Deep carry pocket clips

[Crux]

I’ve seen a few counterfeit spydercos coming out with deep carry clips-
I when I’m looking for one I’ll pick one of them up- I’m not paying $50 for an mxg or Lynch clip.

I pay $25 for a MXG titanium clip. Where are you shopping?

You're not factoring in shipping and import duties to people outside of the US.

I've heard the rumor as well, but I can assure you that Indiana is indeed still located inside the US.

[Tims]

I’m all for a factory deep carry option but the topic seems to trigger non deep carry people pretty hard. So unless Sal himself is taking a poll of support, I’ll leave it alone

Yikes.

I've been summarily put in my place.

Don't take it personally. There's a cult like portion of the membership here that takes anything Sal says as if it comes from the lips of a deity. On the other hand in a very recent thread on this topic a long time member posted a pic of his Delica (or was it an Endura?) with a Benchmade deep carry clip. I've purchased MXG clips for higher end Ti scale knives. I'm not spending an extra $25 for a clip on a sub $100 knife. I think I'll call Benchmade tomorrow and see how much they charge for deep carry clips, now that I know they fit one of the most common Spyderco hole patterns.

I mustn’t have been clear in my post so people have misunderstood me.

I WANT a factory deep carry clip option but after the last clip thread, I feel like I’m wasting my breath asking for one, lest I be told by people I don’t actually need a deep carry clip and my perceived need for one is imaginary.

Now theres talk of people buying counterfeit Spydercos just to get the deep carry clip. That’s not good for business. I won’t be doing that but I’m sure plenty will.

[Tims]

I’m all for a factory deep carry option but the topic seems to trigger non deep carry people pretty hard. So unless Sal himself is taking a poll of support, I’ll leave it alone

Yikes.

I've been summarily put in my place.

Don't take it personally. There's a cult like portion of the membership here that takes anything Sal says as if it comes from the lips of a deity. On the other hand in a very recent thread on this topic a long time member posted a pic of his Delica (or was it an Endura?) with a Benchmade deep carry clip. I've purchased MXG clips for higher end Ti scale knives. I'm not spending an extra $25 for a clip on a sub $100 knife. I think I'll call Benchmade tomorrow and see how much they charge for deep carry clips, now that I know they fit one of the most common Spyderco hole patterns.

Be aware that there are two different 3 screw clips that look very similar. Benchmade clips won’t fit on the Endura/delica pattern without modification.

They are a direct fit on the other hole pattern though. Sorry, I couldnt tell you which models have this pattern other than some SS Dragonflies. I have one on a SS Dragonfly and it was a direct bolt on

[Daveho]

I’m all for a factory deep carry option but the topic seems to trigger non deep carry people pretty hard. So unless Sal himself is taking a poll of support, I’ll leave it alone

Yikes.

I've been summarily put in my place.

Don't take it personally. There's a cult like portion of the membership here that takes anything Sal says as if it comes from the lips of a deity. On the other hand in a very recent thread on this topic a long time member posted a pic of his Delica (or was it an Endura?) with a Benchmade deep carry clip. I've purchased MXG clips for higher end Ti scale knives. I'm not spending an extra $25 for a clip on a sub $100 knife. I think I'll call Benchmade tomorrow and see how much they charge for deep carry clips, now that I know they fit one of the most common Spyderco hole patterns.

That was my delica and I had to drill the clip to fit.

[ugaarguy]

I’ve seen a few counterfeit spydercos coming out with deep carry clips-
I when I’m looking for one I’ll pick one of them up- I’m not paying $50 for an mxg or Lynch clip.

I pay $25 for a MXG titanium clip. Where are you shopping?

You're not factoring in shipping and import duties to people outside of the US.

I've heard the rumor as well, but I can assure you that Indiana is indeed still located inside the US.

No kidding. I was replying to your quote of Daveho, who isn't in the US. I never said I was outside the US.

[ugaarguy]

I’m all for a factory deep carry option but the topic seems to trigger non deep carry people pretty hard. So unless Sal himself is taking a poll of support, I’ll leave it alone

Yikes.

I've been summarily put in my place.

Don't take it personally. There's a cult like portion of the membership here that takes anything Sal says as if it comes from the lips of a deity. On the other hand in a very recent thread on this topic a long time member posted a pic of his Delica (or was it an Endura?) with a Benchmade deep carry clip. I've purchased MXG clips for higher end Ti scale knives. I'm not spending an extra $25 for a clip on a sub $100 knife. I think I'll call Benchmade tomorrow and see how much they charge for deep carry clips, now that I know they fit one of the most common Spyderco hole patterns.

