C-60 Ayoob Campaign: No I Won't Shut Up

[JD Spydo]

I think the way the C-60 was designed makes it a great utility knife, even though I've never owned one. Especially in SE, with the angle the blade is in relation to the handle.

I wish I'd gotten an original back when they were part of the lineup.

Jim

Jim I've been EDCing one of my 2011 Sprint Run C-60 models with the G-10 handle/scales for at least 4 months now. And I've been totally blown away at how versatile the C-60 is for everyday chores. Previously I had been EDCing my M390 Military for over 4 and half years. No doubt that the M390 blade on the Military model is far superior to the VG-10 blade on my C-60 Ayoob. But the C-60 blade with the streamlined design is more versatile than the Military model.

Both knives are great Spyderco models for sure. But a C-60 Ayoob model with a premium supersteel blade might be one I could EDC for years under the right circumstances. Most people regard the C-60 as strictly a self defense blade>> but I'm here to tell everyone it's much more than that.

[James Y]

I think the way the C-60 was designed makes it a great utility knife, even though I've never owned one. Especially in SE, with the angle the blade is in relation to the handle.

I wish I'd gotten an original back when they were part of the lineup.

Jim

I recently got a used original, and at first it is definitely unusual to use. The best way I can describe it is, the edge makes contact way before your brain expects it to. I know that sounds weird but that's what surprises me every time I open a box or something. The opening arc is a little strange feeling too because it's shorter than most knives.

Thanks for sharing this, David! What you say makes perfect sense. I’m hoping I’ll get my hands on one to experience myself, and hope it doesn’t cost a CRK-level price.

Jim

[James Y]

I think the way the C-60 was designed makes it a great utility knife, even though I've never owned one. Especially in SE, with the angle the blade is in relation to the handle.

I wish I'd gotten an original back when they were part of the lineup.

Jim

Jim I've been EDCing one of my 2011 Sprint Run C-60 models with the G-10 handle/scales for at least 4 months now. And I've been totally blown away at how versatile the C-60 is for everyday chores. Previously I had been EDCing my M390 Military for over 4 and half years. No doubt that the M390 blade on the Military model is far superior to the VG-10 blade on my C-60 Ayoob. But the C-60 blade with the streamlined design is more versatile than the Military model.

Both knives are great Spyderco models for sure. But a C-60 Ayoob model with a premium supersteel blade might be one I could EDC for years under the right circumstances. Most people regard the C-60 as strictly a self defense blade>> but I'm here to tell everyone it's much more than that.

Joe,

Right now, I’m kinda hoping beyond hope that it comes out in Magnacut, but I doubt it will, especially being a Japanese model. I can imagine that Magnacut will mostly be used on Golden models, at least when it first debuts in the regular lineup, and for sometime afterwards.

Jim

[Jim Malone]

I have to respectfully disagree that Mr Ayoob did not try to build the ultimate SD knife. The whole concept of the handle angle to the blade has only one reason. Making shure the point is in a straight line with the large bones in your arm. Designed so if you stab something with a natural arc of your arm the point moves in a straight line into the target.
The fact that the knife is also a good EDC blade is secondary. Mr Ayoob was a prolific writer in self defense matters in the pre internet time and there is no doubt in my mind that the angle he chose was because he wanted to design a great EDC knife! He designed it so if you stab someone with it will penetrate in the best possible angle. The same reason the blade profile is slim and stabby. The same applies to the handle angle of the colt 1911. Most knowable people feel the angle of the grip makes the muzzle point straight forward along the forearm. These tools where designed for a reason and so was the ayoob c-60. As a pure self defense blade. Some people might not like this. Spyderco has developed MBC oriented blades in the past where the main purpose was Self Defense and the C-60 was one of them. You might question my " self defense provinance" and think i'm a armchairm rambo. I don't have to prove anything to anyone about my curriculum or what i did in the past. What or with whom i trained with is not important. But trying to change history and give the impression Mas Ayoob designed the C-60 to be the best sheeple friendly gentlemans apple peeler is just not true. I have the G10 version myself. I didn't buy the aluminium handled version back in the days because having a slick handle in aluminium was less optimal for my needs and i needed it for what it was designed for. My views might make me inpopular in this thread but i think that we should honour the designer for what he tried to accomplish and not change it because it also makes a good EDC knife as well.

[wrdwrght]

I find no fault with this statement by Jim Malone. I think it’s factually correct AND in line with this thread’s purpose.

My deep objection to SD talk arises when the point of it is to extol a personal prowess that the talker either declares or implies.

[Evil D]

I'm not sure anyone is trying to make this knife into a sheeple friendly apple peeler, but that whole argument is the same as anti gun people telling me guns are only for murdering people when going to the range and shooting a target is clean safe fun. The fact that this knife works so well in uses beyond being a murder tool is a testament to good ergonomic design, simple as that. I don't think being a great apple peeler makes it any less murderable, people are just pointing out the various qualities of the design.

