C-60 Ayoob Campaign: No I Won't Shut Up

[twinboysdad]

Hoping someone from Spyderco would weigh in on the SE two scallop tip issue. The pic on Knifejoy looked like it had the defect as well.

[Evil D]

Hoping someone from Spyderco would weigh in on the SE two scallop tip issue. The pic on Knifejoy looked like it had the defect as well.

Hard to tell exactly what's going on in that pic. There does appear to be two small serrations at the tip but they definitely look strange compared to the catalog pics.

This is Knifejoy's pic which looks more even to me.

Here's the catalog pic

It just looks to me like the blade angle changes so much at the tip compared to the heel of the blade that the serrations just start to be shaped different by that point. Until we see some more clear pics of this potential issue I don't think I'd freak out just yet.

[ladybug93]

[JD Spydo]

Yeah that's kind of what I'm saying too. I would bet that regardless of the less than perfect look I'm sure it will still cut and perform A-OK. Sure I wish it were perfect too. But on the other hand maybe this is just a problem on that particular knife. We don't know for sure if all the production units turned out that way. I can't imagine Spyderco putting their seal of approval on that serrated edge on that particular blade.

I sure hope there's a plausible explanation for it. But again I bet it cuts all right. But let's wait and get all of the facts shall we?

[troutinCO]

Hoping someone from Spyderco would weigh in on the SE two scallop tip issue. The pic on Knifejoy looked like it had the defect as well.

Hard to tell exactly what's going on in that pic. There does appear to be two small serrations at the tip but they definitely look strange compared to the catalog pics.

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This is Knifejoy's pic which looks more even to me.

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Here's the catalog pic

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It just looks to me like the blade angle changes so much at the tip compared to the heel of the blade that the serrations just start to be shaped different by that point. Until we see some more clear pics of this potential issue I don't think I'd freak out just yet.

I just got back from the SFO. Your blade angle change assumption seems correct to me. Like the blade was held in one position and placed up on the grind wheel, so all the teeth are parallel along the edge. They didn't follow the edge with the wheel, if any of that makes sense.

[JD Spydo]

Hoping someone from Spyderco would weigh in on the SE two scallop tip issue. The pic on Knifejoy looked like it had the defect as well.

Hard to tell exactly what's going on in that pic. There does appear to be two small serrations at the tip but they definitely look strange compared to the catalog pics.

Screenshot_20220806-125944_Chrome.jpg

This is Knifejoy's pic which looks more even to me.

Screenshot_20220806-125913_Chrome.jpg

Here's the catalog pic

Screenshot_20220806-130555_Chrome.jpg


It just looks to me like the blade angle changes so much at the tip compared to the heel of the blade that the serrations just start to be shaped different by that point. Until we see some more clear pics of this potential issue I don't think I'd freak out just yet.

I just got back from the SFO. Your blade angle change assumption seems correct to me. Like the blade was held in one position and placed up on the grind wheel, so all the teeth are parallel along the edge. They didn't follow the edge with the wheel, if any of that makes sense.

OK with all of that being said do you think that it's going to affect the overall performance of that blade? Or is it just a minor flaw in the "Looks Department"? I fully plan on using my full SE version of this bad boy so the strange looking serration pattern isn't going to bother me very much all. But again I do hope that only a few of the units have this MINOR BLOOP

[troutinCO]

I doubt it affects anything performance-wise. It looks odd if you look at it closely, but when I first walked up to it I didn't see it at first. Id say it is a visual thing.
If you really (want to drive yourself crazy) look closely you can see the distortion seems to start happening at the heel end of the edge too. Makes sense as there really is no flat spot to that edge and the edge curve doesn't start at the heel it would seem. I noticed that on the model at the store, some photos show it too.

[resonanzmacher]

Out of the box the thing that grabs me the most is actually the slimness of the handles.

[jwbnyc]

Thanks for the pictures!

I’m thinking serrated ftw.

[JD Spydo]

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Out of the box the thing that grabs me the most is actually the slimness of the handles.

The 2001-02 Original C-60 model and even it's 2011 Sprint runs both had slender handles. Now the 2011 unit with G-10 handles was just a bit thicker than the original but not much by comparison.

I'm sure they stayed with many aspects of the original C-60 model.

