I thought we'd got away from the term "sheeple". I do not care in the slightest about political correctness but why alienate potential converts to the brotherhood of the knife by using derogatory terms to describe them?
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By definition, you can't convert "sheeple."
That's because they don't think for themselves; they just "go with the crowd."
I'm going to agree with Karen in that nobody should see or know what you are carrying. That includes your friends if they're the type that like to make stupid comments at the wrong time such as "just pull out your machete bob".
Knife attacks are supposed to be stealthy events, not steven segall movie knife fights. If done properly, potential witnesses will not even be able to say you used a knife/that they saw you. Keep a little keychain blade for helping those that are knifeless like Karen said. Your SD knife should be invisible. That's why I rarely use clips except for my knife around the house, or to clip a knife somewhere invisible. Obviously I plan around going into weapons restricted areas.
Don't ever trust CN/CS, or OC or any combination of these to stop or do more than enrage a real criminal. I had to go through training, and I had well over 300 macings/pepper sprays in my career. The only time they are really effective is when you wait untill the person is severely out of breath and then spray it in their mouth and keep spraying as long as they try to breath. I'm a nice person but I'm so used to these sprays that spraying me in a fashion where I'm mobile would enrage me to the point of violence. So would some stab attacks. Many of the people coming out of our countries prison systems are inured to this just as I am
When thinking about stabbing or slashing have you ever seen a good prison movie like "American me?". Count how many stabs are made in one second from a stealthy start/weapon hidden. We'll say 5 to 6. The average attack would probably be around 3 to 60 wounds To the neck, head, heart etc. Once again, not exactly phillipino style but effective. Most likely that's what you will be faced with. Most criminals doing crimes will already have time in prison.
Sacrificing a hand ( as I did once) to give you time to get a weapon with the other hand might be something you need to do. I believe in living code yellow but taking the first shot or stab in a "Is this a mugging?, or begging " situation may not go over well with your local prosecutor. Remember, the state will ALWAYS have more resources than you and the average defense attorney around here will want you to come up with 20 to $100,000 up front, plus expenses and court costs.
Attempt to live invisible when you can. When you can't, do whatever you have to but do it smart. A pistol is a last ditch defensive weapon. A knife is a tool that you are trying to make do with as a weapon, but it's doubtfull the authorities will see it that way. There is still a left over bias that only bad guys carry knives, good guys have guns.
Recall just how much behind you are at the starting gate and realize you have no room for errors of judgement, wrong, or "colorfull" language at the scene of the "Crime", and use every trick you can to psychologicaly have the responding LEO feel as if you're one of the good guys. If everything else is good the type of knife won't be as big a deal as you think, barring laws against switchblades, double edged "dirks" etc. A Chinook won't get you in any more trouble than a $2 Barlow knife.
Last but not least, know your local laws not only on knives, but on self defence and use of force. Then give the responders what they need to hear. Don't lie, plant a knife or gun. pull them inside etc. This WILL gain you a conviction, just like running away and hiding. A man that has nothing to fear has no reason to do these things. Remember, you're not lying. You are going to explain the situation in a favorable manner to you. My son would call it a "Truthitude".
Which sounds better? I then took Brutus by the back of the head, and smashed his face into this here concrete wall!, or"I placed my hands on his upper body area to attempt to keep him from doing any more damage to himself while he attempted to keep hitting his head against the wall".
We obviously know I would never have done that, or advocate doing anything resembling this. I was merely demonstrating just how important good communication is. ( In truth I would really never do that kind of thing,Honestly!)
The next item is that some cops aren't there just to find the truth. Some arrive convinced of your guilt, and begin to go about proving their belief by distorting the truth by handpicking evidence. Unfortunately, yes I have met people like that. they usually don't last long, yet some go become police commissioners, ATF, etc. The odds are almost overwhelming you will get an honest, intelligent and knowledgeable police officer who will do his/her job fairly though.
BTW, this is merely the tip of the iceburg as most of you already know. We even have some instructors here. I worked in law enforcement and corrections for over 20 years, and did private and personal security also, guarding dignitaries such as the Supreme NATO commander, various foreign dignitaries, personal security for non political types, bounced clubs, just plain physical security ( security guard jobs) etc. Plus some other stuff. JL
"A Mastiff is to a dog what a Lion is to a housecat. He stands alone and all others sink before him. His courage does not exceed temper and generosity, and in attachment he equals the kindest of his race" Cynographia Britannic 1800
"Unless you're the lead dog the view is pretty much gonna stay the same!"
[quote="Steel Vader"]By definition, you can't convert "sheeple."