[James Y]

I find no fault with this statement by Jim Malone. I think it’s factually correct AND in line with this thread’s purpose.

My deep objection to SD talk arises when the point of it is to extol a personal prowess that the talker either declares or implies.

I did contribute a bit in this thread on that topic, but my post was only about the varying effects of certain things on the human body, which I started learning about in graphic detail during court trials, starting in the ‘90s, as a court reporter. I also researched stuff about it on my own, out of personal interest. So I was not personally implying any prowess or expertise in knife combat or knife SD (as I also mentioned at the end of my post). And anything I (or anyone else) shares in my Martial Arts Experiences thread in OT is shared for the sake of discussion, so we can learn from it, with zero intention of making myself seem great. Many times, it’s quite the opposite.

Back on topic, I would say that the C-60 may be one of those SD-inspired designs that also happens to excel at utility, as Joe and others would tell you.

Jim

[wrdwrght]

I find no fault with this statement by Jim Malone. I think it’s factually correct AND in line with this thread’s purpose.

My deep objection to SD talk arises when the point of it is to extol a personal prowess that the talker either declares or implies.

I did contribute a bit in this thread on that topic, but my post was only about the varying effects of certain things on the human body, which I started learning about in graphic detail during court trials, starting in the ‘90s, as a court reporter. I also researched stuff about it on my own, out of personal interest. So I was not personally implying any prowess or expertise in knife combat or knife SD (as I also mentioned at the end of my post). And anything I (or anyone else) shares in my Martial Arts Experiences thread in OT is shared for the sake of discussion, so we can learn from it, with zero intention of making myself seem great. Many times, it’s quite the opposite.

Back on topic, I would say that the C-60 may be one of those SD-inspired designs that also happens to excel at utility, as Joe and others would tell you.

Jim

My comments were not aimed at you, Jim (or at Jim Malone).

As a piece, they were intended to vent my anger at the derailment of a rather remarkable thread that some escalating dickishness (here for all to see) has caused.

Absent bragging and hectoring, SD talk is certainly reasonable to have on this forum. After all, SD is an issue that concerns each of us and is an emphasis of our hosts. I just happen to think this forum is not the best and last place to get needed guidance.

[Naperville]

I find no fault with this statement by Jim Malone. I think it’s factually correct AND in line with this thread’s purpose.

My deep objection to SD talk arises when the point of it is to extol a personal prowess that the talker either declares or implies.

I agree! Bahala Na!

[JD Spydo]

I have to respectfully disagree that Mr Ayoob did not try to build the ultimate SD knife. The whole concept of the handle angle to the blade has only one reason. Making shure the point is in a straight line with the large bones in your arm. Designed so if you stab something with a natural arc of your arm the point moves in a straight line into the target.
The fact that the knife is also a good EDC blade is secondary. Mr Ayoob was a prolific writer in self defense matters in the pre internet time and there is no doubt in my mind that the angle he chose was because he wanted to design a great EDC knife! He designed it so if you stab someone with it will penetrate in the best possible angle. The same reason the blade profile is slim and stabby. The same applies to the handle angle of the colt 1911. Most knowable people feel the angle of the grip makes the muzzle point straight forward along the forearm. These tools where designed for a reason and so was the ayoob c-60. As a pure self defense blade. Some people might not like this. Spyderco has developed MBC oriented blades in the past where the main purpose was Self Defense and the C-60 was one of them. You might question my " self defense provinance" and think i'm a armchairm rambo. I don't have to prove anything to anyone about my curriculum or what i did in the past. What or with whom i trained with is not important. But trying to change history and give the impression Mas Ayoob designed the C-60 to be the best sheeple friendly gentlemans apple peeler is just not true. I have the G10 version myself. I didn't buy the aluminium handled version back in the days because having a slick handle in aluminium was less optimal for my needs and i needed it for what it was designed for. My views might make me inpopular in this thread but i think that we should honour the designer for what he tried to accomplish and not change it because it also makes a good EDC knife as well.

Hey Jim Malone I've read your post slowly and I do agree with a lot of what you said. And I do believe that Mr. Ayoob certainly had ideas of how the blade design could be implemented for self defense uses without any doubt at all.

The point I was trying to make and maybe I didn't communicate it very efficiently was that I seriously doubt if Mr. Massad Ayoob ever intended his great C-60 design to take the place of a modern firearm>> or even a number of other modern weapons for that matter>> or to rely on any knife at all to be your primary self defense weapon.

