Cruwear Lightweight Temperence

[JoviAl]

On reflection after a few days using it - it is slight less slicey than I anticipated (I was expecting a laser and instead I got a scalpel) but I’m really enjoying it, especially the fantastic handle. The SE Cruwear is pretty delightful to sharpen and touch up. I’m playing with a dual grit edge on it at the moment and the aggression is top notch

I expect these knives feel quite different in hand. Aside from the differences in the handles, what about balance? Does the Temperance feel decidedly more blade heavy because of its thicker blade and lack of a full tang?

I’ve just had both in hand right now (had to put them down to type this) and whilst the Temp is a shade lighter they both balance perfectly on your first finger in a standard grip, which is pretty fantastic when you consider the tang and blade grind differences. The Temp feels a shade more blade heavy if you wave it about, but for slash cuts it doesn’t make a jot of difference in my experiences thus far.

[JoviAl]

Hey Al,

Tell us more about your dual-grit edge?

sal

Hi Sal,

I get my current iteration by doing ~10 strokes on the scalloped side to 1 stroke on the back(?), with the standard ceramic rod’s corner and the CBN’s corner respectively. I then trash talk the burr while waving around a strop made from a wooden chop stick with some ~2 micron diamond paste on it until the burr falls off in a fit of pique.

In seriousness it gives a very high aggression edge that seems to be a bit more stable than if I just do both sides with a low grit.

Have a great day,
Al

Edit - this was all inspired by Gabe’s (TheHomeSlice) antics on PE edges.

[JoviAl]

Further to my previous ramblings, I’m generally finding steels with a good degree of toughness and ductility (like H1/H2, CPM Cruwear, Magnacut, etc) really shine with a dual grit SE edge. In general what I consider to be more ‘hard’ steels tend to not love a dual grit edge so much (or at least my efforts at one). S110V is a classic example in that coarse it’s super aggressive, polished it’s really nice, but dual grit it seems to be neither here nor there. It seems that steels that lend themselves to SE are by proxy of the fact that they are suitable for having serrations cut into them are also suitable for dual grit treatment. Just my anecdotal observations and there are a couple of notable exceptions - LC200N for example just laughs at my attempts to improve functional edge aggression and longevity with dual grit, or VG10 which in my experience excels either coarse or polished but not particularly with a mixture of both. I’m sure smarter folk than myself might be able to ascertain what factors are contributing to this being the case for me (steel composition, sharpening technique adjustments, etc), this is just what I’m seeing from using and sharpening the knives a lot.

[Jim Malone]

Thx for the heads up. Maybe i will wait for the plain edge version. The FB05PGY. I don´t know how long it will take before it comes available.
Hopefully i can score one.

[twinboysdad]

I held a SE at the local shop, holy smokes what a design. Shop has more SE than they’ll sell and the PE is more my jam. It feels alive in your hand, possibly the perfect ergos on a fixed blade

[Bob Janvier]

I got mine yesterday morning. I bought two
This knife is amazing. It is super lightweight and very well balanced.
The handle is thicker than what we are use to with Spyderco handles but it's very confortable. It's soft and grippy at the same time. The ergonomic is incredible, you can take the knife tip up, tip down, front grip or reverse grip and it feels good in the hand.
The blade is thick and very sharp.
The design looks very much like the Jumpmaster 2 but in the hand it's a completely different experience.
Here are some photos after the unboxing and in comparison with a Jumpmaster 2 and an Aquasalt

[mark greenman]

Welp, you guys sold me. My previous attempts at willpower have fallen, snagged a SE Temp last night.

Will report back once it arrives.

[twinboysdad]

Welp, you guys sold me. My previous attempts at willpower have fallen, snagged a SE Temp last night.

Will report back once it arrives.

Be cool to get one of your baller reviews if you have the time.

[Kleon]

Mark I don’t think you will regret it!

[sal]

Thanx much for ll of the feedback. Appreciae. We decided to make a run because of push from this forum. (one particular person mostly).

Just talkin' story;

I spent a great deal of time on the design. I hadn't designed too many fixed blades, so research was old school. I'd used knives a lot and taken courses like James Keating's "Riddle of steel". (Very knowledgeable guy). I'd designed a number of folders. I was trying to make the handle for using in any situation. Food prep, campling, MBC etc. Handling all 4 grips was core in the concept and the butt was shaped for capping. The indentations were for reversing grip using the thumb and fore-finger and we have a few due to hand sizes.

I hand carved the knife out of pine while on a long cross country road trip. From a business point of view, it was a rough gamble considering the cost of tooling, but the design required FRN to keep the cost reasonable. It did OK in the market place for a while, then it moved out for other designs. It is similar to the Jump master 2 design.

I think that this version is a nice compliment give the steel. If there is renewed interest in the design, we're already tooled, so any combination of steel/handle color can be done with little engineering.

sal

[vivi]

I'm really excited to grab some of these in PE. Based on the feedback and comparison photos, I think I'll really enjoy using the handle. Looking forward to using one for fire prep.

