Police Talk

[Manixguy@1994]

I only have the P3 , hope to get a lightweight sometime . Sadly waited too long to pick up a PD-1 . MG2

I know where you can get one. PM incoming.

Thanks . MG2

[Jeb]

I am down for both of these regardless. Sounds awesome...

[Mushroom]

For the purposes of adding to the conversation. I've decided to go ahead with the experiment that I wanted to try. It started with a discussion for a Police model with a 5" blade. I believe there is even a thread started on the concept. It's will still be a ways off, like most new designs, but I thought to share.

There are two Police models with 5" full flat blades. Both will be mid lock-backs. Same blade steel and handle materials (Which has not yet been decided). The difference and the experiment will be that one will have a finger choil and the other will have a handle forward system. Other than that difference, (hole location is slightly different), they will be the same. The plan is to run both versions at the same time and study the responses from our ELU's (End Line Users) when being used.

sal

This sounds awesome. Depending on what you choose for steels, I'm in!

VG10! It's the design they want feedback for, not the steel. It will be a fun experiment.

Seriously though, in this situation, blade steel should not be part of the focus. Trust me I understand that people have preferences, just to have them, but not every knife needs to be some showcase of high end super steel. If the experiment is truly to test how customers respond to choil vs no choil, it makes total sense for Spyderco to use a more affordable steel like VG10 to keep costs down and maximize participation in the "experiment."

If either model provides Spyderco with the feedback they're looking for, at that point is when it would be reasonable to start asking for sprint runs or upgraded versions with super steels. Jumping straight into steel preferences before either of the designs is validated kind of misses the point of the test entirely.

[Cycletroll]

Thank you Sal!
I will echo Vivi- Magnacut please!
The extra toughness will be appreciated in such a long slim blade.

[RustyIron]

It's the design they want feedback for, not the steel. It will be a fun experiment.

Jumping straight into steel preferences before either of the designs is validated kind of misses the point

Nah, brah! Everything is always about the details.

Projects that are approached with focus on even the minutest details are far more successful than those that focus on only one feature and allow the other aspects to be mediocre.

The C8 Corvette is a nice car that's in high demand because Chevrolet put a lot of effort into getting everything right. If they cut corners and installed off-the-shelf shocks from Autozone, drum brakes, mounted discount tires from Big-O, and shoehorned in a carbureted small-block, it would still be a pretty car. Few people would buy it, but it would still be a pretty car.

[Mushroom]

It's the design they want feedback for, not the steel. It will be a fun experiment.

Jumping straight into steel preferences before either of the designs is validated kind of misses the point

Nah, brah! Everything is always about the details.

Projects that are approached with focus on even the minutest details are far more successful than those that focus on only one feature and allow the other aspects to be mediocre.

The C8 Corvette is a nice car that's in high demand because Chevrolet put a lot of effort into getting everything right. If they cut corners and installed off-the-shelf shocks from Autozone, drum brakes, mounted discount tires from Big-O, and shoehorned in a carbureted small-block, it would still be a pretty car. Few people would buy it, but it would still be a pretty car.

You’re right and I’m not opposed to them using any steel. Be it K390, CruWear, Magna-XXX, etc. I will try both new designs either way but I would also understand if they chose to go the VG10 or S30V route as well.

Regardless of the blade steel that gets used, I would still really like to see them use the name “C.O.P” (Chief of Police) for a handful of reasons.

The name Cop is a very common nickname used for Police officers.

In this case, C.O.P would serve as an acronym for Chief of Police.

The Chief of Police is the highest ranking officer in a real Police department. Now we obviously don’t rank knives like that but in terms of size these new designs would be at the top of what Spyderco offers for folders.

The C.O.P acronym style name would be like an homage to their original P.I.G moniker.

Calling it the “Chief of Police” (C.O.P) uses the name “Chief” which could serve as an indicator that it is the largest model in the series. (Rookie, Police, Chief of Police) This naming convention would mirror the Native series where “Chief” can be seen as a way of designating the largest model in its own respective series. (Lil Native, Native 5, Native Chief)

They could always just slap an XL tag at the end of the name but that’s too easy and where’s the fun in that?

Sorry to sound like a broken record but I’ve thought about this a lot…

[Manixguy@1994]

It's the design they want feedback for, not the steel. It will be a fun experiment.

Jumping straight into steel preferences before either of the designs is validated kind of misses the point

Nah, brah! Everything is always about the details.

Projects that are approached with focus on even the minutest details are far more successful than those that focus on only one feature and allow the other aspects to be mediocre.

The C8 Corvette is a nice car that's in high demand because Chevrolet put a lot of effort into getting everything right. If they cut corners and installed off-the-shelf shocks from Autozone, drum brakes, mounted discount tires from Big-O, and shoehorned in a carbureted small-block, it would still be a pretty car. Few people would buy it, but it would still be a pretty car.

You’re right and I’m not opposed to them using any steel. Be it K390, CruWear, Magna-XXX, etc. I will try both new designs either way but I would also understand if they chose to go the VG10 or S30V route as well.

Regardless of the blade steel that gets used, I would still really like to see them use the name “C.O.P” (Chief of Police) for a handful of reasons.

The name Cop is a very common nickname used for Police officers.

In this case, C.O.P would serve as an acronym for Chief of Police.

The Chief of Police is the highest ranking officer in a real Police department. Now we obviously don’t rank knives like that but in terms of size these new designs would be at the top of what Spyderco offers for folders.