I read several of his great articles over the years and especially the ones he wrote for "BackWoodsHome" magazine. I actually had a subscription to that magazine at one point. But all of those articles that he wrote were mainly about self defense with the proper use of firearms. I just don't think he was thinking that his knife would take the place of a modern firearm. That's what I was trying to convey. And there is most definitely a case to be made that as great of a blade design as the C-60 was/is that it might indeed be the very best knife for SD uses you can get. It's my favorite for sure.

[Rp5]

I think the way the C-60 was designed makes it a great utility knife, even though I've never owned one. Especially in SE, with the angle the blade is in relation to the handle.

I wish I'd gotten an original back when they were part of the lineup.

Jim

Jim I've been EDCing one of my 2011 Sprint Run C-60 models with the G-10 handle/scales for at least 4 months now. And I've been totally blown away at how versatile the C-60 is for everyday chores. Previously I had been EDCing my M390 Military for over 4 and half years. No doubt that the M390 blade on the Military model is far superior to the VG-10 blade on my C-60 Ayoob. But the C-60 blade with the streamlined design is more versatile than the Military model.

Both knives are great Spyderco models for sure. But a C-60 Ayoob model with a premium supersteel blade might be one I could EDC for years under the right circumstances. Most people regard the C-60 as strictly a self defense blade>> but I'm here to tell everyone it's much more than that.

Joe,

Right now, I’m kinda hoping beyond hope that it comes out in Magnacut, but I doubt it will, especially being a Japanese model. I can imagine that Magnacut will mostly be used on Golden models, at least when it first debuts in the regular lineup, and for sometime afterwards.

Jim

Sadly I somewhat hope it doesn't come in Magnacut. I think JD has done such a good job stirring up hype for this long awaited re-run that the C-60 sales will surprise us when they come to pass. If the added pressure of Magna-cut were added to the mix - I don't think I'd be able to get one. This is the last Spyderco on my "got-to-have-it" list for the next year or so, so I'd be perfectly happy with S45VN or LC200N or even one of the non-stainless super retention tool steels. (To be honest, I'd be perfectly happy with VG-10 or S30V too, but I think Sal hinted it would be a fun steel.)

[James Y]

I think the way the C-60 was designed makes it a great utility knife, even though I've never owned one. Especially in SE, with the angle the blade is in relation to the handle.

I wish I'd gotten an original back when they were part of the lineup.

Jim

Jim I've been EDCing one of my 2011 Sprint Run C-60 models with the G-10 handle/scales for at least 4 months now. And I've been totally blown away at how versatile the C-60 is for everyday chores. Previously I had been EDCing my M390 Military for over 4 and half years. No doubt that the M390 blade on the Military model is far superior to the VG-10 blade on my C-60 Ayoob. But the C-60 blade with the streamlined design is more versatile than the Military model.

Both knives are great Spyderco models for sure. But a C-60 Ayoob model with a premium supersteel blade might be one I could EDC for years under the right circumstances. Most people regard the C-60 as strictly a self defense blade>> but I'm here to tell everyone it's much more than that.

Joe,

Right now, I’m kinda hoping beyond hope that it comes out in Magnacut, but I doubt it will, especially being a Japanese model. I can imagine that Magnacut will mostly be used on Golden models, at least when it first debuts in the regular lineup, and for sometime afterwards.

Jim

Sadly I somewhat hope it doesn't come in Magnacut. I think JD has done such a good job stirring up hype for this long awaited re-run that the C-60 sales will surprise us when they come to pass. If the added pressure of Magna-cut were added to the mix - I don't think I'd be able to get one. This is the last Spyderco on my "got-to-have-it" list for the next year or so, so I'd be perfectly happy with S45VN or LC200N or even one of the non-stainless super retention tool steels. (To be honest, I'd be perfectly happy with VG-10 or S30V too, but I think Sal hinted it would be a fun steel.)

TBH, I’d also be happy with LC200N (even if it’s not FFG). I would like S45VN, but would it be used in a Seki knife? How about SPY27? That might be a cool possibility.

Jim

[skeeg11]

I'm not sure anyone is trying to make this knife into a sheeple friendly apple peeler, but that whole argument is the same as anti gun people telling me guns are only for murdering people when going to the range and shooting a target is clean safe fun. The fact that this knife works so well in uses beyond being a murder tool is a testament to good ergonomic design, simple as that. I don't think being a great apple peeler makes it any less murderable, people are just pointing out the various qualities of the design.

+1
Very well stated.

I'm looking at the Ayoob for other functional purposes and whether I get one or two depends upon the steel chosen. For me, the PE and SE are two totally different knives and would serve different purposes. Ideally, two different steels would be used for each as I prefer more wear resistant steels for PE than SE. Would I get one of each if only one steel was used? Depends................