[ladybug93]

my caribbean has a flawed serration. it really irritates me because of how it looks. i even sent it back to spyderco and they didn't seem to care or think anything was wrong with it. i ended up just letting it go and carrying it anyway.

these things really don't make a difference other than looks. that said, i hope mine is ground better like in the product photos.

[twinboysdad]

Why did the original Ayoob along with the G10 reboot not have the wonky SE? Is this not the same maker from the other runs? I will say straight up, I will get a PE if the two my local shop gets have the possible defect

[Buddafucco]

I just got back from the SFO. Your blade angle change assumption seems correct to me. Like the blade was held in one position and placed up on the grind wheel, so all the teeth are parallel along the edge. They didn't follow the edge with the wheel, if any of that makes sense.

This sounds right. It's just visual on mine. That big scallop towards the tip is dished at a slightly different angle.
It's raining here so i can't go outside to get better pics right now.

JD... My first impressions... This knife is excellent! Ayoob August is happening.

[troutinCO]

Cool, it seemed to just be a visual thing to me. It would not be anything to keep me from buying the knife, even with my ocd's.

[resonanzmacher]

So that's a close up of the area that people have been talking about with respect to the serration on the Ayoob. The angle of the serrations remain consistent even as the edge rises to the tip, which gives them an inconsistent appearance. On the other hand I can't think of a reason this'd actually impact cutting performance along the edge, and it leaves a strong tip for piercing, so if anything I'm mildly curious as to whether the unique tip geometry ends up having its own uses.

None of that's going to matter to people who just don't like the asymmetrical look of the serrations on the tip, but to me it's not really something that gets my attention as I hold the knife. It's the slim build that jumps out at me more.

The way the skinny G-10 scales keep the handles from being bulky despite the full metal liners and lock and spacer is a very underrated aspect of this design.

[Enactive]

I just got back from the SFO. Your blade angle change assumption seems correct to me. Like the blade was held in one position and placed up on the grind wheel, so all the teeth are parallel along the edge. They didn't follow the edge with the wheel, if any of that makes sense.

This sounds right. It's just visual on mine. That big scallop towards the tip is dished at a slightly different angle.
It's raining here so i can't go outside to get better pics right now.

JD... My first impressions... This knife is excellent! Ayoob August is happening.

Thanks, Beau.

Looks like you've kept the clip tip down. Have you tried tip up or any intention to try it?

[Matus]

Guys, the tip is fine. Enjoy it :)

[Woodpuppy]

It’s interesting the serrations have that rounded, sharpened-down look those in the know seem to be after. Ought to be a slicing demon!

[Buddafucco]

Thanks, Beau.

Looks like you've kept the clip tip down. Have you tried tip up or any intention to try it?

Those were "out of the box" photos. I've already swapped the clips to tip up. I wasn't expecting the Phillips-head clip screws.

[JD Spydo]

I just got back from the SFO. Your blade angle change assumption seems correct to me. Like the blade was held in one position and placed up on the grind wheel, so all the teeth are parallel along the edge. They didn't follow the edge with the wheel, if any of that makes sense.

This sounds right. It's just visual on mine. That big scallop towards the tip is dished at a slightly different angle.
It's raining here so i can't go outside to get better pics right now.

JD... My first impressions... This knife is excellent! Ayoob August is happening.

Hey thanks for that timely and accurate report "Buddafucco". Those serrations shown in your photos are quite similar to the ones on my old Spyderco AUS-8, Full SE Catcherman model that I've owned and loved for close to 20 years now. And if most of you who read some of my posts will remember I have bragged about that old full SE Catcherman on several occasions throughout the years. It's one of my all time favorite full SE Spyderco models.

Those serrations I just seen on your photos are so close to the ones on the old AUS-8, SE Catcherman that I have no doubt at all that this is going to be a great "hard use" model in both PE & SE. Actually that makes me want it much more now than I did previously..

With the superior edge performance of CRUWEAR on the plain edged models Spyderco has used it on I have no doubt that both edge types are going to be great. I'm now extremely excited about testing the full SE C-60 Ayoob Sprint Run that I'm sure I'll be landing within the next month. Bottom Line: I'll take "function" over "looks" any day of the week.