The C.O.P acronym style name would be like an homage to their original P.I.G moniker.

Calling it the “Chief of Police” (C.O.P) uses the name “Chief” which could serve as an indicator that it is the largest model in the series. (Rookie, Police, Chief of Police) This naming convention would mirror the Native series where “Chief” can be seen as a way of designating the largest model in its own respective series. (Lil Native, Native 5, Native Chief)

They could always just slap an XL tag at the end of the name but that’s too easy and where’s the fun in that?

Sorry to sound like a broken record but I’ve thought about this a lot…

I think the C.O.P. Is a great idea and a tribute to law enforcement . It gives it also its own moniker instead of the usual XL name . Dan

[vivi]

I'm down for any steel or name myself. If I got to pick I'd say make it a G10 / magnacut salt right out of the gate, but that would also add another $100 to the retail price over frn/vg10 for what will be a pretty niche model. I'll trust Sals judgement here. Super excited to try out both designs!

[Coastal]

This one might be a bridge too far, even though I like large folders.

A COP Salt version would probably get me, though...

[vivi]

This one might be a bridge too far, even though I like large folders.

A COP Salt version would probably get me, though...

the cold steel frenzy (original 6" model) carries extremely well if your pockets are deep enough.

this police xl / cop / whatever should be shorter and lighter, so personally I'll have no issues carrying it.

[sal]

Probably won't be FRN. Pretty expensive to make 2 molds for an experimental. I did that with the Jumpers, 1 mold, which now might be relegated to Sprints.

Hey Nick, I've spoken to a few here about the C.O.P (TM) name and everyone has liked it so far.

sal

[RustyIron]

where “Chief” can be seen as a way of designating the largest model in its own respective series. (Lil Native, Native 5, Native Chief)

They could always just slap an XL tag at the end of the name but that’s too easy and where’s the fun in that?

The "Chief" idea is pretty clever. It totally flows with the already established nomenclature.

[GarageBoy]

5" Police?! Maybe Lynn Thompson was onto something

Are you Police fans also Native Chief fans?

[akapennypincher]

Think a Rescue Jr, would be perfect Knife for a LEO.

[Bill1170]

For the purposes of adding to the conversation. I've decided to go ahead with the experiment that I wanted to try. It started with a discussion for a Police model with a 5" blade. I believe there is even a thread started on the concept. It's will still be a ways off, like most new designs, but I thought to share.

There are two Police models with 5" full flat blades. Both will be mid lock-backs. Same blade steel and handle materials (Which has not yet been decided). The difference and the experiment will be that one will have a finger choil and the other will have a handle forward system. Other than that difference, (hole location is slightly different), they will be the same. The plan is to run both versions at the same time and study the responses from our ELU's (End Line Users) when being used.

sal

Sal,

I'll be buying both versions. Regardless of the cost. I am so thankful that you are considering this idea. Thank you so much. I'm extremely excited to see them revealed!

Once I get them in my hands and I've spent some time with them I promise I'll write up a detailed review comparing the two to the regular Police 4.

I look forward to reading your review. Wow, 5” blades. It’s a folding petty knife!

[Skar]

Sign me up for a COP I'll carry that .

[aicolainen]

For the purposes of adding to the conversation. I've decided to go ahead with the experiment that I wanted to try. It started with a discussion for a Police model with a 5" blade. I believe there is even a thread started on the concept. It's will still be a ways off, like most new designs, but I thought to share.

There are two Police models with 5" full flat blades. Both will be mid lock-backs. Same blade steel and handle materials (Which has not yet been decided). The difference and the experiment will be that one will have a finger choil and the other will have a handle forward system. Other than that difference, (hole location is slightly different), they will be the same. The plan is to run both versions at the same time and study the responses from our ELU's (End Line Users) when being used.

sal

Sal,

I'll be buying both versions. Regardless of the cost. I am so thankful that you are considering this idea. Thank you so much. I'm extremely excited to see them revealed!

100%
I was starting to hope we would see a PXL, but never expected there would be two versions out the gate.
Very exciting, and fairly certain I’ll get both as well

[Mushroom]

Probably won't be FRN. Pretty expensive to make 2 molds for an experimental. I did that with the Jumpers, 1 mold, which now might be relegated to Sprints.

Hey Nick, I've spoken to a few here about the C.O.P (TM) name and everyone has liked it so far.

sal

Hi Sal, that’s really cool to hear that it’s talked about and that it’s been well received so far! Thanks for being open to the suggestion. Can’t wait to see what direction it takes!

[horzuff]

Being a niche model I'm thinking it doesn't have to be so budget conscious and can swing for some weird, out-of-left-field steel. Add some appeal apart from the size and choil vs handle forward experiments aspects. Either way I'm excited to see how this turns out!

[Infinite Zero]

There are two Police models with 5" full flat blades. Both will be mid lock-backs. Same blade steel and handle materials (Which has not yet been decided). The difference and the experiment will be that one will have a finger choil and the other will have a handle forward system.

I find myself interested in this model despite usually preferring the Manix XL or Stretch XL over the standard Police. I think the appeal for me is the blade length of these concepts being significantly larger than those other XL knives, giving it a more defined identity/use-case for me.

I generally like choils, but the handle-forward system would make this new Police XL pretty easy to carry for its size. I’ll have to make my decision as photos appear.