pass those pearls of wisdom on someday. Hope you don't mind if I borrow that line. That made my morning! :)

[Pancho]

I too, would like to have a G-10 Manix, plain edge, and I've bee trying to decide what I'm willing to pay for it. Can anyone recall what the MSRP was for these when they were available?

[The Deacon]

That's rich. I might have to pass those pearls of wisdom on someday. Hope you don't mind if I borrow that line. That made my morning! :)

Be my guest. Pleasant memories of good times with its author brightened up mine.

I too, would like to have a G-10 Manix, plain edge, and I've bee trying to decide what I'm willing to pay for it. Can anyone recall what the MSRP was for these when they were available?

I'd say it had to have been close to that of the recent green Sprint Run version. Don't recall that either, but based on what some dealers sold those for, I'd guess around $190 to $200, although one dealer that still has them is asking $225 for them.

[Manix Guy 2]

I would follow the advice of Deacon , going over MRSP really makes no sense to me for a fairly new model . They are still available if you snoop around , MRSP is around $225 . MG2

[FLYBYU44]

I was looking at orange UKPK's on ebay and there was one there that still hadn't been bid up and was around $40 so I looked at it. At the very bottom of the page the seller mentioned that it was a second. Seems like some people went to the factory sale to turn a profit, I somehow doubt he paid more then $40 for it in the first place

[thefly01]

Yeah capitalism is just so unfair! :rolleyes:

[Sam Vimes]

At the very bottom of the page the seller mentioned that it was a second. Seems like some people went to the factory sale to turn a profit, I somehow doubt he paid more then $40 for it in the first place

There were quite a few that appeared on eBay within a couple of days of the factory sale. It's something that I find a little distasteful but that's life. I can't knock anyone for doing it but wouldn't be able to do it myself. I'll never be a millionaire though! :D

[The Deacon]

Yeah capitalism is just so unfair! :rolleyes:

Capitalism is fine. False advertising is not, and, perhaps to a slightly lesser degree, neither is disengenuous advertising.

I have enough faith in the Spyderco crew to be sure that nobody who buys a knife at the Factory Sale is unaware that it is a second. I'm sure they are made aware that being a second means it has some defect, no matter whether they can spot it or not and, more importantly, that the knife carries no warranty. In my opinion, a cryptic reference in an auction listing to a knife being a second, with no warning of what that implies, is somewhat less than honest. It's better than not mentioning it all, and probably enough to raise the appropriate caution flags for those who frequent these forums, but still deceitful enough to rope in the less knowledgeable.

[thefly01]

I couldn't agree with you more Paul when it comes to someone hiding the fact that a knife is a second.

[cpc63]

Prices from the seconds sale:

Foliage Green Manix PE $40, tag said something was wrong with the G-10, can't tell what.
Endura G-10 $40 looks perfect
UK Pen Knife Green or Orange $20 they all looked perfect



Recently picked up a NIB Manix CE for $125, don't see many PEs around.

[Shagnasty]

Soooo cutting thru the philosphical haze,(see what I did there) we've arrived at a fairly agreed to point. That it would be reasonable to find a manix of the described persuasion for the MSRP. Thanks guys for contributing your input. Where would you suggest is a reputable place to look? Thanks again...

BTW....Capitalism is not misleading your "customers" because IMHO you can only shear that sheep one time. Those people dont last very long, especially in a "market" where more and more, everyone's money is tight and everyone wants to get the most out of every dollar.

-Larry

[RIOT]

my only 2nd is the first Spyderco i bought off of ebay, it was a original R which i love still even though its a 2nd, i cant see anything wrong with it at all btw, i posted it right away as my first post here, not knowing what a 2nd was, someone pointed it out, think it was Deacon and someone also pointed me to his site to read more about it and what a 2nd really is, killed my high about the knife i just bought but i got over it and still love it, had a couple of chances to get another one that isnt a 2nd but i always passed, the one i have is fine.

[ozspyder]

I believe the Manix released in 2004 had a MSRP of $199.95

If you can get one for around that price today then you are doing quite well, considering that this knife has a bit of a cult following especially over the last year or two. I have one and have not used it as yet, but intend to do so when I go fishing or bushbashing next....well, either that one or the FG one :p

Buying seconds from Spyderco and on-selling them I see no problem in that. However falsely advertising them or hiding the finer details in the body without making it expressly clear to a bidder is IMHO not very nice at all. Wonder how these people sleep at night. I have a few knives that I have bought NIB but later sold off. When I see a defect in the knife I clearly point it out and sell it off at a much reduced price, cos it's just not fair. Who cares if I paid full price for it, I'm not about to sucker someone else just because I either got duped or was sold something because the original seller was ignorant or wasn't as particular about his stuff.

A fair price would be something matching Paul's gypsy description. And more pracctically it would be something that you can glean from current sales of said item on eBay or elsewhere. Get an average sale price from forums and eBay, and I bet it'll fall somewhere close, depending on current demand of course.

[zpyder]

I bought a slightly used one second hand for $80 a few days ago (still has to arrive though)
I was looking for one for a few moths now (best to look for example on a benchm. or a multitool forum for a good price for a Spyd.).

[Shagnasty]

I have a full size manix on the way. Plain edge "like new in box", with black g-10 scales. The previous owner replaced a screw with one he ordered from the company, the problem is it was from a mini manix, so the head is different than it should be. I may get a new screw that matches, but Im waiting to see what it looks like. Do you guys take yours apart for cleaning etc. Just wondering if theres anything I should know if I take it apart. Any pics or tutorial on it? Price I paid was 150.

Larry

[wescobts]

Supply and demand, it sucks when they have you over a barrel. So just wait until Spyderco builds another knife that you feel falls into the status of the Manix or ATR or whatever. Then turn around is fair play, the view is much different. Have you ever thought of trading ? There has got to be something they want that you have or could get ?

[Shagnasty]

Actually I think 150 was a fair price, so said it was low for that manix. Hopefully I can get the screw without too many problems.
Larry

[rlw1979777]

I can't understand when some try to manipulate pictures and such to make it look like it is not a second and then push for fair value price as if it is mint. That is not right, and those people wont last long as someone put it earlier in this thread. Those type of people give the reputable sellers a bad name.

Now for capitalism.. I see nothing wrong with "Flipping" knives or anything else for that matter. It can actually be hard work, hunting for good prices and trying to make a buck or two. Some just use Feebay to be able to resell so they can find a knife that actually fits right with how they use it. Either way I think is the ideal of capitalism. Think of the stock market. Buy low, sell high..

"The price of anything can be determined only by what someone is willing to pay for it."

King Louis 5th.. I think..