Spyderco vs Strider

[John Frederick]

Hob,

Mick is more likely to post here if we don't call him "Mike"

[Jimmy_Dean]

I think there is a rather fine line between bad-mouthing someone's company and merely defending your own.
I don't think Sal said anything particularely out of place.

I am quite intrigued by the Compression Lock....can I have an ATR to play with it :p lol!

peace brothers!
-Dean

[Sundown]

Now thats just awesome! Two of the coolest cats in the knife business having a "meeting of the minds"! That's how great ideas start! :spyder: :cool:

[J Smith]

Holy crap,a Spyderco-Strider or Strider-Spyderco colab.This would be better than I could have hoped for.

[Sundown]

Here's a direct quote from Mick regarding the lock strength of his knife designs. Keep in mind that the knife they tested was a Buck factory knife of Strider design. Strider's custom-made knives are even stronger:

"The SB1 which of course is a Buck knife, but one of our design.....and kinda the AR/GB's little brother was measured at 950 lbs against the lock and 2000 lbs against the bumpstop.

That was the lowest score of the ten knives they destroyed.

ALL of our folders are stronger than that."

I'm beginning to wonder about the difference in testing equipment between the two companies. While looking through some of the old threads, I stumbled onto this thread, "let's talk about locks", and the following post by Sal on page 2:

http://spyderco.com/forums/showthread.p ... talk+locks

We recently broke a Buck Strider and Emerson's &quot]

Now, how is it that a knife, a Buck/Strider (and I assume they're referring to either the 3 & 7/8" spearpoint or tanto), breaks it's lock at 50-100 inch/lbs on Spyderco's test and then was measured at over 950lbs on Buck/Strider's test? I realize that, given the length of the blade of the knife (around 4 inches), the actual lock breakage weight, according to Spyderco, would be between 200 and 400 lbs, but that's still a lot less than 950 lbs. If anbody can shed some light on the differences between the two lock strength tests, I'd be really appreciative. Thanks!

Sundown

[HoB]

eeeek :eek: , whoooops :o (where is the :footinmouth: when you need it?!)
**** my orthography and carelessness!!! Thanks John!

[Sundown]

Hi Mick. Welcome to the Spyderco forum. Honored you would take the time to visit.

We always appreciate hearing from those that know.

Sorry if you got the impression there was bad-mouthing going on. None meant on my part. Strider knives is respected here. We do seem to have quite a few mutual customers.


sal

He took the time to visit because a member here went to a different forum and told Mr. Strider, that you (Sal) were badmouthing Strider and their ways everytime their company name was brought up. I'm very glad Mr. Strider took the time to come and read for himself.

I wonder if this member would like to read back through your posts and point out to us where exactly you badmouthed Strider and their ideas, cause frankly, I just don't see it. I'd find it even more interesting if this member would like to explain what they think it would make you look like if somebody here were to submit their Spydies for a side by side test with some Striders.

"Integrity is being good even if nobody is watching, and somebody's always watching."

[Slvgx]

[quote="Sundown"]He took the time to visit because a member here went to a different forum and told Mr. Strider, that you (Sal) were badmouthing Strider and their ways everytime their company name was brought up. I'm very glad Mr. Strider took the time to come and read for himself.

I wonder if this member would like to read back through your posts and point out to us where exactly you badmouthed Strider and their ideas, cause frankly, I just don't see it. I'd find it even more interesting if this member would like to explain what they think it would make you look like if somebody here were to submit their Spydies for a side by side test with some Striders.

"Integrity is being good even if nobody is watching, and somebody's always watching." ]

C'mon now, let's not go pointing fingers!

Mick and Sal are big boys and they know how to handle themselves. ****, we may even get a collaboration between them as long as things cool down! If that happens then we can all go buy a Spyderco-Strider ... or Strider-Spyderco (whichever you prefer) and be happy! :D

[Sundown]

C'mon now, let's not go pointing fingers!

Mick and Sal are big boys and they know how to handle themselves. ****, we may even get a collaboration between them as long as things cool down! If that happens then we can all go buy a Spyderco-Strider ... or Strider-Spyderco (whichever you prefer) and be happy! :D

I hope you didn't get the impression that I was "pointing the finger" at either Mr. Strider or Mr. Glesser, because that isn't the case.

You're right, they are "big boys". Two knife industry "big boys" whom I deeply respect and admire! That's why it really upsets me to see one of them getting bad intel about the other, due to a member of both camps running to one of them saying that the other said bad things about him. That's not a nice way to play, especially when it ain't true!


That said, rant over. I'd love to see a collaboration! :cool:

[sal]

Hi Sundown.

That post is the reason we will no longer post numbers on breaks.

Our current policy is that we will break anything for any mfr or custom maker, or we will CATRA any edge for any mfr of custom maker.

The "rules" are: 1) they cannot use our numbers in public (we're not accredited and don't want the job). And 2) we will not share the info for any reason with anyone other than the mfr.

Posting those figures back then was my bad. Acouple of other companies also published our numbers for their promotion, which caused us some problems. We offer our equipment so they can have a consistent source for the purpose of making a better product or improving one.

