Clay,
You say you never carry the maglight during the day. Why? I always have at least one flashlight on me as well as the microlights on my key chain (red for night vision and clear for color discernment. I'm a lighting videographer; these come in handy checking settings on the camera or serching for gear in the bottom of the run bag). What if you don't get a chance to go home before dark? Don't you ever need to find something in the back corner of a closet, under a piece of furniture or equipment?
I always have a MiniMag or Craftsman (push button on the barrel just behind the lens housing) in my weak-side hip pocket. Having a flashlight on you at all times is not only defensible, it's a good idea.
later,
wayfarer
Edited by - wayfarer on 12/7/2001 9:51:31 AM
Kubotan help!!!
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Wayfarer,
You're right of course. I actually do always carry a flashlight, but it's a Photon on my keyring along with a Mini Fox 40 whistle and a Leatherman Micra. It's just that I haven't yet worked out a way to comfortably carry the MiniMaglite. Weak side hip next to the wallet sounds as though it would work.
Thanks for all the good advice.
Clay
"The trouble is that you think you have time."
You're right of course. I actually do always carry a flashlight, but it's a Photon on my keyring along with a Mini Fox 40 whistle and a Leatherman Micra. It's just that I haven't yet worked out a way to comfortably carry the MiniMaglite. Weak side hip next to the wallet sounds as though it would work.
Thanks for all the good advice.
Clay
"The trouble is that you think you have time."
Clay: Steve Drayton is moving from UK back to OZ in March...just outside of Syndey..
He's a CSSD/SC-Gunting instructor..
and hes bringing DRONES to home..
hes @ blue.roo@ntlworld.com
You could play with him..
Yes hes gonna have access to Gunting-Olisi Palids..but if its as you describe. all things might not be legal for any self defense..
Beter not carry cane masters..they are specifically for selfdefense and to hurt the opponent so by the rules and definitions you stated the decriptions and ads will or can be used against you..
get a pig cane instead...
its cheaper, stronger and obvioulsy a walkig or working cane not a self-defense tool..
If Kubatons are illegal, they are in many spots here as well..specifically named by the way..
then you're in one of those fuzzy warm OZZY spots..
take care of your safety foirst mate..
to **** with the blokes in power..
ROFL..
see ya!
He's a CSSD/SC-Gunting instructor..
and hes bringing DRONES to home..
hes @ blue.roo@ntlworld.com
You could play with him..
Yes hes gonna have access to Gunting-Olisi Palids..but if its as you describe. all things might not be legal for any self defense..
Beter not carry cane masters..they are specifically for selfdefense and to hurt the opponent so by the rules and definitions you stated the decriptions and ads will or can be used against you..
get a pig cane instead...
its cheaper, stronger and obvioulsy a walkig or working cane not a self-defense tool..
If Kubatons are illegal, they are in many spots here as well..specifically named by the way..
then you're in one of those fuzzy warm OZZY spots..
take care of your safety foirst mate..
to **** with the blokes in power..
ROFL..
see ya!
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Dear Clay:
Here's an idea...
Since you're already carrying a Leatherman Micra and can easily justify constant carry of a multi-tool, why not upgrade to one of their Sideclip models. It's only 4 inches long closed, but it could still serve as a very functional stainless steel Kubotan. The clip would allow quick access and very convenient carry. Although the time you would spend opening the tool to expose the pliers in a self-defense situation would probably be better spent vacating the area, if you were to get them out, you'd have a very formidable thrusting weapon and the capability for some truly evil pinching and crushing.
I know a couple of noted knife guys who have played extensively and very successfully with the idea of fighting with multi-tools. With a little practice and imagination, I'm confident you could satisfy your self-defense (and handyman) needs while gracefully sidestepping your legal restrictions.
As a side note, multi-tool cases are also an excellent camouflage for defensive folders. They attract less attention than knife cases or knives clipped to the pocket and can be used very effectively to carry serious blades in anal-retentive environments. When I was in the Army, I used to carry a Benchmade balisong in a multi-tool pouch while in uniform and never raised an eyebrow. Several of my private students work in very PC corporate environments where open carry of knives is frowned upon. In such situations, multi-tool pouches can provide a very useful and low-profile carry alternative.
Food for thought...
Stay safe,
mike j
Here's an idea...
Since you're already carrying a Leatherman Micra and can easily justify constant carry of a multi-tool, why not upgrade to one of their Sideclip models. It's only 4 inches long closed, but it could still serve as a very functional stainless steel Kubotan. The clip would allow quick access and very convenient carry. Although the time you would spend opening the tool to expose the pliers in a self-defense situation would probably be better spent vacating the area, if you were to get them out, you'd have a very formidable thrusting weapon and the capability for some truly evil pinching and crushing.
