PRICING
PRICING
IS NOT in-line with inflation. Less the price of chicken or pork due to coronavirus issues
Haven't bought a spyderco in months
Sorry for rant and post, just had to let you know
I understand there're many hands in the cookie jar. But, unless something is done I won't be buying
For example $168 for siren? Like the design, just not paying that
Long time buyer, collector, user in case you're wondering
*EDIT* CAVED IN AND PURCHASED THE SIREN
Siren...worth every penny. They really knocked it out of the park with this one. Action is very smooth as always from Golden.
Don't know why I even questioned it??
Very similar to the Goddard I gave to my dad.
Thanks for everything you guys do
Had some nice stock profits recently that justified my need for more steel
Haven't bought a spyderco in months
Sorry for rant and post, just had to let you know
I understand there're many hands in the cookie jar. But, unless something is done I won't be buying
For example $168 for siren? Like the design, just not paying that
Long time buyer, collector, user in case you're wondering
*EDIT* CAVED IN AND PURCHASED THE SIREN
Siren...worth every penny. They really knocked it out of the park with this one. Action is very smooth as always from Golden.
Don't know why I even questioned it??
Very similar to the Goddard I gave to my dad.
Thanks for everything you guys do
Had some nice stock profits recently that justified my need for more steel
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Well, it is a free market and we all get to decide what is a good value and what isn’t. Just keep voting with your wallet and let the market sort the rest out.
The prices of most things are outpacing inflation in my opinion.
I personally agree that the value is lacking with some models. I am pretty much done buying most of the Seki models. The Siren doesn’t seem too bad to me though. It’s made in Golden with an exotic steel. There isn’t much else out there like it.
The prices of most things are outpacing inflation in my opinion.
I personally agree that the value is lacking with some models. I am pretty much done buying most of the Seki models. The Siren doesn’t seem too bad to me though. It’s made in Golden with an exotic steel. There isn’t much else out there like it.
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Your money, your choice as to how you spend it.
Me, I don't see Sal and his family as greedy, so I assume prices are based on total costs plus a reasonable profit margin. I also know costs include more than just the cost of the material and labor it took to produce a knife in Golden or the price set by the foreign maker to produce it. There are also things like shipping, insurance, advertising, and operational costs. On collaboration models, the designer must also be paid. Then too, there are things like the amortization of the expense they incurred expanding the Golden factory and the R&D costs associated with each new model and each CQI improvement to an existing one. And I suspect that list is not complete.
Me, I don't see Sal and his family as greedy, so I assume prices are based on total costs plus a reasonable profit margin. I also know costs include more than just the cost of the material and labor it took to produce a knife in Golden or the price set by the foreign maker to produce it. There are also things like shipping, insurance, advertising, and operational costs. On collaboration models, the designer must also be paid. Then too, there are things like the amortization of the expense they incurred expanding the Golden factory and the R&D costs associated with each new model and each CQI improvement to an existing one. And I suspect that list is not complete.
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It is not just American inflation. USD against foreign currency, cost of foreign parts, labor, and a whole lot more. Even in the USA, with USA made knives, the costs keep rising. Some businesses have to pay manual labor as much as a PhD makes. Then, there is the cost of medical insurance, which is really high since Obama Care for all of my business owner friends, hourly wages, electricity (Spyderco is not on TVA!), and other cost overheads. There are many things I am not mentioning, but the idea is presented clearly. There are a lot of knives I would love to buy from Spyderco, but with the exchange rate as it is, I do not buy them. I stick to what will not get me in the dog house with my wife. Just do that. Be sane. Costs are what they are.
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Re: PRICING
It's an old discussion at this point, ever since MAP was introduced at least.
I think it helps to look at price as part of the design. Is it a feature on the knife that I appreciate? Is it something I can live with? If neither, I pass on the knife, just like any other part of the design.
I think it helps to look at price as part of the design. Is it a feature on the knife that I appreciate? Is it something I can live with? If neither, I pass on the knife, just like any other part of the design.
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Value is always going to have an element of subjectivity to it, but I see Spyderco as providing a lot of knife for the money one pays, especially when compared to some other makers.
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LC200N is actually really expensive. You wont be getting a steel designed by NASA for cheap.
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I wouldn't consider LC200N expensive. I can get it myself, for a pretty reasonable price. M4 is similar in price.
Vanax/cron... THAT'S expensive.
Vanax/cron... THAT'S expensive.
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Honestly for me it seems like the sprint runs have been at wonderful values lately compared to production models or some exclusives. The Manix 2 rex 45 and PM2 S45VN were good prices. So I am finding more value in Golden sprint runs (again this is just my opinion based on my needs/available money). Production models out of Seki just don't do it for me anymore. I strongly prefer G10 to FRN. There is great value in the straight spine stretch but at the end of the day the Manix2 rex kicked it out of my pocket.
The Watu is expensive but you do get 20cv and I love the design. The swayback is $270ish and it has a framelock (not my favorite), no wire clip (meh) blade is on the thick side (roadie-esque). Not sure I can justify the cost for my preferences. But other people can and should bc it's going to be a well built knife and good on spyderco for making it.
