MT41P - VG XEOS Mule Team Dropping Soon

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Re: MT41P - VG XEOS Mule Team Dropping Soon

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sal wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:34 pm
Takefu says it should be more corrosive resistant than VG-10. I found it takes a very nice edge. Ho is it cutting for you?

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Hi @sal

I’ve been carrying the knife since it first arrived about a week after it dropped. I’ve used it for food prep in the kitchen, a steak knife, card board cutting and cutting brush in the yard. I have not had the chipping issue that others have had and I’ve only had to touch it up on the sharp maker white ceramic poles once.

I’v washed it with soap and water twice during that time the rest of the time I just ran it under hot water. I washed with soap once before the first time I used it for food and the other time when I left cut up potato stuff on it for several hours, it wouldn’t come off with just water and wiping. I especially used it for fruits and vegetables and let it sit for an hour before running under hot water and wiping it off with a towel to keep the sheath clean. I’ve had the knife on my hip or scout carry style daily. While working in the yard, or hiking it’s been hot and the knife has gotten soaked in sweat almost every day. I’ve also done several hikes with it along the straight of Juan de Fuca and the Puget sound. So far no signs of patina or rust. I’m going to remove the scales tonight to see if any rust is there.

Next up I’m going to try and carve a small tug boat out of basswood with it.

Sharpening wise it’s one of the easiest mules to sharpen and takes a very very sharp edge which gives me hope for carving with it. It reminds me of how easy CRUWEAR is to sharpen maybe easier. It’s also one of the few steels that I can get as sharp as my PM2 crucarta with very little effort.

Has anyone like @Larrin been given some of the steel to test out the rust resistance? Just to verify it scientifically.

Update -
* I removed the scales on the knife and found no rust or patina. All I found were my finger prints, what looks like sweat/salt, and some grime from the beach (?). I’m going to keep the scales off it and carry it as a lite hiker for a while. Seki City did such a nice job on the edges that it would make a great skeleton-ized lite hiker with some removal of metal on the inner handle.

* tried carving a small tug boat from basswood but I have severe arthritis and couldn’t finish it. I’ll finish it at a later date. The knife cut pretty well considering it’s not as thin as my wood carving knives. I decided to strop it after I stopped carving but it didn’t really need it. It went from sharp to scary sharp with just a short stropping session. It strops back to scary sharp as easily or easier than my PM2 Crucarta knife or carbon steel carving knives. I’m thinking of trying a 15 dps re-beveling or lower so I can compare it to my AEB-L mule.

I don’t have a lot of experience with VG 10. I had the Rockjumper until my wife claimed it. I feel like it is comparing apples to oranges since the Rockjumper has a single bevel at 15 degrees and the VG XEOS has two bevels at whatever the factory set them at. One thing I didn’t like about the Rockjumper was that the front end, tip of the knife, rolled way too easily. Like I stated early I’ve had no rolling or chipping issues with this knife. It also seems a lot easier to sharpen. From my limited experience the VG XEOS keeps a better edge and seems a lot tougher. Although that could be due to the blade thickness and double bevel. It is definitely more corrosive resistant. I’m thinking it might make a good steel for Spyderco Salt series. Reminds me of LC200N.

Sorry pictures didn’t load as I thought they would. The pictures of the knife without scales on it are the ones I just took today. I was checking for rust under the scales.

The rusty Hercules Power machine is the engine and winch that still remain on top of the old Fort Worden Command Post/bunker at the mouth of the Puget Sound.

Added - wish I had a VG 10, H1/H2, LC200N and Magnacut mule to compare this to.
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lol now I remember why my sheath smells like coffee. Did this again without thinking.
lol now I remember why my sheath smells like coffee. Did this again without thinking.
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My lite hiker for Washington state rainy season.
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Re: MT41P - VG XEOS Mule Team Dropping Soon

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Re-beveled the knife already to 15 dps. It was one of the fastest mules to put a new bevel on. And it still took a wicked sharp edge when I finished. For me that’s a big thing because I’m still very much an amateur at sharpening knives so I love when a steel is easy to sharpen. I am liking this knife steel a lot like I liked the AEB-L mule.