That's because they don't think for themselves]
You would be amazed then at the number of NKP who now carry :spyder: 's as a result of me talking to them like people who can up their own minds when given the necessary knowledge. :) We were all "knife sheeple" before we became involved with owning and using knives. :rolleyes:
We should be careful when defining what people are simply because they think or behave differently to us. :)
I thought we'd got away from the term "sheeple". I do not care in the slightest about political correctness but why alienate potential converts to the brotherhood of the knife by using derogatory terms to describe them?
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Steel Vader wrote:
Originally Posted by UK KEN
Friends
I thought we'd got away from the term "sheeple". I do not care in the slightest about political correctness but why alienate potential converts to the brotherhood of the knife by using derogatory terms to describe them?
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By definition, you can't convert "sheeple."
That's because they don't think for themselves]
I thought we'd agreed in numerous discussions regarding same that "sheeple" described a mentality. Hopefully then our actions and good examples as "knife people" should have a moderating effect on aichmophobes*.
However if the Society to Help Enable Every Person to Live Edgeless (SHEEPLE) had its way, we would legally be empowered to only carry Pink Ladybug Trainers properly registered through the local police after a full BATF background investigation. With the "NKP" (what a totally impersonal and euphemistic an acronym THAT is (more like an airport stop in Cambodia)) in mind (again the sheeple mentality) my least threatening EDC is my Gerber-600 multitool. There is no mistaking its value and utility as a tool and opening a serrated sheepfoot blade seems to pose no threat even to the most timid. Most are curious about the other features as well. The G10 Rookie, itself a faily non-threatening knife, remains "At Ease" in my pocket in uncertain/PC territory and no one ever knows about the Skinnat, Seal Pup, Bitter Root, Police, Native, Gunting, or occasional Civilian that may (or may not) be with me at any time. PC thought does not drive my belief system. I do what is pragmatic and right.
*"If you cower from knives it’s aichmophobia
Vice the shooting fear of hoplophobia
If you're scared and confused
At the big words I've used
You have hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia" - Java 07/07/2004
When I said that mercy stood
Within the border of the wood
I meant the lenient beast with claws
And bloody swift dispatching jaws.
Death Before Decaf!! :spyder:
I thought we'd got away from the term "sheeple". I do not care in the slightest about political correctness but why alienate potential converts to the brotherhood of the knife by using derogatory terms to describe them?
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I thought we'd agreed in numerous discussions regarding same that "sheeple" described a mentality. Hopefully then our actions and good examples as "knife people" should have a moderating effect on aichmophobes*.
However if the Society to Help Enable Every Person to Live Edgeless (SHEEPLE) had its way, we would legally be empowered to only carry Pink Ladybug Trainers properly registered through the local police after a full BATF background investigation. With the "NKP" (what a totally impersonal and euphemistic an acronym THAT is (more like an airport stop in Cambodia)) in mind (again the sheeple mentality) my least threatening EDC is my Gerber-600 multitool. There is no mistaking its value and utility as a tool and opening a serrated sheepfoot blade seems to pose no threat even to the most timid. Most are curious about the other features as well. The G10 Rookie, itself a faily non-threatening knife, remains "At Ease" in my pocket in uncertain/PC territory and no one ever knows about the Skinnat, Seal Pup, Bitter Root, Police, Native, Gunting, or occasional Civilian that may (or may not) be with me at any time. PC thought does not drive my belief system. I do what is pragmatic and right.
Well said! :D
Should you wish to rid yourself of the Pink Ladybug Trainer registered or otherwise I would be only too willing to give it a good home. I didn't even know that such an animal existed! :)
I have got to say that while I am an avid knife person and collector and will not think twice about carrying a knife with a 4" blade, people going around with 8 knives and various sprays seems extreme :eek: This is the image that many NKP carry around in their minds of all knife enthusiasts. I have never read any self defense expert advocate carrying an arsenal around. That is a matter of personal choice and local statutes. I'm not judging it. I am just saying a couple of things. First, I don't see how anyone can be surprised that most people would be concerned about a guy wandering around heavily armed--regardless of the implement. Second, if SD is really your concern, why not follow the lead of your local LEO (statutes permitting). A collapsible baton is a stunningly effective tool. That and try to stay out of trouble.
Should you wish to rid yourself of the Pink Ladybug Trainer registered or otherwise I would be only too willing to give it a good home. ]
Hi, Ken!!
Such an animal WILL exist alongside the UK and Denmark Pen Knife should the SHEEPLE lobby win!!! Sal too, is a pragmatist..... But it will still beat the Benchmade Puce G10 LFK (Little Freakin' Knife) on ergos, quality, and openability!!! :p :D
J
When I said that mercy stood
Within the border of the wood
I meant the lenient beast with claws
And bloody swift dispatching jaws.