I know a couple of noted knife guys who have played extensively and very successfully with the idea of fighting with multi-tools. With a little practice and imagination, I'm confident you could satisfy your self-defense (and handyman) needs while gracefully sidestepping your legal restrictions.
As a side note, multi-tool cases are also an excellent camouflage for defensive folders. They attract less attention than knife cases or knives clipped to the pocket and can be used very effectively to carry serious blades in anal-retentive environments. When I was in the Army, I used to carry a Benchmade balisong in a multi-tool pouch while in uniform and never raised an eyebrow. Several of my private students work in very PC corporate environments where open carry of knives is frowned upon. In such situations, multi-tool pouches can provide a very useful and low-profile carry alternative.
Food for thought...
Stay safe,
mike j
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Bram,
Wow, that's great news. I'll contact Steve and organise something when he gets back here. That sort of makes my mind up, I won't do anything more until I've had a chance to work out with him.
I agreee with you comments about the cane. I have a heavy locally made cane which I reckon will serve the purpose. All I have to do is work out an alternative use for the drone/olisi palids. Perhaps the drone could be explained away as being specifically designed for making Vegemite sandwiches <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>.
Thanks again for all your help.
Clay
"The trouble is that you think you have time."
Wow, that's great news. I'll contact Steve and organise something when he gets back here. That sort of makes my mind up, I won't do anything more until I've had a chance to work out with him.
I agreee with you comments about the cane. I have a heavy locally made cane which I reckon will serve the purpose. All I have to do is work out an alternative use for the drone/olisi palids. Perhaps the drone could be explained away as being specifically designed for making Vegemite sandwiches <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>.
Thanks again for all your help.
Clay
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Mike,
Sorry you must have posted while I was replying to Bram and I missed it. I like the Sideclip idea. I've seen someone suggest carrying the Kershaw tool as a really savage fist load. It has the advantage that you don't need to open it. What I'd like to do is to develop some techniques that I can use with what ever is available whether it is a torch, a multi tool or the butt of whatever knife I'm carrying at the time. I've got a few ideas but I need to get some training.
Clay
"The trouble is that you think you have time."
Sorry you must have posted while I was replying to Bram and I missed it. I like the Sideclip idea. I've seen someone suggest carrying the Kershaw tool as a really savage fist load. It has the advantage that you don't need to open it. What I'd like to do is to develop some techniques that I can use with what ever is available whether it is a torch, a multi tool or the butt of whatever knife I'm carrying at the time. I've got a few ideas but I need to get some training.
Clay
"The trouble is that you think you have time."
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Steve,
Thanks mate, I did get your email. My apologies for not letting you know sooner. I'm very much looking forward to the chance to train with you. In the meantime I'm working out with Ted Truscott's cane video and I've just ordered a copy of Masaaki Hatsumi's "Stick Fighting." BTW have you been following the changes to the laws here and, if so, how do you think the Gunting will fit in? It seems the "test" for self-defence has been simplified but the carrying of weapons (specifically guns and knives) is still not allowed. I'm not sure how that affects other "weapons" which are not mentioned in the "prohibited weapons schedule."
Clay
"The trouble is that you think you have time."
Thanks mate, I did get your email. My apologies for not letting you know sooner. I'm very much looking forward to the chance to train with you. In the meantime I'm working out with Ted Truscott's cane video and I've just ordered a copy of Masaaki Hatsumi's "Stick Fighting." BTW have you been following the changes to the laws here and, if so, how do you think the Gunting will fit in? It seems the "test" for self-defence has been simplified but the carrying of weapons (specifically guns and knives) is still not allowed. I'm not sure how that affects other "weapons" which are not mentioned in the "prohibited weapons schedule."
Clay
"The trouble is that you think you have time."
Clay, as long as a weapon is not mentioned in the nsw prohibited weapons schedule, it would probably not be a crime to carry it unless they could fit it into one of the existing categories. However, the problem is that the nsw act is very tightly worded......i'm very interested in Mike's suggestion regarding using a multi tool for self defence. Mike, could you elaborate a bit more on that? Thanks.
Steve, i'm also interested in undertaking some gunting training upon your return to Australia. Btw, do you also teach weaponless self defence?The reason is that my job makes it very difficult to carry even a multitool on my person most of the time. I'm afraid that that in the event of any altercation, it would be hard to explain why i'm carrying something like a gunting drone or even a crimpt due to the fact that in Australia, ignorance of the law is not a defence.
Edited by - hy on 12/17/2001 6:01:37 AM
Steve, i'm also interested in undertaking some gunting training upon your return to Australia. Btw, do you also teach weaponless self defence?The reason is that my job makes it very difficult to carry even a multitool on my person most of the time. I'm afraid that that in the event of any altercation, it would be hard to explain why i'm carrying something like a gunting drone or even a crimpt due to the fact that in Australia, ignorance of the law is not a defence.