That was my delica and I had to drill the clip to fit.

Good to know. Even here in Indiana (which may or may not be part of the US of A) where I can still get MXG clips for $25 it would still be more economical for me to buy several Benchmade or other clips and use a friend's drill press for a few minutes.

[ladybug93]

why is this thread heated at all? take a breath, guys. the op asked about pocket clips. and who cares if it's been asked and answered? not everyone lives here in the forum or has time to search through threads where people are being ripped apart for asking simple questions with simple answers. no need to get your lanyards in a twist.

[ugaarguy]

Spyderco stubbornly holds on to their 1980's pocket clip design.

Good :)

Agree.

Spyderco is in the business of making knives and very good ones at that.

We see enough "complaints, whinges, bitches and moans" on here and other forums about delays to market
of products AND numerous comments about this knife would be good in this steel etc etc.

And you seriously want to add more pressure of design and manufacturing into the mix by adding another couple of variables
of deep carry clips - WHEN the product you want is readily available off the shelf already from a few places - places which
support Spyderco and Spyderco support them. Spyderco isn't about to shxt in it's own backyard !

Added to that the $$$ involved in the added inventory needing to be held for what is
probably not a high percentage of Spyderco users.

To me, this "Spyderco should offer XYZ" is just because people don't want to spend a few more $$$ on customizing their knives.

Sal has already said what's what, isn't that indication enough ?
I sometimes wonder whether some people need hitting on the head with a baseball bat for them to understand.


A smart business knife reseller would set up a relationship with a few of suppliers of DCC and add these as a bundle to a knife
so they are all purchased from the one place - make them even more of a destination experience which is what retail is about.

Start on yourself with the baseball bat. The market has demanded deep carry clips, and almost every manufacturer except Spyderco has met that demand. I'm amazed that you think changing a bend or two in a piece of sheet metal is too much pressure and too difficult for Spyderco to do. I'm amazed that the company which first put pocket clips on mass produced knives refuses to innovate, while the competition runs away from them on one of their two iconic features. The $20 Olight i3T flasghlight has a better deep carry pocket clip than most Spyderco knives. The company that brought us the ClipIt knives refuses to improve their clips - I really don't get it.

[anycal]

I’m all for a factory deep carry option but the topic seems to trigger non deep carry people pretty hard...

That's pretty funny. Some seem to have an allergic reaction to a mention of this toppic. 'I don't understand why', or 'I never had a reason to', are couple of the common symptoms. It feels like they are trying to talk a person out of it. Don't! To some it is a preference, or a necessity.

Other topics you man want to bring epinephrine to - scale material, lanyard holes, lock types, finger flicking, steel preference, price increase, finger choil... probably few others.

[Zatx]

Start on yourself with the baseball bat. The market has demanded deep carry clips, and almost every manufacturer except Spyderco has met that demand. I'm amazed that you think changing a bend or two in a piece of sheet metal is too much pressure and too difficult for Spyderco to do. I'm amazed that the company which first put pocket clips on mass produced knives refuses to innovate, while the competition runs away from them on one of their two iconic features. The $20 Olight i3T flasghlight has a better deep carry pocket clip than most Spyderco knives. The company that brought us the ClipIt knives refuses to improve their clips - I really don't get it.

My thoughts exactly! Spyderco basically invented the pocket clip phenomena and has rested on their laurels since that initial innovation. Modern Spyderco is an industry leader with knife designs, blade steels, and collaborations but then slaps their 1980's clip on the knife before shipping it out the door.

For a company that prides itself (rightly so) on its Constant Quality Improvements (TM), it hasn't touched this one aspect of their product line.

We should reframe this debate; it's not about deep-pocket concealment, but about innovation and CQI. We too often get into debating the legality of concealed carry, or whether the knife being a 1/4 inch deeper in the pocket accomplishes any concealment, when we need to be discussing updating an outdated design.

Designing and producing new pocket clips doesn't need to add much in the way of costs or production time; they are already manufacturing a clip for every knife. A simple solution is to keep the current three hole placement (for regular clips) and slotted/one-hole design (for wire clips) for all future pocket clips. This way you have backward compatibility right from the start and it allows the third-party innovators to continue pumping out their own designs.

KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid.

