If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
This isn’t a thread about which knife you want to see in magnacut, but if the knife of your choice was in magnacut (assume the same price as your favorite other steel) is there another steel you’d prefer? If so, which and why?
I suspect there’s a bunch of people who just want variety for variety’s sake, and that’s great. I’m with ya.
But from a practical user perspective, why something else?
I suspect there’s a bunch of people who just want variety for variety’s sake, and that’s great. I’m with ya.
But from a practical user perspective, why something else?
Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
I'd take k390 over magnacut for some uses cases because k390 seems to have its edge last forever and it really easy to sharpen to a razor edge. Patina is fun too.
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Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
If I knew I was going to be cutting just a ****ton of rope and/or cardboard, I would get something optimized for wear resistance like that new CPM-15V they're pushing.
But I don't know that. So yeah. Magnacut.
But I don't know that. So yeah. Magnacut.
Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
The only reason I can think of off the top of my head for choosing something else would be if I was buying a machete or something similarly sized. I’d want something that is willing to bend rather than break when I accidentally hit a rock, although I wouldn’t be surprised to see Magnacut at a lower HRC be good for that.
I personally really enjoy sharpening cruwear, but since experimenting with dual grit sharpening on my Magnacut mule I’m even more inclined towards Magnacut - it really is a stellar steel.
I personally really enjoy sharpening cruwear, but since experimenting with dual grit sharpening on my Magnacut mule I’m even more inclined towards Magnacut - it really is a stellar steel.
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Dream knives -
Chinook in Magnacut (any era)
Manix 2 XL Salt in Magnacut
A larger Rockjumper in Magnacut SE
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Dream knives -
Chinook in Magnacut (any era)
Manix 2 XL Salt in Magnacut
A larger Rockjumper in Magnacut SE
Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
I haven’t experienced anything that sharpens like 52100. Maybe the sharpeners have other preferences?
Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
Answering my own post here, but I might keep one serrated h1/h2 around for ease of sharpening. I have yet to see how serrated magnacut sharpens on the ceramic.
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Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
Magnacut is probably the best compromise produced in a knife steel today.
If I wanted something with more wear resistance, I’d pick Maxamet.
If I wanted something with more toughness, I’d pick 3V or even 1V.
If I wanted something with more stain resistance, I’d pick LC200N or H1.
If I wanted something cheaper, I’d pick A2, or maybe BD1N.
I don’t care that much about stain resistance, so actually I think Cruwear is a better compromise steel for me. K390 is another favorite.
If I wanted something with more wear resistance, I’d pick Maxamet.
If I wanted something with more toughness, I’d pick 3V or even 1V.
If I wanted something with more stain resistance, I’d pick LC200N or H1.
If I wanted something cheaper, I’d pick A2, or maybe BD1N.
I don’t care that much about stain resistance, so actually I think Cruwear is a better compromise steel for me. K390 is another favorite.
I'm happiest with Micarta and Tool Steel.
Top four in rotation: K390 + GCM PM2, ZCarta Shaman, Crucarta PM2, K390 + GCM Straight Spine Stretch.
Top four in rotation: K390 + GCM PM2, ZCarta Shaman, Crucarta PM2, K390 + GCM Straight Spine Stretch.
Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
Because of my geographic location, I don’t have as much need for corrosion resistance. So while Magnacut is admirably tough at a given level of hardness, there are other steels that are even tougher at that same hardness. I’d taken nicely hardened 52100 or AEB-L, for example, over Magnacut.
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Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
For variety.
It is really hard to find a bad steel these days. There is nothing wrong with Magnacut, but I don't see it as the only game in town. For example I just picked up the Manix sprint in s15V and I am delighted to have it. I expect other interesting things to come down the road.
It is really hard to find a bad steel these days. There is nothing wrong with Magnacut, but I don't see it as the only game in town. For example I just picked up the Manix sprint in s15V and I am delighted to have it. I expect other interesting things to come down the road.
Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
What ever happened to the vanax hype?
Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
From what I can see MC is an amazingly well balanced steel between wear resistance/edge retention, toughness and corrosion resistance... in my case it is just that I don't need the latter in a high degree, despite using and carrying my folders in humid and sweaty conditions all the time.
