Question regarding the MOTENG Q

[The Deacon]

A while back, I purchased a number of Qs from someone. Among them was this one...

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...I "assumed" it was a MOTENG, for three reasons. First, the box it came in - middle box, middle row, in the photo below...

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...was for a MOTENG Q box, and futhermore was for one with the same edge type (PS) as the knife. Now I've been collecting Spydercos long enough to know that a box, without other supporting evidence, proves nothing. I've received FRN knives in SS boxes, and other obvious mis-matches before. So my second and third reasons were the description of the MOTENG blade in the excerpt from Barry Carithers article on Q variants, re-printed on Spyderwa's Page
, coupled with the association of a knife identical to mine with MOTENG on Boxer's Q Page. The box shown in Boxer's photo is obviously incorrect. The Q's were all US made, and the box in that photo is a "Japan market" box, most probably for a Rookie (which was sold as an "M" or "M Police" in Japan).

Fast forward to the other day, when a totally unrelated question caused me to page through the PDF version of the 1998 Ironstone catalog Ted had been kind enough to create and make available to us. Leafing through it, I spotted this page...

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...Needless to say, that page has caused me to question my assumptions regarding the knife I have. So, the question for Sal, or any of the Q fanatics, is "What do I have?". Also, if it was made for MOTENG, is there an interesting "back story" as to why it was being offered by Ironstone? :D

[sal]

Good question Paul,

And I'm sorry to say I don't know. The knife blade was designed by Peter Jhones (our R&D legal guy). Moteng did a number of special patterns, but I don't remember which ones.

Could've been a close out. Could've been a "sharing".

They were all made in the Golden factory.

Barry had access to all of the models and history when he did his article. My guess is that Susan might remember.

sal

[zenheretic]

Looks like the Sun (spydie hole) over the Rockies...wonder what the inspiration would be.... :D

[Ted]

Paul, I got one like that for Chris from Japan (The Edge). Can't remember what the box said however...might have a pic somewhere...

[The Deacon]

Good question Paul,

And I'm sorry to say I don't know. The knife blade was designed by Peter Jhones (our R&D legal guy). Moteng did a number of special patterns, but I don't remember which ones.

Could've been a close out. Could've been a "sharing".

They were all made in the Golden factory.

Barry had access to all of the models and history when he did his article. My guess is that Susan might remember.

sal

Thanks for the reply Sal. What you said regarding Moteng having multiple patterns done for them did take the mystery out of the MOTENG#3 label on the box. Of course the next question that pops into my mind is what were the three patterns. :o :D

If the Susan you mention is still with Spyderco, or if there is anyone else there (Peter maybe?) with any knowledge of how this particular design was marketed, it would be of great interest to me, and I'm sure to a few of the other avid Q collectors who visit here as well.

[Ted]

Paul, Chris has the box of the "?Moteng?" Q on his website. It's in Japanese.
Also, his one is full SE, yours is CE. CE is pretty rare in a Q ?

Ted

[The Deacon]

Paul, Chris has the box of the "?Moteng?" Q on his website. It's in Japanese.
Also, his one is full SE, yours is CE. CE is pretty rare in a Q ?

Ted

Hi Ted, yes that is the box of his that I was referring to. Note the similarity of the symbols on it to the ?Kanji? model code on the "M Police" (Rookie) show on Hamonoichiba's website. That is what makes me strongly suspect that it is not the correct box for the knife. Granted, my Japanese is only slightly better than my Martian, so that label may just be saying "Spyderco knife" but it would not be the first time a dealer mixed up boxes.

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CE Q's are certainly less common than either SE or PE, the only other one I have is on the 1996 NYCKS "Rescue Q"

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[boxer93]

Hi Paul,
Java actually helped with the translation of my box. It is the M Police "rookie". The only 2 designs of the Moteng that I have seen are the one you and I have (Mine is SE and yours is CE) and there is one where the design is more script. I believe that jyork may have that variation. As for Ironstone selling it. They probably acquired them through Moteng (since they are a distributor). Sorry I couldn't help more.
Chris

[Rawd]

Deacon,

Interesting thread! It made me dig out my Moteng Q and box. I picked mine up quite a few years ago at a Mall knife store in Jefferson City, Missouri. At the time I had no idea what Moteng was, but was informed by the fellow at the store that he was a distributor for them. That was all he knew. The store is now long gone (closed shortly after I picked it up). Mine is also the CE, but the box (In English) just says Moteng and then in small print 10/97.

As for CE's. The Cabela's Q and the Wilderness Medicine Q (Rescue blade similar to the NYCKS) also have the combo edge.

Rod

[The Deacon]

Deacon,

Interesting thread! It made me dig out my Moteng Q and box. I picked mine up quite a few years ago at a Mall knife store in Jefferson City, Missouri. At the time I had no idea what Moteng was, but was informed by the fellow at the store that he was a distributor for them. That was all he knew. The store is now long gone (closed shortly after I picked it up). Mine is also the CE, but the box (In English) just says Moteng and then in small print 10/97.

As for CE's. The Cabela's Q and the Wilderness Medicine Q (Rescue blade similar to the NYCKS) also have the combo edge.

Rod

Thanks Rod. Just a couple questions more - does your box say MOTENG#3 and does the blade design looks the same as mine?

[boxer93]

Paul,
I was digging through my photo's and I found this http://home.comcast.net/~boxer93/scriptmountains_q.html Actually the picture is from Rawd (same as the pic from JYork) I was thinking that this was the other Moteng variation. Maybe Rawd can say what the box states for this this variation.
Chris

[Rawd]

I hate to start by appologizing, but the weak afternoon sun and my (weak) photography skills have combined to produce the questionable photos attached.

From the left, the Q's are NYCKS, Wilderness Medicine, Moteng, and Cabela's.

The only marking on the box are as in the second photo. The label has been applied over an earlier one. I tried to pick up the edge to get a look at the underlying one, but only managed to tear the edge and then decided to limit the damage.

One of these days I'll figure out this light thing, (and dig out the tripod) and post some of the rest of the collection.

Rod

[Rawd]

Chris,

That one came to me without the box, along with a large collection of other knives, so I can't help much more.

Rod

[sal]

Hi Deacon,

No one here knows. Sorry.

Does anyone have one of the Crucible CPM-420 (S90V) Q's that was made for Crucible out of CPM-420V (S90V)?

sal

[slick228]

Does anyone have one of the Crucible CPM-420 (S90V) Q's that was made for Crucible out of CPM-420V (S90V)?

sal

I sure don’t, but I would love to get my grubby little paws on one. :D I’ve been collecting “Q”s for a few years and never knew that the Crucible “Q” had a CPM-420V (S90V) blade steel. I assumed that all of the “Q”s were made with 440C.

:spyder:

[slick228]

Hey guys,

I also have a Moteng “Q” in my collection, and it is fully serrated. The design is the same as everyone else except for the edge configuration. The label on the box states the following:

C35SBK
"Q" MOTENG-3
BIRD WING
5/97

:spyder:

[boxer93]

Hi Deacon,

No one here knows. Sorry.

Does anyone have one of the Crucible CPM-420 (S90V) Q's that was made for Crucible out of CPM-420V (S90V)?

sal

Not here. After I found the picture I emailed the company years back and they stated that they were for employees only. Didn't know they were S90V Now if I only knew a CM employee :rolleyes:
Chris