[Tristan_david2001]

I was just sitting down in my living room holding my temp 1 appreciating how ingenious and beautiful of a design it is. Truly an iconic and inspiring design for me. Thank you Sal for your dedication to the craft and achieving such beautifully functional and ergonomic designs

[sal]

I'd really like to get some feedback on the design being used.

sal

[Tristan_david2001]

I used mine yesterday make some cuts on some really hard plastic, the handle is super effective for staying in control of the cut whilst using a lot of force. This handle is the most locked in I’ve felt on a handle. And the blade is ground nice and thin which makes separating material easier.
Keep in mind I still only have and use an original vg10 version

[sal]

Hi Al,

Thanx for the input on the dual grit. I have only heard theories on Dual Grit. No real hard core explanation as to its effect on some blade steels better than others?

sal

[JD Spydo]

I'd really like to get some feedback on the design being used.

sal

Mr. Glesser I can't tell you how glad I am that you all decided to do a Sprint Run of the TEMPERANCE 1 model. It's been my personal favorite Spyderco fixed blade ever since I got my first pair of them in SE & PE all the way back in 04.

The TEMP 1 truly is a design that was literally perfect from the get-go for so many cutting chores>> the handle design along with a near perfect blade design. And Cruwear is such an excellent choice on the blade steel.

The only other thing I could suggest would be to consider the TEMP 1 also for a Salt Series Run at some point.

[JoviAl]

Thanx much for ll of the feedback. Appreciae. We decided to make a run because of push from this forum. (one particular person mostly).

Just talkin' story;

I spent a great deal of time on the design. I hadn't designed too many fixed blades, so research was old school. I'd used knives a lot and taken courses like James Keating's "Riddle of steel". (Very knowledgeable guy). I'd designed a number of folders. I was trying to make the handle for using in any situation. Food prep, campling, MBC etc. Handling all 4 grips was core in the concept and the butt was shaped for capping. The indentations were for reversing grip using the thumb and fore-finger and we have a few due to hand sizes.

I hand carved the knife out of pine while on a long cross country road trip. From a business point of view, it was a rough gamble considering the cost of tooling, but the design required FRN to keep the cost reasonable. It did OK in the market place for a while, then it moved out for other designs. It is similar to the Jump master 2 design.

I think that this version is a nice compliment give the steel. If there is renewed interest in the design, we're already tooled, so any combination of steel/handle color can be done with little engineering.

sal

I actually can’t think of a steel I’d rather have it in than CPM Cruwear Home run on the first hit! Magnacut SE would be a nice alternative in the stainless department (although I’m convinced Cruwear is secretly stainless in its spare time ).

[JoviAl]

Hi Al,

Thanx for the input on the dual grit. I have only heard theories on Dual Grit. No real hard core explanation as to its effect on some blade steels better than others?

sal

Before I say anything I have to be completely honest in that I can only speak with any degree of conviction about SE dual grit. I’ve taken what Gabe has been generously sharing with the community about PE and laterally applied it. My dabbling with PE Dual Grit is limited as I pretty much solely use SE knives for work these days - they just out perform PE in edge longevity and aggression for my uses.

Now I’ve got that in the open, I find tough and ductile steels from H1 through Cru-wear to Magnacut all perform magnificently with an SE dual grit edge (using the method I described in a previous post on this thread). The real draw for me in using it is it is swift enough to do over a tea break, lasts for ages and doesn’t require any fancy fixed angle systems. The CBN and ceramic sharpmaker rods and an abrasive loaded chopstick make light work of the task, or if I’m out in the forest the CBN Double Stuff gets you there surprisingly easily. The only outlier steels I’ve had that on paper you might think would be great in SE dual grit but actually don’t play well with it are VG10 and LC200N, although I cannot for the life of me work out why. Likely a me problem rather than a steel problem, but I just don’t seem to get the long lasting aggression of the other steels with it. Both of these steels are a delight in SE with a coarse or a fine edge, just seemingly not the combination of both

I don’t know if I’ve answered your question or just raised more, but I think it is fascinating how much it can affect an edge’s longevity (if not absolute starting sharpness). I touch up my dual grit SE knives about twice to three times a week these days, which is a ludicrous amount of cutting between sharpenings. I’ve had my Jumpmaster 2 do two full days of thumb thickness torch ginger chop and drop - roughly 1800 cuts before I noticed it wasn’t just breezing through. About 10 mins of dual grit sharpening later and it was good to go for another 2 days of graft. Say what you will about H1, but in my eyes that is true ‘super steel’ territory.

[JoviAl]

Having just re-read your post Sal I think I misinterpreted a statement as a question. I don’t know if there is a tangible correlation between steel compositions and their viability for holding a DG edge well, as there are a few outliers which bucked expectations as I mentioned above. I’d be fascinated to hear people’s theories on it.

[TimButterfield]

The first thing that comes to mind is how the carbide types, sizing, and distributions of different steels may match with the dual edge techniques to either enhance or minimize effectiveness of the technique. It had me thinking of this article of Larrin.
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2019/07/15/ ... fe-steels/