**** scary knife
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loki88
**** scary knife
My new and first Civilian arrived in the mail today. Nicely packed in its pouch. Great feel heft, but **** when u open that blade i feel rather uneasy having it in my hand. This is a zero tolerance knife. No rooms for error. The tip is extremely sharp and very pointy. I tried some shifting from saber to pikal and all went great (above grass). Very positive lockup in the hand. Knife feels great. My wife asked me if that was the knife i was waiting for so long. "it looks like all the other knives u have"? But when i opened it she looked at me in a funny way and said "THAT is not a toy"! This is the first knife that makes me feel unconfortable with when deployed. Now the funny part. Because every time some one needs to cut something i now have to look for another Spyderco to cut with. U look like a fool trying to cut a package with a blunt butterknife, when u have a sharp Civilian on your person and a drawer filled with Spyderco's. I think i'll put my cricket into full service as my cutter from now on. :D
insulted
My civie feels insulted a little - and says : "i'm not a utility knife! i'm here to save your life- when necessary. of course i look frightening - that is because the bad guy will think twice before attacking - and my built also enables someone who has no mbc training at all to be efficient - it takes only a small thrust with an angle to cause much damage.
do not compare me to any other knife. i am one of a kind - as my life here is - only one life..."
do not compare me to any other knife. i am one of a kind - as my life here is - only one life..."
Aloha loki88!
Congrats on the Civi! Man, I ALMOST got a PE Aluminum version but a cop beat me to it. :mad:
Anyways, I have the Matriarch and HAVE used it for EDC things. I know I'm not supposed to but, heck, it was the only knife on me. (Well, actually, I did have my faithful Ladybug, but I wanted to see how well this paper thin tip would hold up!)
Ahhhhh, maybe one day I'll be able to land a TRUE Civi...I don;t see this one as scary, to me, it's TERRIFYING! BUT... it is a beauty as well!!!
Congrats on the Civi! Man, I ALMOST got a PE Aluminum version but a cop beat me to it. :mad:
Anyways, I have the Matriarch and HAVE used it for EDC things. I know I'm not supposed to but, heck, it was the only knife on me. (Well, actually, I did have my faithful Ladybug, but I wanted to see how well this paper thin tip would hold up!)
Ahhhhh, maybe one day I'll be able to land a TRUE Civi...I don;t see this one as scary, to me, it's TERRIFYING! BUT... it is a beauty as well!!!
Proverbs 16:3...Commit YOUR works to the LORD, and YOUR plans WILL succeed!
"Where's the best little big knife not designed by Sal or Eric?" ~ thombrogan, WSM
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Aloha senate!
I agree! LOL! Like I said in my "off topic" post. The Civilian is one of the first knives that comes to mind that made me look like this: :eek:
As you already know, the cop that beat me to my PE Civi made me look like this: :mad:
LOL! God bless!
I agree! LOL! Like I said in my "off topic" post. The Civilian is one of the first knives that comes to mind that made me look like this: :eek:
As you already know, the cop that beat me to my PE Civi made me look like this: :mad:
LOL! God bless!
Proverbs 16:3...Commit YOUR works to the LORD, and YOUR plans WILL succeed!
"Where's the best little big knife not designed by Sal or Eric?" ~ thombrogan, WSM
Avatar by my KnifeBrother, DiAlex...C102 Adventura designer, 2005 Spyderco Forum Knife!
"Where's the best little big knife not designed by Sal or Eric?" ~ thombrogan, WSM
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PE Civi, ouch that's so not cool! they're getting quite hard to get...DAYWALKER wrote:Aloha senate!
I agree! LOL! Like I said in my "off topic" post. The Civilian is one of the first knives that comes to mind that made me look like this: :eek:
As you already know, the cop that beat me to my PE Civi made me look like this: :mad:
LOL! God bless!
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The Deacon
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Know what you mean loki, most days I'd never think of taking mine out in public. :eek: Sometimes though, my dark side tries to convince me it would be the perfect knife to have with me when the office gang gets pizzas delivered. :D
Paul
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WTC # 1458 - 1504 - 1508 - Never Forget, Never Forgive!
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WTC # 1458 - 1504 - 1508 - Never Forget, Never Forgive!
Paul...stop...please....
Aaaaargh!
God bless ya buddy! Have a great day at work with your *Gulp* "Pizza cutting Civi"!
Aaaaargh!
God bless ya buddy! Have a great day at work with your *Gulp* "Pizza cutting Civi"!