So I personally would choose a steel that is even thougher and/or more wear resistant (or on some knives quicker to sharpen), but a lot less rust proof over MC.
So I personally would choose a steel that is even thougher and/or more wear resistant (or on some knives quicker to sharpen), but a lot less rust proof over MC.
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
This one's easy. I have several knives in K390, and I enjoy how well it holds and edge, is resistant to abuse, and how well it sharpens. I only have one knife in 15V, and it's impressing me for the same reasons. I'd choose either of these materials over Magnacut, unless I was looking for corrosion resistance. If rust was a concern for me, Magnacut would be a consideration.
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Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
Used Magnacut a bit… good steal but it hasn’t replaced everything.
If I want screaming, screaming sharp HAP40
If I want screaming sharp for a long time M4
If I want screaming sharp forever Maxamet
Would I buy S30V and S35VN, S45VN over Magnacut probably not.
As I look after my knives if I could pick one steel for the steel fairies to sneak in tonight and turn all my knives the one steel it would be M4
If I want screaming, screaming sharp HAP40
If I want screaming sharp for a long time M4
If I want screaming sharp forever Maxamet
Would I buy S30V and S35VN, S45VN over Magnacut probably not.
As I look after my knives if I could pick one steel for the steel fairies to sneak in tonight and turn all my knives the one steel it would be M4
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Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
dj moonbat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:06 pmIf I knew I was going to be cutting just a ****ton of rope and/or cardboard, I would get something optimized for wear resistance like that new CPM-15V they're pushing.
But I don't know that. So yeah. Magnacut.
Exactly this. It would have to be a situation where I have a job or some cutting task where I knew I'd be cutting something all day long, where massive edge retention would be a benefit. But on the flip side of that I also wouldn't want to be fixing edge damage at the end of every work day and if the steel is a chore to sharpen and fix edge damage then I wouldn't want that big of a tradeoff. At that point I'd probably just use a disposable blade utility knife.
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Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
Because so far my only experience with magnacut has been the unrelenting and excessive hype. When Spyderco releases a knife I'm interested in using that steel I might pick one up to see if it even comes close to living up to the hype. Until then, there are any number of modern steels that I'd choose first.sethwm wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 8:54 pmThis isn’t a thread about which knife you want to see in magnacut, but if the knife of your choice was in magnacut (assume the same price as your favorite other steel) is there another steel you’d prefer? If so, which and why?
I suspect there’s a bunch of people who just want variety for variety’s sake, and that’s great. I’m with ya.
But from a practical user perspective, why something else?
Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
It never quite took off (cost and availability) then then Magnacut came and put the last nail in the coffin. Probably the main weakness of Vanax is that, similar to steels like LC200N, it won't really get past HRC60, so if edge stability and super long edge retention is your thing, you are not going to get it with these steels.
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Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
i don't think most of us have enough experience with magnacut to say we never want anything else. even for those of us that have a knife with this steel, there hasn't really been enough time or variety to make that kind of determination.
i felt this way about lc200n and wanted it in everything at first. i still like the steel and have no issues with it, but it just can't replace everything. magnacut may be a step better, but it's still kind of early. not to mention, while i'm not one of them, you'll always have the crowd that thinks they need a knife to cut forever and that doesn't need to worry about corrosion.
the question you ask feels like it could be applied to almost any point in history when new steels became popular. if you could have 440c in everything, why anything else? if you could have s30v in everything, why anything else? if you could have lc200n in everything, why anything else? if you could have 15v in everything, why anything else? i'm not saying it's wrong to ask, i'm just glad steel manufacturers aren't asking it. otherwise no one would push forward.
i felt this way about lc200n and wanted it in everything at first. i still like the steel and have no issues with it, but it just can't replace everything. magnacut may be a step better, but it's still kind of early. not to mention, while i'm not one of them, you'll always have the crowd that thinks they need a knife to cut forever and that doesn't need to worry about corrosion.
the question you ask feels like it could be applied to almost any point in history when new steels became popular. if you could have 440c in everything, why anything else? if you could have s30v in everything, why anything else? if you could have lc200n in everything, why anything else? if you could have 15v in everything, why anything else? i'm not saying it's wrong to ask, i'm just glad steel manufacturers aren't asking it. otherwise no one would push forward.