[Jazz]

When I say they’re uglier than a Baboon’s butt, obviously that’s just my opinion, but that’s what discussion is.

[spyderg]

As mentioned, this has been discussed many times and I’ve joined said discussions also wondering why Spyderco doesn’t offer a deep carry clip on some models, or as an accessory. I believe Sal stated that he would leave that market for the guys making them already. Odd business decision if you ask me but at the same time it pretty cool of a company to leave a slice of pie for someone else. In this case it seems to be a few small operations making them. I’m guessing if a big company started making them, Spyderco’s thoughts on it might change.
For me, I only switch a clip if there is an ergonomic or retention issue. I like the standard hourglass clip on most knives. My Rhinos clip had to go! (Felt horrible in my hand) Benchmade deep carry is pretty close to perfect on it. Oddly enough, that same clip was a poor fit on the Griptillian it came off. Switched it for a “shallow carry” BM clip.
I might be the odd one out here but I typically hate the wire clip. It makes for nasty hotspots to the point I can’t use a couple knives like my Techno and my Mantra before I switched it’s clip with the one off my Dragonfly. The smaller clip lets it sit in my hand a little better but it’s still a hotspot. I’d have an aftermarket clip for them but the options are limited and far too pricey.

[ladybug93]

not everyone sees a deep carry clip as innovation. there was a time i did, but i just don’t care anymore. the pocket clip is part of the tool and was designed for the function of making your knife more easily accessible. it’s not meant to conceal your knife and make it harder to access. and let’s face it, wire clips and deep carry clips aren’t fooling anyone. everyone knows there is a knife in your pocket. if you have to conceal it, you probably shouldn’t have it clipped to your pocket where it’s clearly visible. there are only a couple of spyderco knives i can think of that actually should carry at least a little deeper and it’s kind of cool that spyderco isn’t stepping on the toes of a few niche aftermarket sellers.

[anycal]

I see. So, there is nothing wrong with the design of the pocket clip... except for the knives that need them. Well, for some that need spans a few more models, that's all.

[vivi]

Spyderco stubbornly holds on to their 1980's pocket clip design.

Good :)

Agree.

Spyderco is in the business of making knives and very good ones at that.

We see enough "complaints, whinges, bitches and moans" on here and other forums about delays to market
of products AND numerous comments about this knife would be good in this steel etc etc.

And you seriously want to add more pressure of design and manufacturing into the mix by adding another couple of variables
of deep carry clips - WHEN the product you want is readily available off the shelf already from a few places - places which
support Spyderco and Spyderco support them. Spyderco isn't about to shxt in it's own backyard !

Added to that the $$$ involved in the added inventory needing to be held for what is
probably not a high percentage of Spyderco users.

To me, this "Spyderco should offer XYZ" is just because people don't want to spend a few more $$$ on customizing their knives.

Sal has already said what's what, isn't that indication enough ?
I sometimes wonder whether some people need hitting on the head with a baseball bat for them to understand.


A smart business knife reseller would set up a relationship with a few of suppliers of DCC and add these as a bundle to a knife
so they are all purchased from the one place - make them even more of a destination experience which is what retail is about.

Start on yourself with the baseball bat. The market has demanded deep carry clips, and almost every manufacturer except Spyderco has met that demand. I'm amazed that you think changing a bend or two in a piece of sheet metal is too much pressure and too difficult for Spyderco to do. I'm amazed that the company which first put pocket clips on mass produced knives refuses to innovate, while the competition runs away from them on one of their two iconic features. The $20 Olight i3T flasghlight has a better deep carry pocket clip than most Spyderco knives. The company that brought us the ClipIt knives refuses to improve their clips - I really don't get it.

Many of Spydercos customers don't see it as an improvement. A vocal instagram minority does not constitute a majority.

[vivi]

Start on yourself with the baseball bat. The market has demanded deep carry clips, and almost every manufacturer except Spyderco has met that demand. I'm amazed that you think changing a bend or two in a piece of sheet metal is too much pressure and too difficult for Spyderco to do. I'm amazed that the company which first put pocket clips on mass produced knives refuses to innovate, while the competition runs away from them on one of their two iconic features. The $20 Olight i3T flasghlight has a better deep carry pocket clip than most Spyderco knives. The company that brought us the ClipIt knives refuses to improve their clips - I really don't get it.