Edited by - hy on 12/17/2001 6:01:37 AM
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hy,
I'm not Mike, but I'll have a go at answering anyway. A multi-toll can be used as an impact weapon for hammerfist blows in the same way as a kubotan or koppo stick. A balisong can be used in a similar way but you know we can't carry one of them even if it was made by Spyderco <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>. A tool like the Gerber, which opens quickly would be an advantage, or the Kershaw as I mentioned previously, as this would make it longer and give a smaller impact area. BTW aren't lawyers allowed to carry torches? <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
I just reread Mike's post and I see that he also suggests the possibility of using the pliers for pinching and crushing. I just got the shivers thinking how much that could hurt a pinky.
See you this arvo.
Clay
"The trouble is that you think you have time."
Edited by - Clay Kesting on 12/17/2001 12:38:10 PM
I'm not Mike, but I'll have a go at answering anyway. A multi-toll can be used as an impact weapon for hammerfist blows in the same way as a kubotan or koppo stick. A balisong can be used in a similar way but you know we can't carry one of them even if it was made by Spyderco <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>. A tool like the Gerber, which opens quickly would be an advantage, or the Kershaw as I mentioned previously, as this would make it longer and give a smaller impact area. BTW aren't lawyers allowed to carry torches? <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
I just reread Mike's post and I see that he also suggests the possibility of using the pliers for pinching and crushing. I just got the shivers thinking how much that could hurt a pinky.
See you this arvo.
Clay
"The trouble is that you think you have time."
Edited by - Clay Kesting on 12/17/2001 12:38:10 PM
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Dear Clay:
Thanks for offering your thoughts on my behalf. I've been out of town for a few days so I'm a bit slow to reply. I really appreciate your support.
Hy, Clay is right on the money in his explanation of the basic uses of a multitool for self-defense. The simple way to look at it is holding something in your hand that provides a hard striking surface that won't feel pain like your hand does. Hammerfist and ridgehand strikes now become very powerful and the impact is focused on a very small area.
A bit more complicated technique is to grip the tool mostly with your fingers, wrap your thumb around a handy body part (like your opponent's wrist or fingers) and squeeze to apply pressure with the sides of the tool against nerve centers. (You'll see good examples of this in Hatsumi's book).
For quick-opening tools (my favorite was the Gerber, which I carried for years until someone "liberated" it), the jaws of the pliers provide either a crushing or puncturing surface and, with a little practice, can be manipulated to open slightly before a strike -- as often recommended with the balisong. Open the pliers slightly, make contact with the jaws on a soft fleshy area, then squeeze. Triceps and inner thighs work best and will quickly rid you of an attacker. In fact, done properly, he may even burn up on reentry into the atmosphere.
Hope this helps.
Stay safe,
mike j
Thanks for offering your thoughts on my behalf. I've been out of town for a few days so I'm a bit slow to reply. I really appreciate your support.
Hy, Clay is right on the money in his explanation of the basic uses of a multitool for self-defense. The simple way to look at it is holding something in your hand that provides a hard striking surface that won't feel pain like your hand does. Hammerfist and ridgehand strikes now become very powerful and the impact is focused on a very small area.
A bit more complicated technique is to grip the tool mostly with your fingers, wrap your thumb around a handy body part (like your opponent's wrist or fingers) and squeeze to apply pressure with the sides of the tool against nerve centers. (You'll see good examples of this in Hatsumi's book).
For quick-opening tools (my favorite was the Gerber, which I carried for years until someone "liberated" it), the jaws of the pliers provide either a crushing or puncturing surface and, with a little practice, can be manipulated to open slightly before a strike -- as often recommended with the balisong. Open the pliers slightly, make contact with the jaws on a soft fleshy area, then squeeze. Triceps and inner thighs work best and will quickly rid you of an attacker. In fact, done properly, he may even burn up on reentry into the atmosphere.
Hope this helps.
Stay safe,
mike j
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Hy
I can certainly teach you some empty hand self defence. I to started my martial arts journey in TKD and in it is a good foundation. However it certainly didn't hold all the answers for me. Enter stage left Bram, who really did open my eye to see a reality that I had previously missed completely. Along with some illusions shattered. So that was when the next stage of my journey began. CSSD/SC works on principals of reality, to be effective keep it simple. CSSD teaches knife, stick and empty hand.
Hy and Clay as I have been in the UK for the past 11 years I am not currently up to date with NSW and Australian knife laws could please suggest some reading, links or sites that would bring me up to date with current legislation
Many Thanks
Steve
I can certainly teach you some empty hand self defence. I to started my martial arts journey in TKD and in it is a good foundation. However it certainly didn't hold all the answers for me. Enter stage left Bram, who really did open my eye to see a reality that I had previously missed completely. Along with some illusions shattered. So that was when the next stage of my journey began. CSSD/SC works on principals of reality, to be effective keep it simple. CSSD teaches knife, stick and empty hand.
