I miss the light weight knives Spyderco used to make.

[bh49]

Weight of the knife never was a concern for me, usually I carry 2-3, one of them C-83 Persian.
Stronger pants are a good idea, but I used to carry Persian and Caly3 in gym short. I choose my knives for design, not for weight. I like knives with full liners, G10, micarta, wood.

[tap]

Reality check time. On my scale an FRN Native in 440V weighs 76 grams and a BladeForums G-10 Native in 440V weighs 94 grams. Even allowing a gram or two for the blue paint on the BF Native's clip, thats a 20% increase for an unlined G-10 handle.

Yep, Stick with FRN for light weight. And if we want screw construction and 4 way clips then it needs steel liners. We want the liners nested otherwise things start getting thicker and heavier. It is easy to nest the steel liner in FRN because the nest is made when the handle is made. Other materials make a nest impractical or much more difficult. Therefore we have the D/E4 in FRN. We just need a C4. That would be smaller than the D4.

[Jeff Tanner]

I confess, I like the more robust feel of the newer Spyders. If you are using them for working knives the extra stiffness and strength can be more confidence inspiring. I don't particularly mind the added heft. When you spend your working days lifting and carrying heavy materials about, and wearing a construction pouch full of everything under the sun, I guess you tend not to notice a few extra ounces here or there.

[The Mastiff]

I can make do with the E4/D4 linered knives extra weight or not. In fact I prefer them. What bothers me more is the trend to costlier knives with carbon fibre when G10 or FRN would do. I buy a lot less knives when they are carbon fibred than when they are not.

Byrd knives and the tenacious are not attractive options for me on a personal level. Joe

[mongatu]

Totally agree with that last comment. One thing I really appreciate about Spyderco is that they have made the finest, relatively exotic steels available in simple, relatively cheap FRN handled knives, so that poor people like me can experience them. And also because they are so lightweight.

[SimpleIsGood229]

:spyder: I often carry a chinook in one pocket and a baby manix in the other so this thread cracks me up. Y'all need some stronger pants! :p :spyder:

I've been known to carry a Big Manix in one pocket and a Mini in the other. ogh yeah: Leatherman Charge always on the belt. It's not inconsequential what a good, stiff belt can do. :)

[SimpleIsGood229]

:spyder: I often carry a chinook in one pocket and a baby manix in the other so this thread cracks me up. Y'all need some stronger pants! :p :spyder:

I've been known to carry a Big Manix in one pocket and a Mini in the other. ogh yeah: Leatherman Charge always on the belt. It's not inconsequential what a good, stiff belt can do. :)

To be fair, though, I do carry my Tasman and Pacific when doing things such as throwing a baseball or football.

[Fred Sanford]

I still think they make plenty of light weight knives. Personally I think 2008 is one of the best years for Spyderco. They have a ton of awesome knives in the lineup (not even counting the awesome sprints that may be coming). Great stuff.

You can never satisfy 100% of the customers, but they come pretty darn close I think. More than any other knife company.

[kgriggs8]

"You can never satisfy 100% of the customers, but they come pretty darn close I think. More than any other knife company."

That is the basic truth of the matter. My point is I want what I think I want. The fact is, I am never 100% happy with any knife. If I were, I would get rid of everything else and just buy that one "perfect" knife. It doesn't exist and I know it.

There is a reason it doesn't exist. What I want is a knife that weighs almost nothing but is as strong as a fixed blade. I want a knife that has all the best materials like carbon fiber, titanium and the best steel blade but I don't want to pay more than about $50 for it. I want a knife that is long enough to do any job but also shorth enough and small enough to dissapear in my pocket and never feel it.

I would be lying if I said I didn't want the above things. I know that it is not possible but we can dream. I guess what we have to do is pick the things that matter most and give up some things that don't matter as much.

For me, Spyderco means light and strong. The D-3 is the knife that really made me a Spyderco fan. The essence of Spyderco to me is a lot of knife in a small package. Less is more. The finished product adds up to more than the sum of it's parts.

There a bunch of companies that make good knives. Benchmade, Kershaw, Al Mar, Emerson, Strider ect. None of them ever made a knife that was as good as the Delica 3 for the same price, size and weight. You wouldn't think it would be so hard and clearly the Delica showed there was a market for this type of knife.

[Zozo*HC*]

If i have to save 20-40g on a knife i will leave my keys, phone or pants at home :D 50 or 70g?? I dont care :D Size is a more important factor for me!