For everyone feeling left out by wages not increasing and cost of living increasing, at least we have the annual discontinued list. Wish ebay coupons was still a thing. Maybe it will make a comeback. I feel like record unemployment will cause luxury retailers (aka knafs) to have more sales.
The Watu is expensive but you do get 20cv and I love the design. The swayback is $270ish and it has a framelock (not my favorite), no wire clip (meh) blade is on the thick side (roadie-esque). Not sure I can justify the cost for my preferences. But other people can and should bc it's going to be a well built knife and good on spyderco for making it.
For everyone feeling left out by wages not increasing and cost of living increasing, at least we have the annual discontinued list. Wish ebay coupons was still a thing. Maybe it will make a comeback. I feel like record unemployment will cause luxury retailers (aka knafs) to have more sales.
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For me its the size of my collection that is the problem.
Spending $200 on one tool that you will use every day for the rest of your life seems reasonable.
Having a few different versions of that tool for different tasks also seems reasonable. A salt series, a stainless edc, a tool steel/supersteel model for rough stuff.
Now wanting to have a collection of knives is when I have to be honest with myself. Do I really need 10 different models all in the same steel? Do I really need 5 of the same model in different steels?
Spending $200 on one tool that you will use every day for the rest of your life seems reasonable.
Having a few different versions of that tool for different tasks also seems reasonable. A salt series, a stainless edc, a tool steel/supersteel model for rough stuff.
Now wanting to have a collection of knives is when I have to be honest with myself. Do I really need 10 different models all in the same steel? Do I really need 5 of the same model in different steels?
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I must ask where you are looking? From the places I can find, LC200N is $10 cheaper than S30V, for a .125"×1.5"×24" bar.
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I looked around and it appears that cost varies quite a lot, depending on the source. Each of the steels mentioned, has quite a variance.Sumdumguy wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 9:45 amI must ask where you are looking? From the places I can find, LC200N is $10 cheaper than S30V, for a .125"×1.5"×24" bar.
I wonder though, what more buying power would yield, if anything.
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I don't think Spyderco's pricing is unreasonable, considering the quality of the output product.
However, I have to agree that the Seki line can feel sometimes a bit overpriced, but there are some good models still.
The Golden models are amazingly consistent though, while I find some of the sprints to be relatively expensive.
However, I have to agree that the Seki line can feel sometimes a bit overpriced, but there are some good models still.
The Golden models are amazingly consistent though, while I find some of the sprints to be relatively expensive.
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Seki has lost its value to me as a consumer but the value of quality received out of Golden has only improved. For me, the REX Manix Sprint is one of the highest quality knives that I have ever received relative to the cost.
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Yea, they do have a large variance. The cheapest I could find was still $10 more than LC200N.Albatross wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 10:06 amI looked around and it appears that cost varies quite a lot, depending on the source. Each of the steels mentioned, has quite a variance.Sumdumguy wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 9:45 amI must ask where you are looking? From the places I can find, LC200N is $10 cheaper than S30V, for a .125"×1.5"×24" bar.
I wonder though, what more buying power would yield, if anything.
As for buying power, couldn't say. I imagine bulk pricing is based on tonnage.
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.......IF you can buy the sprint/exclusive inside a 30 second window.....then you have to go to the secondary market and really pay an inflated price. With so many drops in the past 2 months I ended up buying 5 knives (4 Para 2's, 1 Manix 2, REC & St. Nick's) on the secondary market that cost me a premium/penalty of $382.Spydergirl88 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 9:01 amHonestly for me it seems like the sprint runs have been at wonderful values lately compared to production models or some exclusives. The Manix 2 rex 45 and PM2 S45VN were good prices.
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I find the vast majority of models/configurations are a good or great value. As others have stated, looking at the recent Rex45 sprints I think they are incredible values, and there are certainly many more to be had... of course different folks will have different needs or wants, which will make some models a better value than others. Voting with ones wallet is the most direct and useful way of expressing your support (or lack there of) for a company and their pricing. :)
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I was lucky and the Manix2 rex45 and cs od green orange exclusive para 3 weren't instant sellouts. I hate having to pay up on the secondary so I try to stay away if I miss out the first time. But I definitely have paid up in the past.CXXX wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 11:14 am.......IF you can buy the sprint/exclusive inside a 30 second window.....then you have to go to the secondary market and really pay an inflated price. With so many drops in the past 2 months I ended up buying 5 knives (4 Para 2's, 1 Manix 2, REC & St. Nick's) on the secondary market that cost me a premium/penalty of $382.Spydergirl88 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 9:01 amHonestly for me it seems like the sprint runs have been at wonderful values lately compared to production models or some exclusives. The Manix 2 rex 45 and PM2 S45VN were good prices.
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- MichaelScott
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I think Spyderco’s prices are fair, more than fair compared to some other makers. If I buy directly from the SFO I know I will be getting an actual, bona fide Spyderco and the support of the entire company. I have three Spydercos, two Para 3s (one LW and one S30V DLC) and a Watu. For my daily needs I prefer the Watu and carry it constantly. Often, I also pocket a Para 3. They both came from SFO and are pretty much close to perfect. I was willing to pay the price because, well, quality, design, Spyderco.
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