Spyderco Endura 4

[Duboki Rez]

Would be nice to produce Endura with metal backspacer and various steels in saber grind, G10 handles... 3,5mm or 4mm thickness...
That can be one of the best folders on planet. EDC,SD , for Hard Use, Tactical and for light jobs like cutting fruits.
Think about that...Why Manix,Military,Paramilitary, Para have so much versions, but Endura,Delica and Endela dont?
(If Spyderco factory decide to produce that variants, one free for me in M4 or MagnaCut steel saber grind )

[Michael Janich]

Dear Duboki Rez:

Welcome to the Spyderco Forum.

For the record, the Endura and Delica were both produced with G-10 scales and steel backspacers. They did not sell nearly as well as the lightweight versions. They were not saber ground, however.

https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/detail ... n-G-10/302

Stay safe,

Mike

[jwbnyc]

You can still it in all steel:

https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details/C10/211

[Duboki Rez]

Know about that version, but more about thicker and other steels, like supersteels...

[jwbnyc]

You can still get it in all steel:

https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details/C10/211

[Cycletroll]

Know about that version, but more about thicker and other steels, like supersteels...

Welcome!
I have Endura's in: cpm-20cv, VG-10, k390, s30v, Super Gold 2, HAP40, PD1 Micromelt, ZDP-189, AND VG-10 Damascus. Have been using them hard for years without problem.
The Sabre ground Combo edge and Emerson wave versions are quite stout!
Hard to imagine what you would want to do with one that it couldn't handle.
As a point of reference I carried a Sabre ground combo edge VG-10 version as my on-duty knife for 10 years as a firefighter EMT. Used it f or prying, scraping, forcing locks, cutting seat belts, etc. Great strength/capability given the weight and construction!
I also chose that model for its flexibility as a self-defense tool given I was not permitted to carry a firearm while on duty.
Previous to the Endura I carried a Military but found the tip to be a bit fragile for this role. The CE Endura has a very strong tip!

[Bob Janvier]

Would be nice to produce Endura with metal backspacer and various steels in saber grind, G10 handles... 3,5mm or 4mm thickness...
That can be one of the best folders on planet. EDC,SD , for Hard Use, Tactical and for light jobs like cutting fruits.
Think about that...Why Manix,Military,Paramilitary, Para have so much versions, but Endura,Delica and Endela dont?
(If Spyderco factory decide to produce that variants, one free for me in M4 or MagnaCut steel saber grind )

Someone did it


I bought a used Foliage G10 Endura with a broken blade (FFG Plainedge), I'll switch blade with a saber grind Spyderedge one.
I'll eventually post a photo of it once done

[Wartstein]

Would be nice to produce Endura with metal backspacer and various steels in saber grind, G10 handles... 3,5mm or 4mm thickness...
That can be one of the best folders on planet. EDC,SD , for Hard Use, Tactical and for light jobs like cutting fruits.
Think about that...Why Manix,Military,Paramilitary, Para have so much versions, but Endura,Delica and Endela dont?
(If Spyderco factory decide to produce that variants, one free for me in M4 or MagnaCut steel saber grind )

Welcome to the forum!

The Endura actually is my favorite folder of all times and all brands, and to me it deserves every variant that makes any sense!

So I´d really grant you your request - but I also have to be honest here: I can´t see any, even the hardest folder task where the existing 3mm, sabre grind (! not ffg!) Endura blade would not be strong enough (it also has no tapering going on and a supersturdy tip).
I think the same blade in 4 mm would just be worse at slicing, would make the knife very blade heavy and probably not even fit anymore in the existing handle...

Also: I totally respect if one prefers G10 over FRN! But in a way FRN is the "stronger" (not the correct term, but I can´t think of another right now) material for "hard use". Can´t delaminate for example, should be less prone to "chipping" and things like that (of course there ARE also parameters where G10 has the upper hand).

[Doc Dan]

FRN is better than steel and better than G10 for knives. It is stronger than G10 in some ways and it is lighter. It isn't easily damaged like steel and tends to give rather than break. I can't imagine what a person could be doing with a knife that an Endura cannot handle. I can testify to its ruggedness.

If one must have a steel back spacer (I assume to give more weight to the back of the knife to make the blade more lively) I am sure there are some out there, if one but looks.

[olywa]

Flytanium makes titanium, brass and copper backspacers for the Endura and Delica. I've used them on Enduras and Delicas that I've re-scaled with micarta. They work exceptionally well, far better than the stock FRN backspacers. Can be a challenge to find them in stock.

[Wartstein]

Flytanium makes titanium, brass and copper backspacers for the Endura and Delica. I've used them on Enduras and Delicas that I've re-scaled with micarta. They work exceptionally well, far better than the stock FRN backspacers. Can be a challenge to find them in stock.

In what regards do they "work far better than FRN backspacers"? (No critique, but honest question! Just don´t quite get what you mean and never had a metal backspacer on any of my Enduras myself).

[The Mastiff]

Yep, I'm curious as well. I have a bunch of Enduras and Delicas in FRN, Steel and G10. They are all perfect as best as I can tell. Other than looks or "cool factor" which is opinion what do they do better? I have been carrying Enduras and sometimes Delicas since my first ones from way back in 1992. They are all still carry able and should easily outlast me and probably my now 37 year old son.

[olywa]

I've never used them with the stock FRN scales, just with after-market micarta scales. In the 2 Enduras and 2 Delicas I modded, they resolved minor lock rock issues and provided a more positive lock-up. The first Endura I did this to was due to the stock FRN backspacer suffering some damage when I tried reassembling the knife. The little 'guide' pin on one side sheared off so I decided to try an after-market solution, with positive results.

[shunsui]

What I noticed about the old Foliage Green G10 Endura was how much more solid the lock up sounded and felt. The Endura4 with it's liners had a nice feel to it too compared to the older models without liners.

That said, I never had a problem with the earlier Enduras. I actually preferred the pointy tips and the older saber grinds.

The biggest thing though is the FRN models have a nicer balance to me. The G10/Metal Enduras just seemed too handle heavy. YMMV.

[Wartstein]

I've never used them with the stock FRN scales, just with after-market micarta scales. In the 2 Enduras and 2 Delicas I modded, they resolved minor lock rock issues and provided a more positive lock-up. The first Endura I did this to was due to the stock FRN backspacer suffering some damage when I tried reassembling the knife. The little 'guide' pin on one side sheared off so I decided to try an after-market solution, with positive results.

Thanks for the info!

As said, I am perfectly happy with the FRN backspacers on my own Enduras (my Micarta handle Endura actually also has a Micarta backspacer), but I never tried metal ones, so I can´t compare and really weigh in.

[pippi]

FRN is better than steel and better than G10 for knives. It is stronger than G10 in some ways and it is lighter. It isn't easily damaged like steel and tends to give rather than break. I can't imagine what a person could be doing with a knife that an Endura cannot handle. I can testify to its ruggedness.

If one must have a steel back spacer (I assume to give more weight to the back of the knife to make the blade more lively) I am sure there are some out there, if one but looks.

I've always argued that knife durability counter-intuitively maps titanium scales on the least-durable end and FRN scales on the most-durable end.
And for the same reason, but more tenuously, puts high blade thickness on the least-durable end and medium blade thickness on the most-durable end.

Why? One of the most common damage modes for a pocketknife is the blade-down drop onto a hard surface.

Basic physics says that impact energy = mass * g * height(of drop).
The blade edge needs to then dissipate this energy. A blade edge geometry does not change at all with scale mass, and only changes somewhat with blade mass (thickness).