Death Before Decaf!! :spyder:
dlemay: I carry the 3 oz. Fox Firemaster in a belt holster with a jacket, pullover, or sweater over it. I carry the DPS Pepper Foam in the left front pocket. In my opinion, belt holster carry is the quickest to deploy- inside pocket can severely hinder the draw. esspecially with jeans. I wear brown slacks with vertical pockets, so that makes for easier draw from pocket. My daily attire ussually consists of brown slacks, a shirt and tie, with a pullover or sweater over the shirt.
Open carry of O.C. probably is not a good idea.
-Mike
I don't usually worry about who sees me with one of my blades, but then again, every spyderco I own is a "Little Big Knife". A few of my byrds are at the top end of legal length (3.5 inches for concealed), but I usually have some smaller blade for stuff like opening packages.
I have got to say that while I am an avid knife person and collector and will not think twice about carrying a knife with a 4" blade, people going around with 8 knives and various sprays seems extreme :eek: This is the image that many NKP carry around in their minds of all knife enthusiasts. I have never read any self defense expert advocate carrying an arsenal around. That is a matter of personal choice and local statutes. I'm not judging it. I am just saying a couple of things. First, I don't see how anyone can be surprised that most people would be concerned about a guy wandering around heavily armed--regardless of the implement. Second, if SD is really your concern, why not follow the lead of your local LEO (statutes permitting). A collapsible baton is a stunningly effective tool. That and try to stay out of trouble.
Nothing personal intended here...
Q
The really funny part is, I carry about a dozen knives most of the time, and self defense isn't even a consideration for me. I carry my knives for work, and I work them hard. I have gotten home from a hard day at work with 8 DULL knives to sharpen (and no, I don't mean touch up). As I stated in another thread, I completely removed the edge from a Manix in a couple of hours at work.
I don't go out of my way to scare people, with my knives or any other way. It has been 25 years since I had to defend myself with a weapon, and even then, its presence was enough to calm the situation. I try to be as considerate of others as I can, but I will not let their fears prevent me from using what I need to do what I have to do.
I have one great advantage over many others here. I live in a small town in a sparsely populated area, within 100 miles of 5 packing plants that I know of offhand. (For those of you who have never been out here, 200 miles is considered local :D ) The plant here in town slaughters a thousand head of cattle a day. That adds up to a large percentage of the population who actually make their living with a knife, so people seldom freak out over knives here.
Oh, and the collapsable baton IS considered a weapon here, and is illegal to carry unless you are a police officer and have completed the training course :rolleyes: It may be permitted for CCW permit holders, but those permits are too new for me to have found out yet (the law went into effect over the governor's veto in July :D )
I don't believe in safe queens, only in pre-need replacements.
Episteme wrote:For what it's worth, I currently carry some pretty formidable blades on my person. This is mostly due to the fact that I live and attend graduate school in one of the most dangerous cities in the U.S. (Baltimore, MD). Currently, I carry a Cold Steel Voyager with a fully serrated five inch tanto blade, a Serrated Spyderco A.T.R., a fully serrated Endura 3 (left ankle), a fully serrated Tasman Salt (small of back), a SS harpy (appendix carry), and a small fixed blade (2.5 inch blade) SOG Topo Contour (cross-draw). I also have a Victorinox Soldier model in a Cordura pouch, and two 3 oz. canisters of O.C. (one Foam, one Fogger). So, to answer your question, what I carry does not get influenced by the sheeple factor. However, I am sure to carefully conceal all of my "gear" at all times, and if I should need to cut something in public (most likely at my University), then the Victorinox Soldier will probably get the assignment. I would never use my 5 inch tanto blade to cut something around sheeple, nor would I even use my fixed-blade SOG Contour, despite it's 'small' 2.5 inch blade. Those blades are reserved for the most dire circumstances. So, if the Spyderco Police is what you want to carry, and it is legal, I would not see a problem with carrying it so long as you also carry a smaller, less menacing blade to use around the general public, and you keep the Police model well hidden.
Stay safe.
Mike
Wow! 8 knives!!! 3 spydies!!! :eek: Is that a titaniums ATR or SS ATR? Don't tell me it's titanium, it will make me wana mug you! :D
I don't show my knives at work, employees where I work are not supposed to carry "weapons" so rather than make myself obvious I will use scissors or another inplement I could find at work if theres anything I need a knife for. Off the clock I'll use whatever edged tool I have on me regardless of what others might think.
Exactly!
