Schempp Khukuri; is it shipping?

[catamount]

I noticed it's up on the SFO site:

http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=368

[Shenmue728]

I sure hope thats what it means!

[Piercieve]

I still dont understand the grinds being so far up the blades in these knives. Just a half inch or less additional edge on either the barong or khukri would make the knife IMO

[Bolster]

I still dont understand the grinds being so far up the blades in these knives. Just a half inch or less additional edge on either the barong or khukri would make the knife IMO

That puzzles me also. Maybe Ed will chime in.

[mark greenman]

I checked out the Barong, it only has 3" of cuting edge :confused:

I'm definitley snagging the Khurkuri though, looks like a baby G10 Ayoob!

[Brad S.]

The cutting edge allows you to choke up on the blade and get really fine control that could normally only had from a very small knife. Also, being that both knives are great for SD, it gives you a much larger safety margin. I think you will all be plesantly suprised when you hold one.


Although I as well would like to hear Eds thoughts.

[The Deacon]

I still dont understand the grinds being so far up the blades in these knives. Just a half inch or less additional edge on either the barong or khukri would make the knife IMO

That puzzles me also. Maybe Ed will chime in.

Ed already did, at least in regard to the Barong, in this post.

I'd imagine someone like Tom Krein could extend the grind on both of them a bit. Just how far it could be extended would depend on where the stop pin contacts that tang when the knife is closed.

[Shenmue728]

I didnt understand the grind at first also but as i picture it in my hand i can imagine choking up real far as tricod said.

You can probably wrap your middle and ring finger around the blade and handle and have your pinky under the handle choild while resting your index finger on the spine or along the spine of the blade. that could lend some very precise control over the tip. this make sense to anyone without pics in hand?

I am really excited about this design and hope i can snag one up. Did we find out if its shipping yet?

[Bolster]

Ed already did, at least in regard to the Barong, in this post. .

Thanks Deacon. So it appears that even though Ed would have liked a bit more edge on the Barong, it was basically designed for "choking up" on the blade.

I guess it is another of the "bigger handle, smaller blade" genre, which is popular. If I'm carrying a small blade, I want a small handle. I don't feel I need a large amount of handle sticking out from my fist as ballast. BUT, to each his own.

[Ed Schempp]

Practically every knife that I design has an index finger groove at the front of the handle/back of the blade. Most of the time the design will dictate whether or not I might be prone to putting my middle finger in this index finger groove with my index finger on top of the blade. If that be the case I will make that area larger or smaller depending on the potential of use of that grip.

The Barong would have benefited from being ground further back and the prototype was ground with a longer edge. The only revision on the third prototype was to angle the plunge grind. The problem was that they started the grind from the same place as the perpendicular grind of the third proto.

Most of my knives have multiple grip positions. If you stay behind the index finger groove with your grip you will have and effective blade length well beyond the legal measurement of tip to the handle. This optimizes the reach of the blade for what will fit into the handle. I have found that I'm not sacrificing much edge for having three comfortable grip positions. That is the way I use a knife and I design to my effective long term and safe use.

Yes, the Khukuri has arrived and I'm expecting my model any day. Those that like the negative blade angle will be most accepting of this design. It is a very effective pull cutting tool. This design came after 5 different prototypes that I made. The first prototype looked much like a model that has been recently released by another cutlery company. There were use, carry and deployment problems with the design. The following prototypes of the design were all large folders with about 4" blades. This was the smallest of all the prototypes, and will be legal carry in most jurisdictions. Enjoy the designs...Take Care...Ed

[HKinDC]

The Khukuris are really spectacular. I like these a lot as an easy to carry EDC. The cutting edge is exactly 2.8" as a straight line from start to tip. As soon as we get past the initial supply bottleneck, I am going to carry one of these myself.

[kbuzbee]

...If you stay behind the index finger groove with your grip you will have and effective blade length well beyond the legal measurement of tip to the handle.

This raises a question I've always wondered. When you are talking LEGAL blade length, where do you measure it from?? I would think it SHOULD mean the cutting edge.

But does it really mean from the end of the handle?? Or from the pivot? Or from the back of the tang??? A knife like the Barong or the Khukuri would register as a MUCH longer blade if the measure is anything other than the edge.

I understand regulations can be made to say anything but I assume there are general standards??

Thanks!

Ken

(by the way, Ed, the Khukuri is really growing on me, the advantage of that grip are working their way into my subconscious

[PSU]

This raises a question I've always wondered. When you are talking LEGAL blade length, where do you measure it from?? I would think it SHOULD mean the cutting edge.