[JD Spydo]

I'm not sure anyone is trying to make this knife into a sheeple friendly apple peeler, but that whole argument is the same as anti gun people telling me guns are only for murdering people when going to the range and shooting a target is clean safe fun. The fact that this knife works so well in uses beyond being a murder tool is a testament to good ergonomic design, simple as that. I don't think being a great apple peeler makes it any less murderable, people are just pointing out the various qualities of the design.

+1
Very well stated.

I'm looking at the Ayoob for other functional purposes and whether I get one or two depends upon the steel chosen. For me, the PE and SE are two totally different knives and would serve different purposes. Ideally, two different steels would be used for each as I prefer more wear resistant steels for PE than SE. Would I get one of each if only one steel was used? Depends................

I couldn't agree with you more. Because the fully serrated version of the Ayoob is a beast all it's own>>it even supersedes most every other full SE blade that I've ever used of Spyderco's

And the plain edged version is good for everything from skinning a deer ( and it does an excellent job of that) to opening a package you received from the UPS driver.

But you can't be more accurate than what you just stated. And I could add at least 10 more advantages to each edge type of the C-60 Ayoob model. I do believe when it's finally released that Spyderco won't pacify us with only one run. NO!! I believe the demand will be exponential !!

[p_atrick]

Joe,

Right now, I’m kinda hoping beyond hope that it comes out in Magnacut, but I doubt it will, especially being a Japanese model. I can imagine that Magnacut will mostly be used on Golden models, at least when it first debuts in the regular lineup, and for sometime afterwards.

Jim

Buried back in this thread is a message from Sal where he nonchalantly said the steel for this model would be shipped from the US to Japan. Nothing else was said about it. I believe the comment was made well before Magnacut was publicly discussed (though I'm sure Sal knew about it well before info was made public). I'm not saying it will come in Magnacut (or even that it is likely), but I am excited by a US mystery steel coming on this highly anticipated model.

[Rp5]

SPY27 would be very cool.

[JD Spydo]

Joe,

Right now, I’m kinda hoping beyond hope that it comes out in Magnacut, but I doubt it will, especially being a Japanese model. I can imagine that Magnacut will mostly be used on Golden models, at least when it first debuts in the regular lineup, and for sometime afterwards.

Jim

Buried back in this thread is a message from Sal where he nonchalantly said the steel for this model would be shipped from the US to Japan. Nothing else was said about it. I believe the comment was made well before Magnacut was publicly discussed (though I'm sure Sal knew about it well before info was made public). I'm not saying it will come in Magnacut (or even that it is likely), but I am excited by a US mystery steel coming on this highly anticipated model.

As much as I'm anxious as a kid on Christmas morning for this new C-60 Ayoob to be released I will say that I will be content with any Japanese or USA or German blade steel that they might elect to use in this new Sprint Run ( PE & SE).

If Sal picked a high end blade steel from either Crucible, Carpenter or Bohler Uddeholm I have no doubt that the C-60 Ayoob will be a smashing success irrespective of which steel that they finally decide upon using in the C-60 Sprint Run. And if they are wanting to use something like LC200N on the serrated version that's fine too.

I think we are all going to be extremely happy when this much anticipated project comes to fruition. I think that our patient waiting is going to pay a huge dividend when it's all said and done.

[Evil D]

I would be ecstatic to see it come out in MagnaCut, especially with a SE variant because my next obsession is going to be wanting to try SE MagnaCut, and this would be an awesome model to try it out on. My gut feeling is that it's going to be Spy27 though.

[ladybug93]

I would be ecstatic to see it come out in MagnaCut, especially with a SE variant because my next obsession is going to be wanting to try SE MagnaCut, and this would be an awesome model to try it out on. My gut feeling is that it's going to be Spy27 though.

magnacut would be great, but i almost wish it would be a lesser steel that won't attract people that only want to flip them. a sprint in magnacut is sure to sell out quickly and be 3x as expensive on ebay three minutes later. it may happen anyway, but even vg10 would make that less likely and would be good enough for me in a knife like this.

[Evil D]

I would be ecstatic to see it come out in MagnaCut, especially with a SE variant because my next obsession is going to be wanting to try SE MagnaCut, and this would be an awesome model to try it out on. My gut feeling is that it's going to be Spy27 though.

magnacut would be great, but i almost wish it would be a lesser steel that won't attract people that only want to flip them. a sprint in magnacut is sure to sell out quickly and be 3x as expensive on ebay three minutes later. it may happen anyway, but even vg10 would make that less likely and would be good enough for me in a knife like this.

I get what you're saying but I also think any flipper who pays attention to anything already knows that this model is going to be hot, I think the impending doom is inevitable. MagnaCut definitely wouldn't slow it down though. Feels a little crazy to want something "less" just to keep others from potentially taking it from me.