"HRC as advertised." Who is accurately listing HRC?
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The last thing we need is an Rc arms race.
I don’t have the faintest clue what Rc any of my Spyderco knives are. Somehow they all work great.
I don’t have the faintest clue what Rc any of my Spyderco knives are. Somehow they all work great.
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Even a toothbrush makes a formidable shank in the right hands.
I'd have to agree that if you don't use your knives it seems strange to worry about a few rc points. You don't need boutique heat treatments to pierce flesh with something pointy.
I'd have to agree that if you don't use your knives it seems strange to worry about a few rc points. You don't need boutique heat treatments to pierce flesh with something pointy.
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Do you test the heat treat on your glocks and the weight of each round of ammo?Naperville wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:09 pmDaggers are illegal in Illinois. I have a few and cannot legally carry any of them.
When looking for a weapon, I look for nothing but the best. My life depends on it. When people carry firearms, they also debate about stopping power and what clothing the target happens to be wearing. Same principles apply to knives.
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That's not quite what I was asking, sorry if I wasn't clear.Naperville wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:04 pmI use to own approx a dozen firearms, now I own none. I sold them when I moved to Silicon Valley. But yes, I bought ammo that would do the most damage to anything that needed to be removed: Cor-Bon high velocity rounds, Black Talon rounds, sabot shotgun rounds....Vivi wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:52 pmDo you test the heat treat on your glocks and the weight of each round of ammo?Naperville wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:09 pmDaggers are illegal in Illinois. I have a few and cannot legally carry any of them.
When looking for a weapon, I look for nothing but the best. My life depends on it. When people carry firearms, they also debate about stopping power and what clothing the target happens to be wearing. Same principles apply to knives.
Do you do anything to test the quality of your guns and ammo besides putting lead downrange?
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As some have said here earlier. HRC, is not the be-all end-all. But it is a piece of the puzzle. Some who ask for it, or see that number. Might not know how to fully process it from there. So many variables. But if we do get an HRC range, from a manufacturer. Say 58-60, and the blade ends up scoring a 55. We should then have some ground to stand on, in sending the knife back. And where does the knife go back to? The Dealer. Then it's the Dealer, and any weight they may have in this situation. To put more pressure on the manufacturer, to do the right thing. More pressure than any individual can push with. Will they though? Who knows.
I do have a Rockwell Tester here nearby, in a friends Tool & Die Shop next door. We use it from time to time. And I've gathered enough information now. From my testing, and from others. That I always feel 100% confident in what Golden is putting out there. The last five knives that I have tested, of mine. Were the Manix 2 Maxamet LW, Para 3 4V, Benchmade 560BK-1 Super Freek M4, Manix 2 4V, and the PM2 Rex 45. Some newer stuff, that REALLY had the steel nerd in me, curious enough, to take the time and poke the blades. You should have seen the smile on my face, each and every time! :D
So it's not Spyderco I have any concerns with. Whether they publish any HRC numbers or not. It's the rest of the world, that has me questioning it from time to time, and much more frequently now. I will never again, from this week forward. Buy another M390 knife, unless it's from Spyderco. If it does not have a published HRC range attached to it. I need some ground to stand on, and if I get a 55 HRC blade from anyone, anymore. There's a good chance it's going back. If it does not fall within, or very near the range published, and if I ever bother to test it. That can only be done, if they published numbers. Most. A vast majority of my knives, I do not test. With some, I don't care nearly as much.
I think I have one of those pictures handy here too. Let me see if I can find it quick.
Yep, here it is. This picture was taken, when poking my PM2 REX 45.
I do have a Rockwell Tester here nearby, in a friends Tool & Die Shop next door. We use it from time to time. And I've gathered enough information now. From my testing, and from others. That I always feel 100% confident in what Golden is putting out there. The last five knives that I have tested, of mine. Were the Manix 2 Maxamet LW, Para 3 4V, Benchmade 560BK-1 Super Freek M4, Manix 2 4V, and the PM2 Rex 45. Some newer stuff, that REALLY had the steel nerd in me, curious enough, to take the time and poke the blades. You should have seen the smile on my face, each and every time! :D
So it's not Spyderco I have any concerns with. Whether they publish any HRC numbers or not. It's the rest of the world, that has me questioning it from time to time, and much more frequently now. I will never again, from this week forward. Buy another M390 knife, unless it's from Spyderco. If it does not have a published HRC range attached to it. I need some ground to stand on, and if I get a 55 HRC blade from anyone, anymore. There's a good chance it's going back. If it does not fall within, or very near the range published, and if I ever bother to test it. That can only be done, if they published numbers. Most. A vast majority of my knives, I do not test. With some, I don't care nearly as much.
