Antarctica?

[gingerninja]

“All i know is that the reality we're taught isn't the reality that's real. What that means is unknown.“

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

“All else is just a guess, no matter what abbreviations come after your name.”

How about this. I have stage four Prostate cancer. That is a fact (reality) established by medical science practiced and developed over the years by people with hard-won “abbreviations”after their names which lets me know they are serious and know what they are doing. These same people have me on a scientifically-based treatment that is working to stop my cancer from spreading, giving me a few more years than I would have had if in your world reality was anything we wanted it to be.

You are wrong and obviously confused.

You are obviously welcome to think what you will and I am welcome to show your ideas as the confused mess they are.

:)

[MichaelScott]

Like Bearface, I am opting out too. These disagreements never reach a satisfactory conclusion and tend to get more personal and never die.

[tvenuto]

Wow Bodog, that must be a really exhausting worldview. And there is one thing you do know: YOU must exist.

My thing is, even if I really am a grape with electrodes attached floating around in a warm slurry, a puppet of some inconceivable intelligence, and the reality I experience is merely what a computer has fooled my grapeself into believing, my question is: so? If whacking my nonexistent shin into my nonexistent coffee table still causes my grapeself discomfort, shouldn't I still avoid it? If the actual reality of my situation won't change my perceptions, feelings, what I learn, etc, one bit, then who cares? It doesn't change what I should do, real or not. I should still try to raise my imaginary daughter well, and I should still try to make my imaginary wife happy. As such I view such questions as out of the scope of what you can learn from the world, and thus irrelevant. You're free to let your grapeself ponder these, though. Or perhaps wonder why your captors have conjured such contrarian avatars to argue with you or discount your theories.

[Bodog]

“All i know is that the reality we're taught isn't the reality that's real. What that means is unknown.“

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

“All else is just a guess, no matter what abbreviations come after your name.”

How about this. I have stage four Prostate cancer. That is a fact (reality) established by medical science practiced and developed over the years by people with hard-won “abbreviations”after their names which lets me know they are serious and know what they are doing. These same people have me on a scientifically-based treatment that is working to stop my cancer from spreading, giving me a few more years than I would have had if in your world reality was anything we wanted it to be.

You are wrong and obviously confused.

You are obviously welcome to think what you will and I am welcome to show your ideas as the confused mess they are.

Thanks the clarification that what we see in front of us needs to be addressed as such. I get that it's hard to understand, there's a reason Jesus spoke redpills in parable form. People have a hard time hearing and can be obstinate and insulting when they hear the truth that's not veiled behind a story.

[Bodog]

Wow Bodog, that must be a really exhausting worldview. And there is one thing you do know: YOU must exist.

My thing is, even if I really am a grape with electrodes attached floating around in a warm slurry, a puppet of some inconceivable intelligence, and the reality I experience is merely what a computer has fooled my grapeself into believing, my question is: so? If whacking my nonexistent shin into my nonexistent coffee table still causes my grapeself discomfort, shouldn't I still avoid it? If the actual reality of my situation won't change my perceptions, feelings, what I learn, etc, one bit, then who cares? It doesn't change what I should do, real or not. I should still try to raise my imaginary daughter well, and I should still try to make my imaginary wife happy. As such I view such questions as out of the scope of what you can learn from the world, and thus irrelevant. You're free to let your grapeself ponder these, though. Or perhaps wonder why your captors have conjured such contrarian avatars to argue with you or discount your theories.

Absolutely spot on. None of it matters. Focus on what you perceive to be real, that which is right in front of you and love the people around you as much as they let you.

[JD Spydo]

Hey guys!!!?? I've read about the past dozen or so posts and I will admit that there are some thought provoking things you all gave us. But seriously I want to know more about ANTARCTICA.

OK I know we have Emperor Penguins, Leopard Seals, Harp Seals and several species of whales down there along with about 3 other species of penguins >> I'm wondering if any of you guys know of any other wildlife down there? I know that the Japanese have been doing a lot of illegal whaling down there but I also heard that there is some legitimate commercial fishing too. But I don't even know which fish are prevalent down there?

Also why do you guys think all these VIP people met down there a few months back>> especially John Kerry ( Secretary of State)? And why do most countries find that it is so important to be there?

[SpyderEdgeForever]

Carnivorous Sheep.

[bearfacedkiller]

JD, sorry about the tangent.

Have you read about the colossal squid. They don't really even know that much about them. Fascinating!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_squid

[Doc Dan]

I do not think all of those leaders met in Antarctica. Kirill went, but the Pope did not. Kerry went, but Obama did not. Obama went to the Arctic. He was the first President of the USA to do so. It was about climate change. Kerry's visit to Antarctica was also about climate change. Kirill's visit was probably because he wanted to visit the farthest south Russian Orthodox parish and to make a statement regarding climate change. It is also inaccurate to say that the Pope and Patriarch Kirill's meeting was the first official meeting between the Pope and Eastern Orthodox. Pope John Paul II met with the Ecumenical Patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church in an official capacity, for example, in a widely televised event. I do not see a conspiracy.