My thoughts exactly! Spyderco basically invented the pocket clip phenomena and has rested on their laurels since that initial innovation. Modern Spyderco is an industry leader with knife designs, blade steels, and collaborations but then slaps their 1980's clip on the knife before shipping it out the door.

For a company that prides itself (rightly so) on its Constant Quality Improvements (TM), it hasn't touched this one aspect of their product line.

We should reframe this debate; it's not about deep-pocket concealment, but about innovation and CQI. We too often get into debating the legality of concealed carry, or whether the knife being a 1/4 inch deeper in the pocket accomplishes any concealment, when we need to be discussing updating an outdated design.

Designing and producing new pocket clips doesn't need to add much in the way of costs or production time; they are already manufacturing a clip for every knife. A simple solution is to keep the current three hole placement (for regular clips) and slotted/one-hole design (for wire clips) for all future pocket clips. This way you have backward compatibility right from the start and it allows the third-party innovators to continue pumping out their own designs.

KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid.

If you want to reframe the discussion as one centered around innovation, then do so with an objective mind.

The first Spyderco clips were squared off on the edges and were held in place by only two screws.

Since then they have innovated in a number of ways:

- Wire clips
- Hourglass clips, which are more rounded and ergonomic than the OG clips
- Rounded Military clip, another example of CQI with respect to clips
- Three screws instead of two for extra redundancy
- Custom clips on collaboration models
- Titanium clips for rust proofing
- Painted clips to reduce light reflection for knives used by the Military etc.
- Clips for fixed blades (G-clip)
- Barrel clips, an elegant design that only needs one screw for a secure hold
- Both barrel clips and hourglass clips incorporating a hole for a lanyard
- Designing clips that work well for four different mount options on a single model
- Deep carry wire clips


No one here can look at that list and say with a straight face that Spyderco has not innovated since introducing clips to the knife world. That would be a ludicrous assertion.

[TkoK83Spy]

First post in this thread, as I had a feeling it would get a bit testy, as most of these deep carry threads do and I cringe when I see a new post. It's like a car wreck though...I can't help but look.

The OP is now aware that Sal doesn't have a desire to provide the deep carry option directly from Spyderco and that's fine. That's what the aftermarket is for. We're all aware this in an expensive hobby we're into. It largely depends on your financial state, some will scoff at spending $25 for a pocket clip and some will think "I've already spent $150 on this knife, what's another $25 to make it exactly how I want it" Some people just don't care about how their knife rides in their pocket, or how their pocket clip looks. The reality is, nobody is in the wrong.

I'm someone that prefers a deep carry clip, I personally think they look better. I'm not going to tell someone they are wrong if they don't like them, or don't prefer them. That's up to them. Sometimes I wish I didn't prefer them...when I look at 6 of my 11 knives with deep carry clips and think about the money I've spent on the clips alone, how I would be more than half way there on buying a new Kapara I've been holding out on.

Really no need for anybody to get riled up over the pocket clips threads. They are just pocket clips, deep carry or not.

[gull wing]

My present favorite knife is the Para 3 because of MXG clip.
I don't like the huge hole in my handle(lanyard), looking for custom scales w/o lanyard hole.

[bagsnatcher]

I’m all for a factory deep carry option but the topic seems to trigger non deep carry people pretty hard. So unless Sal himself is taking a poll of support, I’ll leave it alone

Yikes.

I've been summarily put in my place.

Don't take it personally. There's a cult like portion of the membership here that takes anything Sal says as if it comes from the lips of a deity. On the other hand in a very recent thread on this topic a long time member posted a pic of his Delica (or was it an Endura?) with a Benchmade deep carry clip. I've purchased MXG clips for higher end Ti scale knives. I'm not spending an extra $25 for a clip on a sub $100 knife. I think I'll call Benchmade tomorrow and see how much they charge for deep carry clips, now that I know they fit one of the most common Spyderco hole patterns.

Benchmade clips are free-fifty. I just got a bagfull of them (the good kind, black oxide) after I asked customer service for two. Solid response. Granted, the free clips are baked into the butterfly tax, but still.

Regrading Lynch / MXG clips: they're under $20, shipped. Granted, that's Conus, but there's almost no scenario where you should pay $50 for a clip (no matter how good).

I'd still like to see a Spyderco factory deep carry clip; it would slot right next to the lanyard beads and lanyards the company sells.

[Crux]

My present favorite knife is the Para 3 because of MXG clip.
I don't like the huge hole in my handle(lanyard), looking for custom scales w/o lanyard hole.

Let me know if you do!