dedguy wrote:i don't want Sal or anyone else getting the wrong idea, i think it's a brilliant knife and would buy one and just stick it on a shelf if i had all the money in the world, but i don't. so when i buy a knife i like it to be one i will use and carry even if it's way more knife than i actually "need".
David Lowry wrote:Thanks Hannibal. :) I figured you all must know what it is with a 3 page thread. :D
Cheers mate,
David :)
From Ted's Amsterdam pictures thread...
Ted wrote:P'KAL
Very technical knife. Lot's of interesting features like the removable wave. The small ball-lock with the release piece. Very scary when Sal deploys it in a few nano seconds :O
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David Lowry wrote:I don't know what a pikal is. If it's self defense related then, no I will not buy it. If it's a normal knife then maybe.
:spyder: It's a term from the Tagalog language. Pakal means tip-down, it doesn't imply edge-in or out but has been popularized to commonly mean tip down edge in. :spyder:
More of what does not work will not work. Robin Cooper, Rokudan; Aikikai.
There is great power in the profound observation of the obvious. John Stone, Rokudan; Aikikai
The mass perception of what Hawkbills mean to a lot of people and their first initial reaction to Hawkbill designs is always "Self Defense" and/or Martial Arts.
Yes they have that capacity but I have been carrying some sort of a Hawkbill for over a year and a half and I have found a lot of practical uses for them. Actually SD is just one of maybe 50 legitimate uses that Hawkbill knives have. Also for that reason and the fascination of the Martial Arts crowd has with the Hawkbills have been unduly demonized by the average knife user to a large degree and it has caused the average person to have been grossly overlooked Hawkbill knives as a viable tool for a multitude of jobs.
Yes!! I will be purshasing a P'Kal when they become available for me to purchase. Not only just to add to my Hawkbill collection but to explore what pragmatic uses I can also utilize it for. I am more intrigued with the potential "tool value" of the P'Kal than I am with all the other hoopla that surrounds it. I think it and the Superhawk will be pleasant surprises to the Great Spyder Factory.
I'm hoping that the P'kal will do well enough that Sal and 'Narc will consider a 4" version. I may be helping the cause by buying 2-3.
The P'kal may technically be a hawkbill, but be aware it's barely a hawkbill, just a little bit of curvature. Also, the point is not where you expect it to be on a regular hawkbill. Lastly, it looks like you'll only be able to comfortably hold the knife in pakal or forward grip edge-up, which means you might not be able to use the knife as a regular hawkbill, although we'll have to check that when we have the knife in-hand.
That said, it's perfectly designed for defensive techniques using a pakal grip, so if you're a hawkbill fan, you still might be interested in checking it out.
*** I'm using pakal according to the common internet usage, meaning reverse grip edge in.
:spyder: As an Aikidoist I have the luxury of training styles and techniques I don't ever intend to use on the street.
Some of the things I train are too overly theoretical and attenuated to be of use in a street defence situation, this is differant from saying they are without worth. Other techniques require a degree of breakfalling skill to recieve safely or spines compress, shulls crush and shoulder or elbow capsules tear or pop. Many of theses techniques could have very effective street application but are lacking in compassion towards the attacker and may appear undue to a jury or court.
Really I'm more concered about a jury impression than what damage an attacker might incur resulting from attacking me, still I want my responce to be reletive to the threat.
S'narc's pekiti tirsia's edge in techniques seem as brutaly effective as anything I've seen.
I do worry about the wound profile that edge-in produces. The wounds are very aggressive and defensive in appearance. For a cop or other serve and save professional who is only interested in getting out of the room or alley alive I can't think of a better system. Cops are quite a bit more protected against civil liability related to life threatening situations. As a civilian with no such protection I worry about the wound profiles edge-in produces making me look like the agressor/attacker and getting my pants sued off later. I don't care to save my life on the street only to have it ruined in court.
Still, for those who are only concerned about making it home alive I can't imagine something more snicker-snack slice-and-dice effective. :spyder:
More of what does not work will not work. Robin Cooper, Rokudan; Aikikai.
There is great power in the profound observation of the obvious. John Stone, Rokudan; Aikikai
dedguy wrote:i was planning on getting one but the more i look at it the less likley i would ever carry the thing as i'm not into MBC and i'm not sure how well suited to utility it is.
It's a virtual wharncliffe (functional, easy to sharpen) S30v blade with a ball lock (very strong), G10 scales (grippy) and choils.
How could it not have utilitarian capabilities? :D
This is no Civilian with a paper-thin-tip and a single mission in mind.
I see it as perfectly completing my EDC with my Dodo: Anything one can't do, the other can. :D :cool: :spyder: :cool: :D
donutsrule wrote:It's a virtual wharncliffe (functional, easy to sharpen) S30v blade with a ball lock (very strong), G10 scales (grippy) and choils.
How could it not have utilitarian capabilities? :D
This is no Civilian with a paper-thin-tip and a single mission in mind.
I see it as perfectly completing my EDC with my Dodo: Anything one can't do, the other can. :D :cool: :spyder: :cool: :D
for sure i am agree
i am not a martial artist or knife fighter
i just use my knife as an utilitarian
i have also a friend who use his kershaw talon like an EDC and he said to me that it's very usefull
just hope the price will not too high
cheers
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donutsrule wrote:It's a virtual wharncliffe (functional, easy to sharpen) S30v blade with a ball lock (very strong), G10 scales (grippy) and choils.
How could it not have utilitarian capabilities? :D
This is no Civilian with a paper-thin-tip and a single mission in mind.
I see it as perfectly completing my EDC with my Dodo: Anything one can't do, the other can. :D :cool: :spyder: :cool: :D
well the placement of the choils keep it in a P'kal grip and it looks difficult to hold in any other fashion and tip down grip isn't the most utlititarian grip.
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dedguy wrote:well the placement of the choils keep it in a P'kal grip and it looks difficult to hold in any other fashion and tip down grip isn't the most utlititarian grip.
Put your index finger in the lower choil (like a Perrin), put your thumb in the upper choil/against the textured back of the blade spine (like a Chinook) and cut away in edge-away forward grip. :confused:
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Hold it like you would any Swiss Army Knife, ignoring the fact that not every bit of your hand is in contact with every bit of the handle -- not every edge-away forward grip cutting application needs a death (no pun intended) grip. :)
Remember, looks can be deceiving: The Dodo looked nonsensical to me until I held one.
donutsrule wrote:Put your index finger in the lower choil (like a Perrin), put your thumb in the upper choil/against the textured back of the blade spine (like a Chinook) and cut away in edge-away forward grip. :confused:
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Yup, that was the plan for me.
:spyder: Scott :spyder:
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I'll probably be getting one depending on price. I already have some of SouthNarc's videos (some are available for download from his site).
But I'll probably be doing a cheaper version just for kicks before it comes, out like the pic below (or I might see if STR will do it).
I've got a fiend on for Warnies. I've always liked them, and now with some sweet :spyder: models that are out (SPIN) or ones that are easily modified (PE Atlantic Salt or PE 83mm Rescues...if you can find one) I'm all giddy.
I think I'll start a new thread for some feedback without highjacking this one. :)
C :spyder:
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One thing to keep in mind as well with the P'kal is that you can use it in forward grip, edge-in.
In this manner, the knife can be used in pulling type cuts for ropes or other flexible material that is aided by pulling with the latissimus dorsi(very large muscles).
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