A plea to Spyderco:
Re: A plea to Spyderco:
I’m all for thinner edges. For most people I don’t think this makes the edge less sturdy. It makes a huge difference in cutting ability though. Thin edges should be the default.
Most modern knife enthusiasts don’t have a good reference for what an optimal slicing geometry is or what it can do. You can’t tell the difference slicing paper.
For those that think regrinds or “DIY” are the answer: no! A lot of knives have nice blade finishes and logo etching that I don’t want ground off.
Honestly I think this is something Spyderco isn’t putting effort into. It seems some factories crank out thin edges and others don’t. That makes me think they don’t specify the grind to that level of detail.
Most modern knife enthusiasts don’t have a good reference for what an optimal slicing geometry is or what it can do. You can’t tell the difference slicing paper.
For those that think regrinds or “DIY” are the answer: no! A lot of knives have nice blade finishes and logo etching that I don’t want ground off.
Honestly I think this is something Spyderco isn’t putting effort into. It seems some factories crank out thin edges and others don’t. That makes me think they don’t specify the grind to that level of detail.
Re: A plea to Spyderco:
Hey I remember that thread :DThe Meat man wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 4:37 pmHow can Spyderco cater to their performance-obsessed aficionados and offer super thin grinds without compromising the integrity of their product line as a whole? Simple!
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This is a great idea and garnered overwhelming support. I'd love to see this happen!
Yep, I still think the only way you're going to see super thin BTE thicknesses on anything besides a Mantra or Chaparral is a flash batch of thin ground blades. The knife community is just starting to realize geometry cuts, I don't think the public is there yet.
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Re: A plea to Spyderco:
Hi MacKinne,
Welcome to our forum.
Wayne Goddard and Cliff Stamp really opened my eyes to the value of thin edges. However, it is still a small number of knife afi's that have that understanding. Also, it is far easier to thin out an edge, than to make one thicker.
I guess we could consider an Afi edge junky performance model? For the purpose of discussion only, what to you would be the ideal thin edge version?
sal
Welcome to our forum.
Wayne Goddard and Cliff Stamp really opened my eyes to the value of thin edges. However, it is still a small number of knife afi's that have that understanding. Also, it is far easier to thin out an edge, than to make one thicker.
I guess we could consider an Afi edge junky performance model? For the purpose of discussion only, what to you would be the ideal thin edge version?
sal
Re: A plea to Spyderco:
I’m pretty happy with my EDC para3s with 30 degree included edge and no microbevel. For a “slicer” a longer blade makes sense to me. Proficient, waterway; kitchen & utility knives. Endela?
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Re: A plea to Spyderco:
PM2 in M4 - no DLC
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We already have a thinned out delica in the hap40 versions. So thanks much for that!
I don’t know what the ideal thin edge version for me would be. Just something LW with thin stock and a very high hollow grind that would allow me to maintain my BTE thin-ness through repeated sharpenings. A smaller folding model would surely find its way into more hands. So perhaps a version of the sage. Nice tall blade with room for the high hollow. 3” blade legal more places. Lw molds exist for the 5. Although if we are only discussing then make it a sage4 with a lockback and linerless G10.
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I like your thinking on that! I might prefer a longer blade, but for feasibility the bigger audience is better.DirtMcGirt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:27 pmWe already have a thinned out delica in the hap40 versions. So thanks much for that!
I don’t know what the ideal thin edge version for me would be. Just something LW with thin stock and a very high hollow grind that would allow me to maintain my BTE thin-ness through repeated sharpenings. A smaller folding model would surely find its way into more hands. So perhaps a version of the sage. Nice tall blade with room for the high hollow. 3” blade legal more places. Lw molds exist for the 5. Although if we are only discussing then make it a sage4 with a lockback and linerless G10.
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Yeah, the wharnie hap40 delica especially is pretty slicey.
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Re: A plea to Spyderco:
A super duper thin Delica slicer would be interesting. How about an LC200N Delica Salt with the Delica tip rather than the Salt 2 tip? Ground as thin as possible.
Or an LC200N Chap LW Salt ground even thinner than the XHP blade??
These would be awesome little portable paring/steak knives.
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Re: A plea to Spyderco:
For me one of the lightweights makes the most sense, a real user.
Dragonfly, Para 3, Police, Delica, Endura, Native, Endela.
With a thin blade there's no reason for a heavy duty handle other than aesthetics.
A REX45 Native LW or Para 3 LW @66HRC and .008BTE @15DPS? Take my Money.
Dragonfly, Para 3, Police, Delica, Endura, Native, Endela.
With a thin blade there's no reason for a heavy duty handle other than aesthetics.
A REX45 Native LW or Para 3 LW @66HRC and .008BTE @15DPS? Take my Money.
