Lil Native dilemma

[vivi]

I've always closed compression locks by turning the knife so the presentation side faces up, depressing the lock release with my index finger, then swinging the blade shut manually using my thumb. Maybe try that? Not sure how well it'd work on a knife this small, but it worked ok on my old Salsas.

[MichaelScott]

I guess I just don’t understand this so-called issue. What I am hearing is that if a compression lock knife is not capable out of the box, or after break-in, to close perfectly when the release is actuated, it is a big problem, “deal breaker” even and is too flawed to keep.

This, to me, is a push-button perfectionist view and is up there with other virtual “issues” which seldom or ever occur.

There is more than one way to close a compression lock knife.

Compression lock knives spend 98% of the time in the pocket, 1.9% of the remaining time cutting stuff and the remainder being closed by the user.

“Deal breaker”?

Silly at best.

[Forest Elk]

I guess I just don’t understand this so-called issue. What I am hearing is that if a compression lock knife is not capable out of the box, or after break-in, to close perfectly when the release is actuated, it is a big problem, “deal breaker” even and is too flawed to keep...
...There is more than one way to close a compression lock knife.
“Deal breaker”?
Silly at best.

If it wasn't for the internet, I never would have noticed the nub. I tend to open and close the blade with the hole. To close all of my compression lock knives, I release the lock and then use the hole to pivot the blade shut, the opposite of how I open it. I don't flick the blade open or closed, but I can see how this affects that method.

I never do flick any of my knives. It puts unnecessary impact force on the whole mechanism compared to the force which is applied even when doing heavy cutting work (hammer a nail into the wall, then try to push it into... :cool:). You may save abt. a half second for opening/closing, but is this really a concern?
For me the Lil' Native ComLock is a 100 % perfect design. When I received it last week, after handling it a few times I immediately realized that this is a knife I have been long waiting for.
No needs to change anything... I love it as it is! :) :spyder:

[Araignee]

Sorry for necrobumping, but I became aware of the ricasso issue after watching videos on the Lil' Native compression lock version.

So I'm wondering if after all that time, a reason was given about this "notch blocking ricasso" being present on the Lil' Native/Shaman... but not on the Para/Native. The discrepancy is disconcerting. One can't be sure whether that's a bug or a feature.

Also, is a CQI being planned to address this ?

[Shmohawk]

Sorry for necrobumping, but I became aware of the ricasso issue after watching videos on the Lil' Native compression lock version.

So I'm wondering if after all that time, a reason was given about this "notch blocking ricasso" being present on the Lil' Native/Shaman... but not on the Para/Native. The discrepancy is disconcerting. One can't be sure whether that's a bug or a feature.

Also, is a CQI being planned to address this ?

This is what Sal said here regarding the Shaman viewtopic.php?t=92104

"I designed the knife with the nub because I felt it made the knife a better design from a safety point of view. The blade is wide so the guard is close to the handle spine when closed. It is not a design error. If it's not a bother to you, I would suggest you leave it there."

And this here also regarding the Shaman https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/spy ... y.1651820/

"I would suggest that, as mentioned, you don't mess with it and use the knife for a while. I believe you will adapt. The knife was very carefully designed over a 2 year period, refining in very small increments. It is exactly as it was designed to be."

[kennethsime]

It’s funny to read folks complain about the nub on the Shaman, because I have the same issue with the PM2.

I say issue, but it’s not really an issue unless I want it to be. My finger is out of the way well before the nub comes into play.

I imagine that, given the small size of the Lil Native blade, it would be even less of an issue on this knife.

I’d really like to get myself a Lil Native with Micarta scales. Slipjoint would be ideal, but it seems that most folks only make them for the comp lock.

[Araignee]

This is what Sal said here regarding the Shaman viewtopic.php?t=92104

"I designed the knife with the nub because I felt it made the knife a better design from a safety point of view. The blade is wide so the guard is close to the handle spine when closed. It is not a design error. If it's not a bother to you, I would suggest you leave it there."

And this here also regarding the Shaman https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/spy ... y.1651820/

"I would suggest that, as mentioned, you don't mess with it and use the knife for a while. I believe you will adapt. The knife was very carefully designed over a 2 year period, refining in very small increments. It is exactly as it was designed to be."

Thank you very much for digging this up. So basically this would be a safety feature on the Shaman, due to its big blade.

But is it also necessary on the Lil' Native and it puny blade ?
I guess one could argue that it's a small knife meant to be driven hard...

[BornIn1500]

So basically this would be a safety feature on the Shaman, due to its big blade.

But is it also necessary on the Lil' Native and it puny blade ?

I don't think that's what he meant. They were 2 separate sentences. The nub's safety aspect is just so your finger doesn't slip up onto the edge, not because the blade is large. Then he said the blade is wide, which puts that safety nub into the cutout. That same safety aspect also applies to the Lil Native since it also has a finger choil and he doesn't want your finger slipping forward.

I think these Lil Native complaints could be cured by looking at pictures of the Tropen's cutout... And you'll just be happy the Lil Native isn't like that.

[z1r]

I can see how that "bump" might bother those who NEED to flick a knife open. I don't, so I never even noticed it til I saw this thread. A non-issue for me.

[Wartstein]

I can see how that "bump" might bother those who NEED to flick a knife open. I don't, so I never even noticed it til I saw this thread. A non-issue for me.