However, that does not mean that there never was anything like an ancient civilization down there. The earth's poles tend to flip flop every so often and there have been many times when the south pole was not in Antarctica. However, if anything ever existed down there, it will be hard for us to know.

[Sjucaveman]

Switch the labels to anything you like it still applies.

[curlyhairedboy]

One of my favorite things is equipping myself to understand the world in which we find ourselves.

Whether that's learning how internal combustion engines work so i can fix them, or reading up on semiconductor physics to understand LED efficiency, there's little that's more fulfilling than climbing up the backs of giants to see how they came to their realizations.

When it comes to studying nature, I urge everyone to wade in directly if they have any doubt or curiosity about the science that goes on. It's good to be a skeptic! Ask yourself how you would prove that the earth is round! Ask yourself how you could prove that it's not flat! Buy a telescope - better yet, build a telescope.

In research, there's no secret knowledge that exists in a vacuum, it's all building on what you and I already know. There may be math involved, but you can trace the breadcrumbs and see for yourself.

As for Antarctica, you can build a DIY receiver and pull down images DIRECT from the satellites if you don't trust what you see from NASA.

Here's a how to:
https://www.instructables.com/id/Raspbe ... -Receiver/

[JD Spydo]

JD, sorry about the tangent.

Have you read about the colossal squid. They don't really even know that much about them. Fascinating!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_squid

Yeah!! I do remember that ANIMAL PlANET channel did a special on the giant Squid off the deep parts of the ocean close to New Zealand. They said it was the first time they ever got a photo of a live one. They knew they existed because they had found several of them and also several dead specimens of the Oar Fish too. They also said that those two creatures were often found together.

Now is this "colossal squid" I'm sure they said was in the same family as the "giant squid">> I would truly think that would be the case being that both of them live in the southern hemisphere and in the same ocean. Also I heard once that there was some strange species of octopus down there in Antarctica that divers were afraid of too. I encourage all of you to watch that ANIMAL PLANET Special on the Giant Squid if you get a chance because that was one of the best wild life shows I ever saw.

I also remember Steve Irwin shortly before he died did a special wildlife show in Antarctica and it was a great show too. He even got in the water with a Leopard Seal :eek: >> that took guts because I've heard they are a ferocious animal :cool: I miss that guy so much>> GOD Rest his great soul :)

[JD Spydo]

I do not think all of those leaders met in Antarctica. Kirill went, but the Pope did not. Kerry went, but Obama did not. Obama went to the Arctic. He was the first President of the USA to do so. It was about climate change. Kerry's visit to Antarctica was also about climate change. Kirill's visit was probably because he wanted to visit the farthest south Russian Orthodox parish and to make a statement regarding climate change. It is also inaccurate to say that the Pope and Patriarch Kirill's meeting was the first official meeting between the Pope and Eastern Orthodox. Pope John Paul II met with the Ecumenical Patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church in an official capacity, for example, in a widely televised event. I do not see a conspiracy.

However, that does not mean that there never was anything like an ancient civilization down there. The earth's poles tend to flip flop every so often and there have been many times when the south pole was not in Antarctica. However, if anything ever existed down there, it will be hard for us to know.

Oh yes they did meet on the continent of Antarctica because Joseph Farrell documented that one for sure. I also heard Jeff Rense verify that as well. It was also documented on the BBC out of London too. Now I heard Joseph Farrell say that the POPE did set foot on Antarctica and met with that leader of the Russian Orthodox Church>> they said it was the first time in decades that the leaders of those two churches since met with each other in decades. Now if I've been lied to it wouldn't be the first time. But the BBC also said that Obama himself went there after he left the presidency. You say conspiracy??? I never once on this thread alluded to or even hinted at any type of conspiracy.

All I said is that I wonder why they went there>> and I wonder what's going on down there? Why is it that when anyone wants more detailed information about something that the mainstream news media won't give you any information on>> that it makes that person a conspiracy theorist :confused: Now I do think that there have been some rotten, hidden things that have gone on within our government. But I try to document everything I believe. But something is really weird about Antarctica because it's really strange that no one heard anything important said about that continent in years but now all of a sudden many people and many news organizations are talking about it. No I don't wear a tin foil hat Sir!! But I do think that the mainstream media lies to us on a steady basis and gives us disinformation constantly. It's been that way since I was a kid watching News on the Viet Nam war. And I think we all now conclude how rotten that whole affair was.

[cabfrank]

JD, as you continue to research Antartica and what is going on there, please do post anything you find out. I find this topic very interesting, and as Sal said earlier, many of us do.