I think I have one of those pictures handy here too. Let me see if I can find it quick.
Yep, here it is. This picture was taken, when poking my PM2 REX 45.
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That's awesome you've got convenient access to that machine. Do you happen to own any H1? I think it would be interesting to test out PE and SE and see if there is any difference.SteveMidwest wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:16 pmAs some have said here earlier. HRC, is not the be-all end-all. But it is a piece of the puzzle. Some who ask for it, or see that number. Might not know how to fully process it from there. So many variables. But if we do get an HRC range, from a manufacturer. Say 58-60, and the blade ends up scoring a 55. We should then have some ground to stand on, in sending the knife back. And where does the knife go back to? The Dealer. Then it's the Dealer, and any weight they may have in this situation. To put more pressure on the manufacturer, to do the right thing. More pressure than any individual can push with. Will they though? Who knows.
I do have a Rockwell Tester here nearby, in a friends Tool & Die Shop next door. We use it from time to time. And I've gathered enough information now. From my testing, and from others. That I always feel 100% confident in what Golden is putting out there. The last five knives that I have tested, of mine. Were the Manix 2 Maxamet LW, Para 3 4V, Benchmade 560BK-1 Super Freek M4, Manix 2 4V, and the PM2 Rex 45. Some newer stuff, that REALLY had the steel nerd in me, curious enough, to take the time and poke the blades. You should have seen the smile on my face, each and every time! :D
So it's not Spyderco I have any concerns with. Whether they publish any HRC numbers or not. It's the rest of the world, that has me questioning it from time to time, and much more frequently now. I will never again, from this week forward. Buy another M390 knife, unless it's from Spyderco. If it does not have a published HRC range attached to it. I need some ground to stand on, and if I get a 55 HRC blade from anyone, anymore. There's a good chance it's going back. If it does not fall within, or very near the range published, and if I ever bother to test it. That can only be done, if they published numbers. Most. A vast majority of my knives, I do not test. With some, I don't care nearly as much.
I think I have one of those pictures handy here too. Let me see if I can find it quick.
Yep, here it is. This picture was taken, when poking my PM2 REX 45.
I've always wanted to try that but the initial setup costs and fear I'd muck something up has kept me away. Used to have a buddy that made his own....he saved a lot of money, that's for sure.Naperville wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:25 pmWhen I get back in to shooting I'd like to try NRA F-TR and I'll be making my own ammo.
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For self defense, shouldn't you be more interested in Charpy/Toughness metrics than in HRC ? Any sharp knife will cut, but you wouldn't want the blade to break. Unless you have to cut through high HRC chain-mail, of course. :)Naperville wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:50 pmI do have knives for self defense, the right hardness and HRC come in to play with them too, just as blade shape and PE or SE does.
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[/quote]That's awesome you've got convenient access to that machine. Do you happen to own any H1? I think it would be interesting to test out PE and SE and see if there is any difference.[/quote]
No H1. Sorry Vivi.
No H1. Sorry Vivi.
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Does it work well? Then yes.Naperville wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:51 pmAre you saying that you would be fine with a Benchmade folder in 3V with an HRC of 56? That is what started these discussions two weeks ago.
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So what would change if Benchmade claimed it was 62 Rc? It’s still garbage.Naperville wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:34 pmNO, it did not work well, and Super Steel Steve bent the beans out of it. It's garbage.
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zhyla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:05 pmSo what would change if Benchmade claimed it was 62 Rc? It’s still garbage.Naperville wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:34 pmNO, it did not work well, and Super Steel Steve bent the beans out of it. It's garbage.
Well, that wouldn't be "accurately listing" as the thread title says.
Wouldn't you say that 56 HRC is sub-optimal for CPM 3V?
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