[redback]

I carry a Salt everywhere (no rust despite no maintenance), but if I go places where zombie hordes are known to roam, I pack a Rukus (huge — great for my big hands, and very fast to deploy).

[jaislandboy]

Posts #17 by TheDeacon and post #22 by Tap are eyeopening to me....now that explains why the new FFG foliage green E4/D4 have liners that are Not nested.... another revelation I had was how similar FRN and G10 can feel, it all seems to depend on the Texture.....like tonight i'm fiddling around with my FRN and G10 plainedge byrd Robins (i took both clips off, to fully appreciate the difference in handle texture)...and in this scenario I actually prefer the way the FRN feels.....now in a bigger knife like the Tenacious (with G-10 texturing identical to that on the Robin imho), the G-10 feels "perfect" for the knife :rolleyes:
Then in a knife like the D'Allara Drop Point, the textured 3-d pattern on its FRN handles I wouldn't want changed either....it feels wonderful to me :p

"For me, Spyderco means light and strong. The D-3 is the knife that really made me a Spyderco fan. The essence of Spyderco to me is a lot of knife in a small package. Less is more. The finished product adds up to more than the sum of it's parts" - kgriggs8

this applies to me also, the "minimalistic approach" is why the D3 and SaltI will always be favorites to me.

[dete]

I was kind of surprised to see liners in the new knives,
my good ol Delica doesn't have any liners
and das the way we liked it :o

the new ones show lots of good quality,
I just like the old designs too, so yes I agree,
I miss the old "lighter built" knives.

[bma]

Count me in with the "I like my knives heavier" crowd - but it's relative to the size of the knife.

I returned my very first Spyderco (Dragonfly FRN SE) because it was too light. Replaced it with the SS model and was very happy.

I didn't have any issue with my Rescue 93mm, which was FRN but no liners. A much larger knife, though. :)

bma

[WOTANSON1]

My max weight on a knife is 4.5 oz. I don't think I own any Spyderco's over 4oz. In fact the only knife I do own over 4oz. is my SnG. Light weight is key, I have no time for a knife that feels like a rock in my pocket.
Cheers,
Rob

[jaislandboy]

the Military is another great example of :spyder: - minimalism which to me is a beautiful thing :cool:

[Fred Sanford]

"You can never satisfy 100% of the customers, but they come pretty darn close I think. More than any other knife company."

That is the basic truth of the matter. My point is I want what I think I want. The fact is, I am never 100% happy with any knife. If I were, I would get rid of everything else and just buy that one "perfect" knife. It doesn't exist and I know it....

Oh I agree to a point. For me though I have found my ONE perfect knife and it has been the Paramilitary. It has been off and on for a while and I just figured that since I keep going back to it why not just use it all the time so that's what I do now. The Paramilitary is strong and light. Again, this is all "for me" because we all have different wants/views, etc.

It's all good bro. I know what you're saying though.

[i.v]

I also like my knives light and like others have said, it's what got me into Spyderco the first time.

My unlined FRN knives have really taken a lot of hard work and have never showed the slightest bit of fatigue.

Between my keys, phone, wallet and multi tool\SAK I'd rather keep my EDC knife as lightweight as possible.

[clovisc]

[quote="The Deacon"]The Delica III and Endura III live on as the Salt I and Pacific Salt. Between them, the Dragonfly, Native and Native III, 93mm and 79mm Rescue, and the Atlantic and Saver Salts, there seem to be a fair amount of unlined FRN models in the lineup. Add to that the black and burgundy versions of the ZDP Calypso Jr. and the Jess Horn Lightweight, all of which can be found easily and I think it's a bit premature to break out the crying towel and lament the demise of the lightweights.
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heh, heh... have to agree, i was thinking the exact same thing after i saw the thread... :D :rolleyes:

i appreciate the range of weights offered by spyderco. if you want light, strong, and tough... try a CF mili.

[bladese97]

:spyder: :spyder: :cool: :spyder: :spyder: I have the same opinion as Deacon, and a few other Spyderminds here; I was going to sugjest the Salt series, because they seem, in weight, design, and everlastingness, just like the 3rd generation D, and E's :spyder: And, I also don't really notice a difference in carry either; I mean, there's an obvious diff' between a frn Endura, a apposed to a beast like the Manix, or Chinook, but they all carry quite perfect in pocket for me :D I wouldn't wear a Manix, or Chinook, while wearing trunks because, nobody wants their "junk to fall out of their trunk" :eek: :eek: Ya....It happened to me, but I was home, so...... :o