Regarding the difference, changes in the design or mfr methods could make a difference, or even testing methods.

Jim, I've met Mick, we've had some conversations. I was having a hard time buying that Mick would say that Strider's S30V was "better" than Chris Reeve's, Benchmade's, Lone wolf's or Spyderco's S30V.

As it turned out he wasn't saying that.

Mick, Sorry if this thread put you through any changes.

sal

[Jon_USA]

For one thing Sal you are not the one that needs to do the "I'm sorry bit"
Its Mr. Mick Strider who comes into your house and s**ts. His hissy fit was uncalled for and it has been his MO to do this on various forums. This time he was way wrong in thinking you are bad mouthing him, or if this thread in anyway hurts Strider Knives. I own both Spydercos and Striders I happen to think my Manix is better than the SNG model I had. I happen to think my Model BT and Model EBLT are GREAT fixed blades better than any thing I have used. Thats why I carry them. I also have the Buck Strider BU880 Tanto and the Spear Point 880SP I love them. Great knives, as are my Para Mili and my Manix.

The big difference between Strider and Spyderco is price. One is over priced IMO and the other is a lot of knife for the money.

This thread does not need to turn into a pissing match.

Strider and Spyderco are two great knife makers, there are pluses to each knife made by both companies.

Strider happens to be the hot thing and they are marketed very well. If they were not they would not have people lining up paying 400 to 475 and up for the folders.

They also would not have every Tom Dick and Harry copying them with the wrap and the stripping.

I will say this to you Sal you are the innovator because with out you we would not have the one hand opening hole and the pocket clip. Duane Dwyer was quoted as saying they give you credit for the greatest advancements in folding knives those two features.

Sal is the one who needs the appology. :spyder:

[Jimd]

I'm beginning to wonder about the difference in testing equipment between the two companies.
Sundown

If you doubt the strength of Strider designs, handle one; it will erase all your doubts. Better yet, buy one and beat the crap out of it. It likely will take everything you dish out.

[severedthumbs]

do we doubt it is strong? no

do we think is strength is grossly exaggerated? yes

[Sundown]

[quote="Jimd"]If you doubt the strength of Strider designs, handle one]

When and where did I ever say that, that I "doubt the strength of Strider designs"? I said that I was wondering about the difference in lock-break testing equipment between the two companies, Spyderco and Buck/Strider. Please do not put words in my mouth. It wasn't cool when somebody put words into Mr. Glesser's mouth (on a different forum) and it isn't cool here either.

[Sundown]

For one thing Sal you are not the one that needs to do the "I'm sorry bit"
This time he was way wrong in thinking you are bad mouthing him, or if this thread in anyway hurts Strider Knives.

I

Mr. Strider only thought that beacuse a member of this forum went over to another forum and told him that Mr. Glesser was badmouthing Strider products and philosophies. The appology should come from the member here who misinformed Mr. Strider!

[tortoise]

Oh boy. I took a read at the associated thread over at Strider.

Anyway, I recommend it to all so as to get a fuller view of what's being said, by whom, and how, here versus there. Also note post-times as they relate to post-tone. Interesting.

I understand Sal's point about not posting breaking numbers anymore, but it is frustrating. When two manufacturers take opposing positions and there's no reason to doubt either one how does an ELU form an opinion. i.e. "Knife A breaks at 1 Lb." "-No it doesn't, it breaks at 1 million pounds." Okay so what gives?

I'd love to see a standard accepted testing method. Then the chips would fall where they may. Not every (read almost no) ELU needs to be able to saw through the Great Wall. So if one company's blades wouldn't, then that would come out and the average buyer wouldn't care anyway. Some people do need that, but just because another company might claim aggresively that their blades will, doesn't make it so either.

For me, I've never even been to China, but I'd still like to know just because I'm a knut. More than that honestly, one of my favorite expresions is "The truth is its own defense." If an absolute truth was out there, there'd be no room for bluster from anyone.

[Sundown]

Hi Sundown.

Regarding the difference, changes in the design or mfr methods could make a difference, or even testing methods.

sal

Thank you for taking the time to respond, Mr. Glesser! I don't know much about lock strength testing, so you'll have to excuse my newbie questions. The only lock strength tests I've seen were ColdSteel's, so I was wondering why the results of the two company's respective tests, on the Buck/Strider, showed such different results.

Sundown

[Sundown]

Oh boy. I took a read at the associated thread over at Strider.

Anyway, I recommend it to all so as to get a fuller view of what's being said, by whom, and how, here versus there. Also note post-times as they relate to post-tone. Interesting.

Yeah, reading that really upset me! Anybody who cares to look at the other forum will plainly see that neither Mr. Glesser nor Mr. Strider are to blame for the exchange that took place. It was just a member of both camps playing both sides against the middle. Thank you, Tortoise! :cool:

Sundown

[severedthumbs]

why would someone do that?

and please tell us who it is so we can flame him. :mad:

[tortoise]

why would someone do that?

and please tell us who it is so we can flame him. :mad:

Go read it for yourself and let us know what you think.