People are actually complaining about the nub when CLOSING the knife, not opening.

(For the record: I could try a Shaman once and had no issues whatsoever with the nub )

[Makunochimaster]

Back lock our method

[Shmohawk]

This is what Sal said here regarding the Shaman viewtopic.php?t=92104

"I designed the knife with the nub because I felt it made the knife a better design from a safety point of view. The blade is wide so the guard is close to the handle spine when closed. It is not a design error. If it's not a bother to you, I would suggest you leave it there."

And this here also regarding the Shaman https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/spy ... y.1651820/

"I would suggest that, as mentioned, you don't mess with it and use the knife for a while. I believe you will adapt. The knife was very carefully designed over a 2 year period, refining in very small increments. It is exactly as it was designed to be."

Thank you very much for digging this up. So basically this would be a safety feature on the Shaman, due to its big blade.

But is it also necessary on the Lil' Native and it puny blade ?
I guess one could argue that it's a small knife meant to be driven hard...

The nub on the Lil Lative is smaller in proportion to the the rest of the knife than the nub on the Shaman.
Which is why is part of why it protrudes into the cutout less than on the Shaman.
The nub on the Shaman is larger proportionality probably because its a larger and harder user. The Lil Native nub is, in my opinion, for my fingers, really just barely big enough to to provide the added safety.

I have the Shaman, Watu and Lil Native all of which have nubs that protrude into the CL cutout. On the Watu way more than the other 2. I use them all regularly and I wouldn't want to change it on any of them. Its a non issue for me and I have a hard time understanding why its such a big issue for anyone that actually holds them in hand and gives a moments thought on how to adjust. And these adjustment are perfectly fine and comfortable ways to close any CL even without the nub.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse but it seems some dead horses could use a beating.

[z1r]

I can see how that "bump" might bother those who NEED to flick a knife open. I don't, so I never even noticed it til I saw this thread. A non-issue for me.

People are actually complaining about the nub when CLOSING the knife, not opening.

(For the record: I could try a Shaman once and had no issues whatsoever with the nub )

Yeah, and I'm guessing it's those that flick closed. I should not have said flick open, I meant to say flick in general both open and closed. I still don't see an issue. I will say that this "issue" is more pronounced on my Mantra than my lil Native.

[Tristan_david2001]

I can see how that "bump" might bother those who NEED to flick a knife open. I don't, so I never even noticed it til I saw this thread. A non-issue for me.

People are actually complaining about the nub when CLOSING the knife, not opening.

(For the record: I could try a Shaman once and had no issues whatsoever with the nub )

Yeah, and I'm guessing it's those that flick closed. I should not have said flick open, I meant to say flick in general both open and closed. I still don't see an issue. I will say that this "issue" is more pronounced on my Mantra than my lil Native.

..what? The mantra is dealing with a different lock, therefore not dealing with the same issue

[z1r]

..what? The mantra is dealing with a different lock, therefore not dealing with the same issue

https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details/C233CF/1154

[Tristan_david2001]

..what? The mantra is dealing with a different lock, therefore not dealing with the same issue

https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details/C233CF/1154

Ah I forgot the 3 had the comp lock, my bad. But, it’s still not dealing with with a choil nub protruding out of the interface of the lock access cutout.

[Mushroom]

..what? The mantra is dealing with a different lock, therefore not dealing with the same issue

https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details/C233CF/1154

Ah I forgot the 3 had the comp lock, my bad. But, it’s still not dealing with with a choil nub protruding out of the interface of the lock access cutout.

Well yeah, because it doesn’t have a choil but the flipper tab absolutely does protrude into the lock access.

[Wartstein]

I can see how that "bump" might bother those who NEED to flick a knife open. I don't, so I never even noticed it til I saw this thread. A non-issue for me.

People are actually complaining about the nub when CLOSING the knife, not opening.

(For the record: I could try a Shaman once and had no issues whatsoever with the nub )

Yeah, and I'm guessing it's those that flick closed. I should not have said flick open, I meant to say flick in general both open and closed. I still don't see an issue. I will say that this "issue" is more pronounced on my Mantra than my lil Native.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification.
Tbh, I did not even realize that "flick CLOSE" is a valid term in English (not my first language, obviously )

[Tristan_david2001]

..what? The mantra is dealing with a different lock, therefore not dealing with the same issue

https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details/C233CF/1154

Ah I forgot the 3 had the comp lock, my bad. But, it’s still not dealing with with a choil nub protruding out of the interface of the lock access cutout.

Well yeah, because it doesn’t have a choil but the flipper tab absolutely does protrude into the lock access.

Not from what I see in the stock photos of the knife opened and closed. The flipper tab is sitting just above the comp lock cutout.

[Mushroom]

https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details/C233CF/1154

Ah I forgot the 3 had the comp lock, my bad. But, it’s still not dealing with with a choil nub protruding out of the interface of the lock access cutout.

Well yeah, because it doesn’t have a choil but the flipper tab absolutely does protrude into the lock access.

Not from what I see in the stock photos of the knife opened and closed. The flipper tab is sitting just above the comp lock cutout.

Normally if people are going to argue their point it’s because they know what they’re talking about.

I literally have the Mantra 3 in my hand at the moment, I’m telling you the flipper tab protrudes into the lock access. It’s not up for debate via stock photo sources either.