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Re: A plea to Spyderco:
Thinking more about Sal’s comment regarding MrGoddard’s influence in his value of a thin edge, perhaps a C16 Goddard would be a good candidate for an afi sprint. The handle could stay the same and still use thinner stock. And raise the hollow grind. It’s also a Seki model so k390 could be an option too.
Re: A plea to Spyderco:
Hi Gslben,
Welcome to our forum.
sal
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Re: A plea to Spyderco:
Stretch in Cruwear :)sal wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:50 amHi MacKinne,
Welcome to our forum.
Wayne Goddard and Cliff Stamp really opened my eyes to the value of thin edges. However, it is still a small number of knife afi's that have that understanding. Also, it is far easier to thin out an edge, than to make one thicker.
I guess we could consider an Afi edge junky performance model? For the purpose of discussion only, what to you would be the ideal thin edge version?
sal
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Re: A plea to Spyderco:
Something from Golden. My vote is the PM2.
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AEB-L is said to be able to take very thin edge geometries.
VG-10 should work fine; lots of extremely thin kitchen knives are made of VG-10.
A fine-grained, low carbide PM steel such as CPM 3V or 4V would probably work well too.
As far as model, I'd like to see any of these:
Seki: Delica
Golden: PM2
Taichung: FRN Sage
VG-10 should work fine; lots of extremely thin kitchen knives are made of VG-10.
A fine-grained, low carbide PM steel such as CPM 3V or 4V would probably work well too.
As far as model, I'd like to see any of these:
Seki: Delica
Golden: PM2
Taichung: FRN Sage
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Re: A plea to Spyderco:
Let me begin by stating I am a huge Spyderco fan, and that roughly 90% of my knives are Spydercos. I am simply advocating for what I view as an improvement to the knives I love to buy and use, and in no way mean to denigrate the brand. I should have prefaced my original post with that.sal wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:50 amHi MacKinne,
Welcome to our forum.
Wayne Goddard and Cliff Stamp really opened my eyes to the value of thin edges. However, it is still a small number of knife afi's that have that understanding. Also, it is far easier to thin out an edge, than to make one thicker.
I guess we could consider an Afi edge junky performance model? For the purpose of discussion only, what to you would be the ideal thin edge version?
sal
Also I want to make sure we're all on the same page here. Blade stock thickness, edge angle, and behind the edge thickness all affect cutting performance(how much pressure is required to execute a cut), but what I am primarily concerned with here is raising the primary grind angle so the blade is thinner towards the apex.
I think increasing the primary grind angle so the blades end up around .0015 behind the edge is a strict upgrade with no downside, but I definitely wouldn't mind a "slicer option" or something where you could pay an extra 20% for a more aggressive primary grind. If I had to choose one model though, for me personally I'd choose a caly 3.5 or something, but if I were Spyderco I'd go with a PM2 to ensure the maximum number of people buy them, try them, and love them.
Thanks for entertaining the idea.
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A Manix XL in stable, higher carbide steels like 10v, 4v, m4, or 20cv, ground 15dps and .008-.010 BTE would be an amazing blade for people who value cutting performance over indestructibility. Fairly thin stock combined with a wide blade already make the Manix XL a great slicer, and a more acute primary grind would complement the design immensely.
BRING ON THE MANIX XL SPRINTS AND EXCLUSIVES! And 10v or K390ify the Golden lineup, please.
Top 5 folders I’ve owned: Serrated Caribbean Leaf, Shaman, Manix XL, ZDP-189/CF Caly 3.5, Native LW.
Top 5 steels I’ve owned: LC200N, K390, CPM S90V, M390, CPM REX45.
Top 3 steels I want more of: M390 class, A11 class (including K390), CPM REX45.
Top 5 folders I’ve owned: Serrated Caribbean Leaf, Shaman, Manix XL, ZDP-189/CF Caly 3.5, Native LW.
Top 5 steels I’ve owned: LC200N, K390, CPM S90V, M390, CPM REX45.
Top 3 steels I want more of: M390 class, A11 class (including K390), CPM REX45.
Re: A plea to Spyderco:
Hi Baron Mind,
The downside is non afi's twisting the edge and chipping it. Any of our knives will take a thin edge and a knowledgeable knife person can handle that. But not all of our customers know as much as knife afi's and we get them back broken. That's why we had to strengthen the tips on the Endura family models.
sal
The downside is non afi's twisting the edge and chipping it. Any of our knives will take a thin edge and a knowledgeable knife person can handle that. But not all of our customers know as much as knife afi's and we get them back broken. That's why we had to strengthen the tips on the Endura family models.
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Re: A plea to Spyderco:
That is fair! Thanks againsal wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:46 pmHi Baron Mind,
The downside is non afi's twisting the edge and chipping it. Any of our knives will take a thin edge and a knowledgeable knife person can handle that. But not all of our customers know as much as knife afi's and we get them back broken. That's why we had to strengthen the tips on the Endura family models.
sal