But does it really mean from the end of the handle?? Or from the pivot? Or from the back of the tang??? A knife like the Barong or the Khukuri would register as a MUCH longer blade if the measure is anything other than the edge.

I understand regulations can be made to say anything but I assume there are general standards??

Generally, a legal blade length corresponds to just that, the length of the blade length from its tip to the front of the handle. It has nothing to do with the length of the cutting edge. For instance, in <3" jurisdictions the khukuri would be illegal with its 3 7/16" blade, regardless of its 2 5/8" cutting edge.

[Gollum]

KnifeCenter has them in. Look at their picture of actual knife, just like the Barong, the grind is different so you have a little more cutting edge.

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store ... =SP125GPFG

[Bolster]

Generally, a legal blade length corresponds to just that, the length of the blade length from its tip to the front of the handle. It has nothing to do with the length of the cutting edge. For instance, in <3" jurisdictions the khukuri would be illegal with its 3 7/16" blade, regardless of its 2 5/8" cutting edge.

That sounds right. I would add, as a rule of thumb, that the longest possible measurement is probably what the prosecuting attorney will use against you in court. That could be as long as blade tip to pivot.

If the media gets involved, they may measure the blade length to include the handle, much as they are always showing semi-autos used in a crime and calling them "full automatic."

[Phalanx7.62]

No Cho on the Khuk? :D

[kbuzbee]

No Cho on the Khuk? :D

There looks to be a small one but nothing like a Dodo or a Phoenix....

Ken

[kbuzbee]

That sounds right. I would add, as a rule of thumb, that the longest possible measurement is probably what the prosecuting attorney will use against you in court. That could be as long as blade tip to pivot.

If the media gets involved, they may measure the blade length to include the handle, much as they are always showing semi-autos used in a crime and calling them "full automatic."

I'm sure you guys are right. It just doesn't make much sense. I mean who cares if you have 12" of "blade" if there's only 1/2" sharpened at the end??

But then, my goals (carrying as many useful tools as I can :D ) and their goals (stopping hardened criminals like ME:eek :) are completely at odds with each other. Sounds like my Ladybug wouldn't even be legal in Germany (I suppose we have THAT to look forward to here real soon:eek :) so I should be happy while I can still carry my Lil'Temp here.

Of course, being on the older side, "out" to me, these days, is a trip to the grocery :rolleyes: so I doubt I'd have any problems even if I had a baby Glock in my pocket, but it's good to know where you stand.

Thanks for the input.

Ken

[rkh]

I ordered a Ed Schempp Spyderco Khukuri folder last night after reading this topic on it. I got an email from the KnifeCenter that it is shipping today! I am really excited about this knife. I gotta quit coming to the Spyderco Forums because I ordered a new Spyderco nearly every time. I must say Spyderco knives are exceptional knives. Spyderco defines ergonomics in my opinion as their knives fit my hand better than any knife on the market plus they are always trying to find new and better steels. I think VG10 is the best steel on the market for such a reasonable price. I believe Spyderco should receive a lot of recognition for what they are doing.

RKH

[Ed Schempp]

I received Khukuri from Spyderco a couple of days ago. I've only had my Barong for a couple of weeks so now I've been carrying the Khukuri inside my waist band of my jeans and the Barong in my RFP. I rarely carry any other designs than my own. I've carried the Stretch and the Salt and like both knives very much and depending on what I'm doing that day these knives find their way into my pocket.

In the process of interpreting a design, I try to incorporate distinguishing features of the project piece into a folder. Because this piece was inspired by a large knife and adapted to a folder, function has changed. The original prototype design had the traditional flared handle of the Khukuri. The flare proved to be a problem in the folder design; it was uncomfortable having these "points" poke me every time I bent over. They proved to be a problem in transitioning the knife from forward to reverse grip. For these reasons I opted for the grip I designed to optimize the use of the Khukuri shaped blade.

I had made a smaller version of this knife some time ago and it was published from several sources. I got more calls for this piece than any other knife that I've had published; mainly from LEOs. This piece falls right in between the Delica and the Endura for size.

Because of the blade angle the knife falls into the Karambit category. The negative angle gives this blade purchase without the tendancy to hook or embed like a hawk bill blade generally found on Karambits. It is a powerful slashing knife.

I hope this give you a better understanding of the design...Take Care...Ed