Police research

[Higher]

I read the forum for 20 years before starting to write. It seems to me that I have learned a lot during this time. But this is the first time I have heard this story.

It was designed at the request of a LEO that loved the cutting power of the "Mariner", but wanted one with a point. So the design was the result of that request. I thought to call it "LaSal", but thought that was way too much ego, So we called it the Police Model, because of the request, and engraved Pride Integrity Guts on the blade with the PG larger and darker.
sal

Sal, thank you for giving us knowledge.

I'm trying to gather information to update/correct the spydiewiki article on the C07 Police...... Anyone who can answer even one will add to my meager knowledge.

I have been trying to find answers to questions regarding Spyderco Police for a long time. I wanted to start a new topic, but I found this one.
Very little information exists for us. We want to find this information. I'll ask a few questions here later.

What's the possibility f starting a list to crab all f the models?
sal

I think that together we will make a list.

[yablanowitz]

I will photograph my collection and post individual pictures, but it will take some time, and I need to buy a new computer first. I've been working entirely on my phone, and it just takes too long.



As you can see, it will take a while. It runs from a PIG first generation to a lightweight P4.

[SG89]

Yablanowitz - Which are your top 3 Police models you own?

[yablanowitz]

Define "top 3". My 3 most carried are a first generation serrated, a G-10 P4 factory second that I added a swedge tip on, and a serrated titanium/ATS-34 that carries a little lighter than the stainless model without dragging on fabric the way G-10 does.

[Hoot Gibson]

FWIW, I have two first gen Police.

One is a serrated "PIG" marked, square edge handles, flat grind, forward lock release, blade has longer false edge than later models.

The other is a serrated "Police Model" marked, square edge handles, flat grind, forward lock release, shorter false edge, blade is much like later models. Maybe a transition, with 1st gen handles and 2nd gen blade?


I also have a question. I have an aluminum handled Police, no "Police" marking on blade, G-2, with raised, rounded pins. I can't tell if it's coated or not, since this is the only one I've seen in person. The handles aren't dark gray, but they don't look to be bare aluminum. There's a small ding on the handle that looks much shinier than the rest of the handle. I'm guessing it's coated, but I'm not sure. I'd appreciate any clarification.

I can post photos if anyone wants them.

[SG89]

Define "top 3". My 3 most carried are a first generation serrated, a G-10 P4 factory second that I added a swedge tip on, and a serrated titanium/ATS-34 that carries a little lighter than the stainless model without dragging on fabric the way G-10 does.

What about your top 3 favorite/"glad you own them" ?

[yablanowitz]

The ones with the domed pins are Tufram coated aluminum. In my photo above, the last two on the right side of the first row are uncoated aluminum. The first, second and fourth on the next row are Tufram coated aluminum.

[yablanowitz]

Define "top 3". My 3 most carried are a first generation serrated, a G-10 P4 factory second that I added a swedge tip on, and a serrated titanium/ATS-34 that carries a little lighter than the stainless model without dragging on fabric the way G-10 does.

What about your top 3 favorite/"glad you own them" ?

Probably the PIG (it took 14 years to land that one), the blackout and the CF.

[Hoot Gibson]

The ones with the domed pins are Tufram coated aluminum. In my photo above, the last two on the right side of the first row are uncoated aluminum. The first, second and fourth on the next row are Tufram coated aluminum.

Awesome, thanks! :) I've been wondering about that for quite a while.

[Higher]

I will photograph my collection and post individual pictures, but it will take some time, and I need to buy a new computer first. I've been working entirely on my phone, and it just takes too long.

You have a very good collection of spyderco. It makes me happy that this is Spyderco Police :)

FWIW, I have two first gen Police.

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The other is a serrated "Police Model" marked, square edge handles, flat grind, forward lock release, shorter false edge, blade is much like later models. Maybe a transition, with 1st gen handles and 2nd gen blade?
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I can post photos if anyone wants them.

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It is very interesting. I previously wrote about such a knife and I had a similar version. There was also a question about the diameter of the spyderhole.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86220.

I have some thoughts on this and am preparing materials for the wiki. Your photos and versions are very important.

[Hoot Gibson]

HIgher, I checked both of my 1st gen Police, and five later models, and all were 11.8 mm (or very close). None were 10.8.

It may take me a couple of days, but I'll post photos of my 1st gen Police, and a couple of others you might want. I'd be very happy to see wiki get updated, thank you!

[elena86]

I will photograph my collection and post individual pictures, but it will take some time, and I need to buy a new computer first. I've been working entirely on my phone, and it just takes too long.



As you can see, it will take a while. It runs from a PIG first generation to a lightweight P4.

I've seen your collection before and every single time it makes me gelous. You are the man ! The POLICE man

[yablanowitz]

FWIW, I have two first gen Police.

One is a serrated "PIG" marked, square edge handles, flat grind, forward lock release, blade has longer false edge than later models.

The other is a serrated "Police Model" marked, square edge handles, flat grind, forward lock release, shorter false edge, blade is much like later models. Maybe a transition, with 1st gen handles and 2nd gen blade?

I suppose it's possible, but I wouldn't bet that way. The lock redesign between first and second generation would have changed the lock geometry substantially. I can't see the new blade working in the old handle, but I'm not going to tear any of mine apart to try it.

[Hoot Gibson]

Duh, I didn't think about that! Could be. Also could be that the blade is the same, and the changes were in the lock bar and pin placement (and the handle unlock depression). I agree that we probably can't know without taking them apart and comparing, and I'm with you, mine aren't coming apart.

Maybe just a change in blade shape, or as Sal said somewhere in another thread, different people grinding the false edge?

The flat grind bevel also looks to be shorter (lower) than the later models, with more height left above the grind. I'll post photos in the next couple of days, so it'll be easier to understand my poor description.

[Higher]

... In my photo above, the last two on the right side of the first row are uncoated aluminum. ...

I have a question about these spyderco police aluminum uncoated. Are they both with a serrated edge?

[yablanowitz]

... In my photo above, the last two on the right side of the first row are uncoated aluminum. ...

I have a question about these spyderco police aluminum uncoated. Are they both with a serrated edge?

No. The first one is plain edge, with POLICE MODEL on the blade, SPYDERCO tang stamp with no steel marking. The second is serrated with nothing on the flat of the blade, SPYDERCO G2 Stainless tang stamp.

[yablanowitz]

Duh, I didn't think about that! Could be. Also could be that the blade is the same, and the changes were in the lock bar and pin placement (and the handle unlock depression). I agree that we probably can't know without taking them apart and comparing, and I'm with you, mine aren't coming apart.

Maybe just a change in blade shape, or as Sal said somewhere in another thread, different people grinding the false edge?

The flat grind bevel also looks to be shorter (lower) than the later models, with more height left above the grind. I'll post photos in the next couple of days, so it'll be easier to understand my poor description.

I got mine out in preperation for taking pictures and started doing some comparisons. I believe the swedge was shortened sometime after the second production run to keep it entirely within the handle when closed so that it could be sharpened by the end user.

[sal]

Hi,

I am humbled and honored that some of you would choose to collect variations of my design. ...and follow the evolution across the years. Thanx Much.

sal

[yablanowitz]

As Sal said, it started with the C02 Mariner.






But it needed a point.

[yablanowitz]

After the first, PIG marked run, CQI began. The swedge was shortened to allow it to be sharpened without it being exposed when the knife was closed.