[StuntZombie]

Like Bearface, I am opting out too. These disagreements never reach a satisfactory conclusion and tend to get more personal and never die.

Same here. You can beat your head against the wall, and it will do more good than trying to reason with a conspiracy theorist.

I will leave this link right here though, because it is pertinent to the conversation.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... y-theories

[Doc Dan]

I do not think all of those leaders met in Antarctica. Kirill went, but the Pope did not. Kerry went, but Obama did not. Obama went to the Arctic. He was the first President of the USA to do so. It was about climate change. Kerry's visit to Antarctica was also about climate change. Kirill's visit was probably because he wanted to visit the farthest south Russian Orthodox parish and to make a statement regarding climate change. It is also inaccurate to say that the Pope and Patriarch Kirill's meeting was the first official meeting between the Pope and Eastern Orthodox. Pope John Paul II met with the Ecumenical Patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church in an official capacity, for example, in a widely televised event. I do not see a conspiracy.

However, that does not mean that there never was anything like an ancient civilization down there. The earth's poles tend to flip flop every so often and there have been many times when the south pole was not in Antarctica. However, if anything ever existed down there, it will be hard for us to know.

Oh yes they did meet on the continent of Antarctica because Joseph Farrell documented that one for sure. I also heard Jeff Rense verify that as well. It was also documented on the BBC out of London too. Now I heard Joseph Farrell say that the POPE did set foot on Antarctica and met with that leader of the Russian Orthodox Church>> they said it was the first time in decades that the leaders of those two churches since met with each other in decades. Now if I've been lied to it wouldn't be the first time. But the BBC also said that Obama himself went there after he left the presidency. You say conspiracy??? I never once on this thread alluded to or even hinted at any type of conspiracy.

All I said is that I wonder why they went there>> and I wonder what's going on down there? Why is it that when anyone wants more detailed information about something that the mainstream news media won't give you any information on>> that it makes that person a conspiracy theorist :confused: Now I do think that there have been some rotten, hidden things that have gone on within our government. But I try to document everything I believe. But something is really weird about Antarctica because it's really strange that no one heard anything important said about that continent in years but now all of a sudden many people and many news organizations are talking about it. No I don't wear a tin foil hat Sir!! But I do think that the mainstream media lies to us on a steady basis and gives us disinformation constantly. It's been that way since I was a kid watching News on the Viet Nam war. And I think we all now conclude how rotten that whole affair was.

JD, if you find out anything we can verify I would love to know about it. Antarctica has always been a mystery. It is also being affected severely by climate change (whatever the cause). Who knows, we are due for another pole shift so what if something like that occurs in our lifetime and the ice melts? What if the earth flips on its axis as has happened in the past? Things could get real interesting for exploration of that continent.

[JD Spydo]

JD, as you continue to research Antartica and what is going on there, please do post anything you find out. I find this topic very interesting, and as Sal said earlier, many of us do.

Yeah there are a lot of well known and credible researchers who have in the past 3 to 5 years done a lot of work regarding what is going on in Antarctica. Joseph Farrell in particular has had some really compelling evidence that the Nazis did indeed use Antartica for something strategic even before WW II even started, And to this day it hasn't been completely clear as to what went on in documented detail. He did confirm in a recent interview that most of those guys I mentioned earlier did indeed recently go to Antarctica for some strange reason. There may be some argument as to whether or not the Pope actually went there but more than 5 sources I keep track of claim that he did so my jury will conclude on that one later. But he did have a meeting with that Russian Orthodox Church leader at that time that he went. Also I think it goes beyond climate change because we have satellites that can do all of that type of information gathering. Also no one has ever stated why Buzz Aldrin even went down there to begin with and had to be taken out of there due to emergency health reasons?? But no one has ever confirmed all the facts on that one that I'm knowledgeable of.

Steve Quayle of all people in the past two years wrote a book about the Nazis and their presence down there in the 1940s along with what Operation High Jump was really all about>> I do plan on getting that book and reading it. I've gotten so many different versions of Admiral Byrd's Operation High Jump over the years that it would be interesting to know why that information is still a matter of National Security :confused: ? And we are talking over 70 years ago too (1947) :confused:

Now there is a lady researcher ( Linda Moulton Howe) who has been deemed to be quite controversial in the past especially with her studies of the "cattle mutilations" that have taken place here in the USA and South America as well. But she has recently done 2 really intriguing interviews dealing with military people who have been to Antarctica in the past 5 years. But again I'm wide open to anyone who have any evidence that either supports what I've heard or even anything to the contrary providing that there is rock solid information to back it up. But for Admiral Byrd to go there with 4700 troops way back in the 1940s at a time when most of the American people barely even knew of the existence of the Antarctic Continent is just flat out strange to say the least.

[Bloke]

... but the Pope did not. ...

[The Meat man]

Ha ha! :D

[Doc Dan]

He was out there a bit too long.