Update - the knife now shaves through the basswood I’m carving with relative ease. Love watching the wood curl up on the knife as I thin slice it one slice at a time. I was able to carve longer this time because the knife blade was performing so well with the bevels at 15 dps. I use push cuts, stop cuts, pull cuts, pivot cuts, curved the blade down the bow of the hull, scraped the blade sideways and several other creative cuts. The blade remained very sharp the whole duration. The edge stability was amazing and I was shocked I didn’t need the Sharpmaker at all. I took a piece of paper and sliced it up after carving the wood so I decided just to strop the knife back to scary sharp. It took about 30 strokes on the strop to get it back to where I wanted it. Very pleased with the edge stability and increased edge retention/wear at 15 dps. I’m going to have to figure out how to use the scissor set up on my sharp maker to set the knife at 12.5 dps. Really want to see how the more acute angle performs.
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Little pieces of paper are the ones I carved up to see how sharp the knife was after doing some additional woodcarving.
Little pieces of paper are the ones I carved up to see how sharp the knife was after doing some additional woodcarving.
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Re: MT41P - VG XEOS Mule Team Dropping Soon

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I just bought one and joined the rest of you in testing steels.

1 - K294Mule Team K294 (MT36P)
1 - VG XEOS Mule Team VG XEOS - PlainEdge (MT41P)
2 - Black G-10 Handle for Mule TeamBlack G-10 Handle for Mule Team (MTGBK)
1 - Boltaron Sheath for Mule Team (MTSH)


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Re: MT41P - VG XEOS Mule Team Dropping Soon

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Naperville wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2025 11:26 pm
I just bought one and joined the rest of you in testing steels.

1 - K294Mule Team K294 (MT36P)
1 - VG XEOS Mule Team VG XEOS - PlainEdge (MT41P)
2 - Black G-10 Handle for Mule TeamBlack G-10 Handle for Mule Team (MTGBK)
1 - Boltaron Sheath for Mule Team (MTSH)


There were no bad items to buy on the Spyderco Mule Team page, the only thing that held me back was our credit card. I'll be back!
Congrats - that will be an exciting package! I haven't been able to shell out for the VG XEOS yet (hoping they're still around when I do), but I do have the K294 mule and it is right up there with my 15V mule for top honors among my fixed blades. K294 has a lot of tool steel attributes I like (feels related to K390 performance), but it is probably the easiest sharpening high-hardness steel I've dealt with and it gets wicked sharp easier than the others, in my experience. It was my first true "hair-popping" edge where simply getting the hair close to it pops it off, and I've been able to bring it back there without too much pfaff. I keep mine at ~20-22 degrees inclusive and it is sooooo fun and aggressive to cut with. Enjoy!
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Re: MT41P - VG XEOS Mule Team Dropping Soon

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barnaclesonaboat wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:51 pm
Naperville wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2025 11:26 pm
I just bought one and joined the rest of you in testing steels.

1 - K294Mule Team K294 (MT36P)
1 - VG XEOS Mule Team VG XEOS - PlainEdge (MT41P)
2 - Black G-10 Handle for Mule TeamBlack G-10 Handle for Mule Team (MTGBK)
1 - Boltaron Sheath for Mule Team (MTSH)


There were no bad items to buy on the Spyderco Mule Team page, the only thing that held me back was our credit card. I'll be back!
Congrats - that will be an exciting package! I haven't been able to shell out for the VG XEOS yet (hoping they're still around when I do), but I do have the K294 mule and it is right up there with my 15V mule for top honors among my fixed blades. K294 has a lot of tool steel attributes I like (feels related to K390 performance), but it is probably the easiest sharpening high-hardness steel I've dealt with and it gets wicked sharp easier than the others, in my experience. It was my first true "hair-popping" edge where simply getting the hair close to it pops it off, and I've been able to bring it back there without too much pfaff. I keep mine at ~20-22 degrees inclusive and it is sooooo fun and aggressive to cut with. Enjoy!
Sounds good!
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Yeah, nice place to start. I like your style buying 2 handles at once so you can side by side compare easier. I went with cord wrap for testing and bought one pair of scales for the field. From there I made scales in the cheapest and ugliest way so I could save money for more steel. The Halpern hardware is great and you may be surprised what you can rig into a handle, if you are inclined. Ha, not that you need to, eh! Welcome to the Mule Team.
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Re: MT41P - VG XEOS Mule Team Dropping Soon

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How many VG XEOS mules were made? Do we know? Earlier in the thread Standy said 700 left. Need info for the BLUE MULE LIST (found at viewtopic.php?p=1739413#p1739413).
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