Hy and Clay as I have been in the UK for the past 11 years I am not currently up to date with NSW and Australian knife laws could please suggest some reading, links or sites that would bring me up to date with current legislation
Many Thanks
Steve
Clay, Mike, Steve and everyone, thanks for all the useful information and answers.......Bram, thanks for developing the gunting....when will the crimpt be out?????......can't wait to play around with a gunting drone when steve gets back.......should be fun...
Steve, check the following link out for info on NSW weapons laws.... http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/ ... /sch1.html
The crimpt Might not be covered under these provisions, though it would be difficult to say.
The next link is the Qld law on possessing a knife in a public place......http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/disp. ... =%7e+knive
Hope this helps.
Edited by - hy on 12/19/2001 7:28:08 PM
Steve, check the following link out for info on NSW weapons laws.... http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/ ... /sch1.html
The crimpt Might not be covered under these provisions, though it would be difficult to say.
The next link is the Qld law on possessing a knife in a public place......http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/disp. ... =%7e+knive
Hope this helps.
Edited by - hy on 12/19/2001 7:28:08 PM
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Steve,
Here's a link on carrying knives in a public place in NSW: http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/campaigns/psa.cfm
In practice I don't worry about that one too much, I reckon my age and appearance give me some immunity and I can usually come up with some sort of reasonable "lawful" excuse. I do tend to choose a smaller knife if I'm going out at night especially in the CBD. I only carry a knife for utility so it doesn't matter much to me. The law mainly seems to be used to target gangs and youths hanging around known trouble spots.
What concerns me more is the draft list of prohibited weapons drawn up by the Vic government. As I mentioned in an earlier post it expressly prohibits Kubotans but is also worded to include anything designed to be applied to pressure points, so it may well make the Gunting illegal. I think NSW may well follow suit as the states try to adopt uniform legislation. We seem to be moving in the same direction as GB which is not surprising since we have a pommie Chief of Police <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>. I have the Vic legislation in a .pdf file which I can send you if you are interested. The laws relating to self-defence have changed recently but I can't find the details on line yet.
Clay
"The trouble is that you think you have time."
Here's a link on carrying knives in a public place in NSW: http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/campaigns/psa.cfm
In practice I don't worry about that one too much, I reckon my age and appearance give me some immunity and I can usually come up with some sort of reasonable "lawful" excuse. I do tend to choose a smaller knife if I'm going out at night especially in the CBD. I only carry a knife for utility so it doesn't matter much to me. The law mainly seems to be used to target gangs and youths hanging around known trouble spots.
What concerns me more is the draft list of prohibited weapons drawn up by the Vic government. As I mentioned in an earlier post it expressly prohibits Kubotans but is also worded to include anything designed to be applied to pressure points, so it may well make the Gunting illegal. I think NSW may well follow suit as the states try to adopt uniform legislation. We seem to be moving in the same direction as GB which is not surprising since we have a pommie Chief of Police <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>. I have the Vic legislation in a .pdf file which I can send you if you are interested. The laws relating to self-defence have changed recently but I can't find the details on line yet.
Clay
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Thank you gentlemen for those links found them really useful spent last night reading through things and couldn’t find anything that would make the Gunting illegal to carry. Predominately looked Weapons Prohibition Act 1998 for NSW. Also in the Queensland Weapons Act 1990 - SECT 51 I couldn’t find the definition of a pen knife. Are there any other acts that cover these areas that I should be looking for?
Small in my opinion is best when it comes to folding knives. They’re less threatening to the sheeple, can do most utility tasks that a larger folder can do and both ethically and morally we don’t want to stab anybody anyway. If u do, do not pass go, do not collect $200 you’re going straight to jail. Can you use a small folder in a self-defence situation? You bet and very effectively. If you’ve read some Bram’s stuff you’ll understand what I mean, if not check it out. All fun stuff for me to share when I come back.
Clay please do send the legislation from Victoria I would be really interested.
Wishing everyone a safe and happy holiday season
Steve
Small in my opinion is best when it comes to folding knives. They’re less threatening to the sheeple, can do most utility tasks that a larger folder can do and both ethically and morally we don’t want to stab anybody anyway. If u do, do not pass go, do not collect $200 you’re going straight to jail. Can you use a small folder in a self-defence situation? You bet and very effectively. If you’ve read some Bram’s stuff you’ll understand what I mean, if not check it out. All fun stuff for me to share when I come back.
Clay please do send the legislation from Victoria I would be really interested.
Wishing everyone a safe and happy holiday season
Steve