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current collection:
C36MCW2, C258YL, C253GBBK, C258GFBL, C101GBBK2, C11GYW, C11FWNB20CV, C101GBN15V2, C101GODFDE2, C60GGY, C149G, C189, C101GBN2, MT35, C211TI, C242CF, C217GSSF, C101BN2, C85G2, C91BBK, C142G, C122GBBK, LBK, LYL3HB, C193, C28YL2, C11ZPGYD, C41YL5, C252G, C130G, PLKIT1
spyderco steels:
H2, CPM 20CV, CPM 15V, CTS 204P, CPM CRUWEAR, CPM S30V, N690Co, M390, CPM MagnaCut, LC200N, CTS XHP, H1, 8Cr13MoV, GIN-1, CTS BD1, VG-10, VG-10/Damascus, 440C
current collection:
C36MCW2, C258YL, C253GBBK, C258GFBL, C101GBBK2, C11GYW, C11FWNB20CV, C101GBN15V2, C101GODFDE2, C60GGY, C149G, C189, C101GBN2, MT35, C211TI, C242CF, C217GSSF, C101BN2, C85G2, C91BBK, C142G, C122GBBK, LBK, LYL3HB, C193, C28YL2, C11ZPGYD, C41YL5, C252G, C130G, PLKIT1
spyderco steels:
H2, CPM 20CV, CPM 15V, CTS 204P, CPM CRUWEAR, CPM S30V, N690Co, M390, CPM MagnaCut, LC200N, CTS XHP, H1, 8Cr13MoV, GIN-1, CTS BD1, VG-10, VG-10/Damascus, 440C
Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
i should probably add though that magnacut is the steel i'm most excited about so far because it was teased to be added to my favorite knife in its first salt version. i really can't wait for my magnacut manix. i imagine it will be great for me, but i'm sure there will always be others that prefer something else for various reasons.
keep your knife sharp and your focus sharper.
current collection:
C36MCW2, C258YL, C253GBBK, C258GFBL, C101GBBK2, C11GYW, C11FWNB20CV, C101GBN15V2, C101GODFDE2, C60GGY, C149G, C189, C101GBN2, MT35, C211TI, C242CF, C217GSSF, C101BN2, C85G2, C91BBK, C142G, C122GBBK, LBK, LYL3HB, C193, C28YL2, C11ZPGYD, C41YL5, C252G, C130G, PLKIT1
spyderco steels:
H2, CPM 20CV, CPM 15V, CTS 204P, CPM CRUWEAR, CPM S30V, N690Co, M390, CPM MagnaCut, LC200N, CTS XHP, H1, 8Cr13MoV, GIN-1, CTS BD1, VG-10, VG-10/Damascus, 440C
current collection:
C36MCW2, C258YL, C253GBBK, C258GFBL, C101GBBK2, C11GYW, C11FWNB20CV, C101GBN15V2, C101GODFDE2, C60GGY, C149G, C189, C101GBN2, MT35, C211TI, C242CF, C217GSSF, C101BN2, C85G2, C91BBK, C142G, C122GBBK, LBK, LYL3HB, C193, C28YL2, C11ZPGYD, C41YL5, C252G, C130G, PLKIT1
spyderco steels:
H2, CPM 20CV, CPM 15V, CTS 204P, CPM CRUWEAR, CPM S30V, N690Co, M390, CPM MagnaCut, LC200N, CTS XHP, H1, 8Cr13MoV, GIN-1, CTS BD1, VG-10, VG-10/Damascus, 440C
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Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
Since there is always some new steel coming around the corner every few years i am sure you will all forget about magnacut just give it some time…
The steel i want to keep seeing the most is plain old s30v. You can say what you want about it but from Spyderco the stuff is amazing and will always be amazing.
The steel i want to keep seeing the most is plain old s30v. You can say what you want about it but from Spyderco the stuff is amazing and will always be amazing.
Re: If you could have any knife in magnacut, why would you opt for another steel?
Still there. It’s just rare. I got one knife in Vanax and am pretty happy with it.
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