Ball Bearing Lock, why not on more knives?

[atv223]

Curious why the ball bearing lock isn't on more knives then the Manix? I'm guessing people don't like it since the Manix also has a back lock version. I really like the ball bearing lock on my Manix.

[Evil D]

I think the back lock version may be more to do with the original than people just not liking the CBBL. I'm sure it isn't the easiest lock to make, and there's always those who can't exhail without comparing it to the Axis lock and complaining about not being able to unlock it with just their thumb. Seems like Manix 2 sales are pretty strong though.

[Eli Chaps]

I think the back lock version may be more to do with the original than people just not liking the CBBL. I'm sure it isn't the easiest lock to make, and there's always those who can't exhail without comparing it to the Axis lock and complaining about not being able to unlock it with just their thumb. Seems like Manix 2 sales are pretty strong though.

I think there's some truth to this for sure. And I just don't get it. I'm not knocking the maker or those who love the Axis lock but I am not among them. It is my experience that once they break in they are so free-swinging they are almost dangerous. You have to be conscious of keeping your fingers out of the way. Now to some, that is exactly what they love but it isn't for me. I much prefer the CBBL and I also think it is a great lock. While I can disengage both my M2LW's with just my thumb, I don't really get why so many folks ask about this. Pinching the catches on each side as super easy.

Anyway, just some early morning mad ramblings... :p

[Wrathhog]

IMO, it's hard to take the plastic cage serious. It makes the whole knife look cheap and fragile. I know it's a strong lock but plastic? Really? Also the spring used is seriously overkill and not very ergonomic. A spring with half as much strength would suffice and be just as safe (if that's the reason for the strong spring). Unless changes are made, I'm honestly glad it's use is limited in the lineup.

[Wrathhog]

I think the back lock version may be more to do with the original than people just not liking the CBBL. I'm sure it isn't the easiest lock to make, and there's always those who can't exhail without comparing it to the Axis lock and complaining about not being able to unlock it with just their thumb. Seems like Manix 2 sales are pretty strong though.

I own numerous BM knives and I've never even considered just using my thumb. In fact, I just tried it and it doesn't work very well. It puts the whole system in a bind. As far as comparing the CBBL to the axis lock, it's hard not to compare being as they operate similarly, although much different locks internally. I can't say either are my favorite lock, but if I had to choose one of the two to carry it would be the axis lock because of the smoother operation.

[bearfacedkiller]

While I like the idea of a metal cage on the G10 Manix I think it is also worth noting that price has always been a design factor and adding a metal cage would undoubtedly up the price a tad.

I am surprised there is not an aftermarket cage available. I know I heard the idea thrown around.

Also, I haven't seen many reports of broken cages.

[Joris Mo]

Although I expected the backlock Manix to become a favorite, with backlocks being my favorite lock, the original Manix 2 LW is still my favorite. Love the weight, slimmness and priceclass on that version and the ballbearing lock might be becoming a 2nd best lock for me. I really prefer a backlock for keeping a blade closed as well as open but the ballbearing lock does that quite well too.
Would definitely not mind to see some more blades build like this, who knows someday a D'Allara and Q-Ball with caged ball bearing lock in Japanese FRN? Sounds good to me! :)
(wouldn't mind extra steel options in the Manix 2 LW either )

[Evil D]

While I like the idea of a metal cage on the G10 Manix I think it is also worth noting that price has always been a design factor and adding a metal cage would undoubtedly up the price a tad.

I am surprised there is not an aftermarket cage available. I know I heard the idea thrown around.

Also, I haven't seen many reports of broken cages.

There was a titanium cage in the works but seems like I heard the idea fell through. I'd be on board just for the cool factor.

[Canazes9]

I like the CBBL better than any lock Spydeco makes. It's a little stiff when new, but works in nicely. Unfortunately, the Manix2 is a little wider than I care for in my pocket, but I would certainly be interested in purchasing a slimmer version. Have been interested in the D'Allara, not sure if I would like the BBL w/o the cage.

David

[wrdwrght]

I vaguely recall Jim Ankerson had an early saber-grind Manix2 whose cage failed. Spyderco, true to form, took the knife in for analysis and determined a different polymer was needed. Has a new plastic cage ever failed? I've had not a hint on any of my five Manix2's sprints/exclusives, and I use them all.

[Eee]

I vaguely recall Jim Ankerson had an early saber-grind Manix2 whose cage failed. Spyderco, true to form, took the knife in for analysis and determined a different polymer was needed. Has a new plastic cage ever failed? I've had not a hint on any of my five Manix2's sprints/exclusives, and I use them all.

IMO, it's hard to take the plastic cage serious. It makes the whole knife look cheap and fragile. I know it's a strong lock but plastic? Really? Also the spring used is seriously overkill and not very ergonomic. A spring with half as much strength would suffice and be just as safe (if that's the reason for the strong spring). Unless changes are made, I'm honestly glad it's use is limited in the lineup.

I recall (and my recollection is far from perfect) that the failed Manix 2 was because the ball bounced out of true under dynamic loading which then caused all sorts of damage to the cage and lock. I had always assumed the heavy spring was to prevent this ever happening again.

[vivi]

I've never had issues operating the caged version of this lock with just my thumb.

That being said I don't see any advantages in my use of the CBBL over the backlock. I like the Manix XL more than the X95 Manix due to the thinner blade, lighter weight and DLC options available, but I'd prefer the backlock for a stronger self close which makes the knife safer to carry.

[ZrowsN1s]

I'd rank my preference Compression, CBBL, Backlock. Not a fan of liner and frame locks.

I open and close my knives a lot, one of the things I really like about the CBBL is that it is extremely resistant to lock wear. On wave knife with a liner lock for example you will find after a few months of hard opens, lock rock will set in. On a CBBL like the P'Kal for example, repeated wave openings doesn't seem to induce the same blade play or lock failure that I've experienced with liner locks.
Also if you are going to use your knife with any amount of enthusiasm (or force), the CBBL is a strong and reliable lock.
*(Would I be wrong in claiming it is the strongest lock availible?)

[Evil D]

*(Would I be wrong in claiming it is the strongest lock availible?)

The weak point will end up being the stop pins and or pivot screws sheering off. That or the ball managing to slip out/off the tang.

[Wanimator]

*(Would I be wrong in claiming it is the strongest lock availible?)

The weak point will end up being the stop pins and or pivot screws sheering off. That or the ball managing to slip out/off the tang.

They could use differing methods of mounting the point of stress though.

[ZrowsN1s]

I was hoping one of the Lil Natives will be a CBBL :D

[lexrexus]

I love my ball lock and the way the blade opens and closes - 1 handed close easier than back lock, though operating takes thumb and forefinger - no big deal - takes 2 minutes to get used to that.

Don't know what I've got, but I'd guess its a Manix. Not flat ground like Mnx2, and (very) slightly shorter blade and overall.. flat through length except below open-hole is hollow ground. S30v. love the knife, love the edge holding ability. My guess is over 3 oz.s, too, comparing to light Manix 2.

What have I got? Anyone know?

[vivi]

1 handed close easier than back lock, though operating takes thumb and forefinger - no big deal - takes 2 minutes to get used to

:confused: :confused: :confused: https://streamable.com/8yxc5 :confused: :confused: :confused:

[lexrexus]

I do similar w/my other Spydrs - Ball lock and gravity close much less complex - more enjoyable.

Thanx! What have I got??

[vivi]

Anytime I try to gravity close my Manix XL it bounces back to a slightly open position so it takes longer for me than manually closing it. Maybe I'm doing something wrong :p