"Tenacious" model

[GMArthur]

I agree with most saying that it is sad but inevitable. I'll still buy Spyderco knives, but only USA made ones. I can't help it. My tool box has all Craftsman handtools in it. My car was made in a factory about 2 hours from where I live. It's just the way I am.

[anthonyc]

no chinese made knives for me, which is why i havent purchased any byrds

[jon shannow]

i can understand the reasons and was more than happy with the taiwan salsas
the 2 i have a great little knives and well made

although i am not a fan of the steel the tenacious looks great and i will still get one also given the price how can i go wrong

one other thing is having the owner of a company come on a forum and explain the reasons shows what kind of company spyderco are and in my book goes a long way

[Croaker]

I gonna have one too :)

[picobrain]

I like the design.

Maybe we should have Jack Black do the TV commercial...



peace

[Lostification]

The ONLY thing that has kept me from the Byrd line in fact was the funny Byrd hole itself and the chinese steel with the creepy name. :o Finally we get the Byrd hole, but the same strange steel. Anybody who knows a thing or two about knife steel is gonna be confused about a 10 letter named steel coming from China. But, what's done is done.

I'd say get rid of the ~"Byrd"~ name, put regular round holes in em and stamp the name of the city it is made in like the rest of Spyderco's. That's just me though.



Sal, I think you are unnecessarily confusing potential customers. They either are or they aren't Spyderco's. It's quite frustrating. Byrd's knives are Spyderco designed and manufactured in China under another name brand, but up to Spyderco standards, but aren't Spydercos.... necessarily.... DUH...

Come on now... Who are you tryin to fool? I'd like to see three different types of Spyderco's. You know how Asian folks dig things that come in 3's. :D


Golden, Colorado knives ~
Made in the USA, assurance that it's American made for us patriotic folk.
The most modern high quality materials and construction.
A little too expensive for the average Joe, but more than envied by us knife nuts.

Seki City, Japan knives ~
Made in Japan, land of high tech precision and electronics.
Same high quality with more economic construction for those who don't care for leather seats.
Price is right for person who appreciates solid materials and wants to spend the right amount of money for a good knife that will last. Lots of bang for the buck.

I'd like to see Delica's and Endura's at Walmart, but whatever.

China knives ~
Made in China, like the rest of the things we regularly buy >.>
Some may not support it, but the friendly price would definately attract lots of new buyers to the Spyderco who will be shown the option of upgrading. XD
They are cheap, cool lookin, and they cut. Point? Good starter.

[Vincent]

That has got to be the best thing I have ever seen you post.
Well said!

well that you JD that means a lot.

[araneae]

Anybody who knows a thing or two about knife steel is gonna be confused about a 10 letter named steel coming from China. But, what's done is done.

8Cr13MoV comes from the elemental composition of the steel. Its not just a random jumble meant to be confusing.

They either are or they aren't Spyderco's.

Byrds are not Spydercos, they are Byrds. The Byrd line packages state that they are designed and distributed by Spyderco, but they are a distinct line. That's how I see it anyhow.

Come on now... Who are you tryin to fool?

I'm pretty sure Sal's not trying to fool anyone. If the knife says Spyderco, even if it's made in China we will expect it will hold to a higher standard above & beyond the Byrd line. The Byrd line has shown that the Chinese can produce a decent knife. But, can they make a great knife? The Tenacious should push the boundaries of Chinese quality and I am anxious to see how they did.

[Derkomai]

Hello everyone, it has been a while since I have posted something (although I am checking the forum on a daily base), but I saw so many posts about one :spyder: model, I just had to say something (with my big …). :eek:

I can fully understand the reason behind this all and I have to say, as I have stated in an earlier post: USA, Japan, Taiwan, Europe or … China, if the quality is good ( :spyder: or Byrd good that is), it is okay with me. If it’s good, buy it, if it’s not, don’t! :cool:

Others said it before, the Japanese used to make lousy quality, now they are fantastic, the Taiwanese took over the stick from the Japanese, and now it is the Chinese turn. With Sal and the team leading them, I have no reason to worry. And if in any event it would go wrong … You can (and have to) learn from your mistakes and come back stronger (and hope the damage done is not to tenaci… no, this one is to bad to finish, :o sorry for this awful attempt to be funny in English). :D

And for those who (with good reason BTW) have a problem with the human rights situation in China: next time when you fill up your gas tank, be glad gasoline does not say “made in Iran” or “made in Saudi Arabia”, countries with horrible human rights situations to.

For people in the western world it is nearly impossible to buy only things from our own country. We buy and use products from countries with a bad human rights history every day, and probably do not think about it a lot or loose any sleep over it at night.

So if my sardines come from North Africa, my gasoline from the Middle East, my palm oil, flowers and beef from Africa, my bananas, soy beans and coffee from Latin America, my natural gas from Russia and my tropical hardwood and rice from Southeast Asia, then I have little problems with my high quality top of the line :spyder: pocket knife coming from mainland China.

However, I would like to add: just my humble opinion, so do not be offended by the above.

I hope things work out for Sal and the rest of the :spyder: crew. And if they do, it’s good for us to.

Jorne

[Nickyd]

This Red China model :spyder: seems to be such good value it would be impolite :rolleyes: NOT to order one. I have, therefore, done so.

I hope this all works out for the Spyderco team-I fear that it's 'a sign of the times'.

[Manix Guy 2]

Thanks Tank for your support , only makes sense to me for a lefty version . MG2

[224477]

Hi Manixguy2,

You think if we made a left hand model, maybe with a bolster and wood scales, we could get Paul interested?

It's not out of the question. Depends on the reaction to the model.

sal

Sal, and dont forget to add damasteel blade

[jag-engr]

While I understand that the market may have pushed this, I still don't really agree with it. Sal you have been a Industry leader for decades and I hope you will continue to do so. It is very easy to look at the incoming profits over your customer base, such as BM. Gerber and others. I just hope that you keep the integrity that we all know you for. Sometimes, money can take over our moral judgment, it happens to everybody.

Vincent,

Has it occurred to you that Mr. Glesser is considering his employees? You're talking about how his "moral judgment" affects you, but I'm sure Mr. Glesser feels a "moral obligation" to keep his company profitable for the sake of his employees and customers. He's running a business.

It's not as if he were slapping his company's name on subpar products to try to sell them as something else to an unsuspecting customer base.

[clovisc]

here's my rant on the subject... if it's too long to read, my overall conclusion is that i welcome and applaud the change, providing it strengthens spyderco as a company, and builds a better foundation for american-and-seki-made knives...

http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31498

i'm looking forwards to some new byrds and spydies! every G10 byrd is now a must-have for me. the quality of my G10 flight is amazing... :D

[A.P.F.]

...i'm looking forwards to some new byrds and spydies! every G10 byrd is now a must-have for me. the quality of my G10 flight is amazing... :D

I agree, Clovisc, the quality of the Byrds is only getting better and I will be expanding my 'flock' substantially this year.

[clovisc]

just saw that spydieguys have lots of tenacious-es on the 'bay, although IMHO, prices are a little too close to MSRP to merit an early purchase.

(BTW this is NOT an advertisement; i figure, why pay the extra cash instead of waiting an extra week or two?)

wonder how long it will be until more dealers have them, and are selling them at more competitive prices?

[aj1985]

just saw that spydieguys have lots of tenacious-es on the 'bay, although IMHO, prices are a little too close to MSRP to merit an early purchase.

(BTW this is NOT an advertisement; i figure, why pay the extra cash instead of waiting an extra week or two?)

wonder how long it will be until more dealers have them, and are selling them at more competitive prices?

I agree it's a wicked knife. I can wait though, because the hype will die down and so will the price.

aj

[Bolster]

I'm disappointed. I understand the reasons for it, and I suppose market forces are forcing Sal's hand, but I won't be buying the Tenacious or any China-made Spydercos (or any other knife made in China).

I'm one of those who is willing to pay more, for a knife to be made in some other country besides China.

I'm on a quest to get as many China-made tools out of my tool chest as possible (they tend to break, or wear out much earlier than the others) and my knife collection is 100% China-free.

The timing is not good for Spyderco, either...wages in China are rising sharply and the cost savings to be had from Chinese products are rapidly evaporating. A couple years ago, Chinese products were a real bargain...not as much now, and less with each coming month, as standards of living are dramatically improving for the Chinese.

[jaislandboy]

I'm disappointed. I understand the reasons for it, and I suppose market forces are forcing Sal's hand, but I won't be buying the Tenacious or any China-made Spydercos (or any other knife made in China).

I'm one of those who is willing to pay more, for a knife to be made in some other country besides China.

I'm on a quest to get as many China-made tools out of my tool chest as possible (they tend to break, or wear out much earlier than the others) and my knife collection is 100% China-free.

The timing is not good for Spyderco, either...wages in China are rising sharply and the cost savings to be had from Chinese products are rapidly evaporating. A couple years ago, Chinese products were a real bargain...not as much now, and less with each coming month.

So the big question I have for you Bolstermanic, after re-reading this thread you posted:
http://spyderco.com/forums/showthread.p ... ight=fenix
are you gonna get rid of all your Fenix flashlights to make your flashlight collection China-free as well? Is a knife or product made in Taiwan acceptable for you to purchase?
To imply that ANY Chinese made knife is automatically "junk" or inferior to one that's made in America or Japan is ludicrous imo.
I've got Chinese made Byrds and Taiwanese made Spydercos, Kabars, Bladetechs that are of better quality than some of my Japanese made knives.
I'm not trying to start an argument with you, as how you choose to spend your money is (obviously) your business and prerogative :)
I was just curious as to where you draw the line when it comes to purchasing goods that are made in China :confused:

[ozspyder]

I thought this discussion came to a conclusion much earlier.... ???

To me, as long as the design, fit and finish, and quality of the product is good (or in Spyderco's case ...great :) ), then I will buy it. Regardless of where the product is made I think you buy something for its intended purpose. Knives for collecting or using is not an exception unless of course you ONLY collect USA made Spydies with leaf shaped blades of 3" or less in length.... etc.

As per earlier conversations you buy cars designed in one country, made in another country, and sold in many other countries..... It is a personal decision I do understand, and in some cases a moral one (with respect to underpaid sweatshops etc....).

I WILL be getting a Tenacious because I like the design. And with it being a bit more on the 'affordable' side I might even get two of them :D It is after all still a Spyderco, and it had to have gone through the Spyderco Quality Assurance Program (of which we all belong ) and thus I have no hesitation in buying one. If it turns out the first batch of Tenacious models are a complete failure, then I am certain that Sal will not stand for it, and thus it will be canned or improved in the next iteration.

I have many products made in China, Taiwan, Indonesia, USA, Germany, Sth Africa, Australia , etc... etc.... I buy the product for it's purposes, and I can guarantee you that 90% of the population do the same without even having a look at the country of manufacture on the sticker at the back of their DVD players.

A Spydie is still a Spydie even if it is the red-headed stepchild (read: Native BRK :O).

Cheers
Dan