Proverbs 16:3...Commit YOUR works to the LORD, and YOUR plans WILL succeed!
"Where's the best little big knife not designed by Sal or Eric?" ~ thombrogan, WSM
Avatar by my KnifeBrother, DiAlex...C102 Adventura designer, 2005 Spyderco Forum Knife!
"Where's the best little big knife not designed by Sal or Eric?" ~ thombrogan, WSM
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Let's Be CIVIL
:rolleyes: :spyder: I got my Civilian about 3 months ago. I like it but I do like the Matriarch a little bit better. In my case I think it will be more mobil in a nasty situation. I would really love to have a PE version my own self. I am also on the hunt for a PE Spyderhawk ( My very favorite of all the curved Spyder blades). I do consider the Civilian a long term keeper for sure. There is not a bad :spyder: out there. There are just some I like better than others, that's all. Oh it's rumored that the Civilian is kin to Mr. Dodo. Ha ha :spyder: :D
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loki88
i solved the problem by hanging my SS cricket w.o. pocket clip to my keychain( streamlight kubotan),so now i have a cutting knife (i like reverse S) and a purebred defendor. It's sounds weird but i always seem to get an urge to deploy the blade. I sometimes do it when i'm alone but the feeling keeps sneaking up on me when out in public. As i am smart enough to realise that it would be stupid to attract attention on yourself, i don't. But just the thought of carrying it is a teaser! :-) there are some improvements IMHO. I would like the same bladeconfiguration in mate black with the serrations on top of the hump on the blade!!! "The nightstalker". Reminds me of thet America's funniest home video theme "when u least expect it, some one gets it"! Don't mess with the white hats :D
My Civilian also scares me every time I take it out of the pouch. I thank God I do not live in an area where I have to carry it for protection. It is for my collection, but at times I think I should give it to my California Highway Patrol officer friend who would carry it for a backup. I do show it to my friends who are interested in knives and receive many comments about such a scary weapon. :eek:
:spyder: Collector # 047
:spyder: Collector # 047
C.P. Adams Jr.
Do you remember what was probably the most memorable, and funniest, knife scene in a movie was? You got it, the one where Crocodile Dundee’s says, “That’s not a knife, this is a knife.” It’s fun to speculate about some predator’s response to the Civilian being deployed, but only in its proper context, that of pure fantasy! Personally, and in reality, I think it’s a very bad idea to rely on brandishing a knife to scare away a potential predator as a viable self-defense tactic, so much can go wrong. In fact, in many jurisdictions, you can (and probably will) be charged with “assault with a deadly weapon,” even if the other guy’s intent was to attack you! The moment you brandish a knife, or any other weapon for that matter, the bad guy now has, “justification to use lethal force.”
You think about that for a moment. A predator comes up and “interviews you,” maybe he asks you the time or for a cigarette so that he can distract you from the approach of his buddy coming up behind you. You, fearing for your life, brandish your knife in an attempt to scare him away, bad guy number two shoots you from behind. "But your honor, my client, who was minding his own business’, shot Mr. So-and-so because he feared for his life after Mr. So-and-so pulled out a knife.” Clear-cut self-defense, case dismissed (although he may still be charged with possession of an illegal firearm). Think this doesn’t happen? Reality is a slap to the head of the uninitiated, blissfully ignorant, and unaware. It has happened, it does happen, and will continue to happen! Reality dictates an altogether different tactic, and should be used strictly for when your life is in imminent danger, doubly so for the Civilian.
Your first line of self-defense must be critical awareness of your surroundings! This does not mean a cursory glance once-in-a-while, you must be diligent to consistently observe and analyze your surroundings. Does this mean you need to become paranoid? No, it’s choosing rationality over oblivious. I don’t walk around mumbling incoherent things about conspiracies and such, I simply choose to avoid going places, especially with my family, where I know it’s dangerous. Example, I watched a shocking video clip recently of a woman who walked with determined purpose across a row of train tracks, and not bothering to look around a stopped train (remember, multiple train tracks), she died instantly when a diesel locomotive struck and hurled her flopping lifeless body nearly 30-feet away! Maintaining a self-defense mindset of awareness would have saved her life! My point is, pay attention people! Pay attention! In this, choose to be diligently rational and observant.
Your second line of defense is to be prepared and have a plan: whether it’s a plan to attack, to defend, or to escape. Make a habit of checking for emergency exits at the restaurants or stores you visit. Maybe take a self-defense course (which is part of planning and preparation). Also, get into the habit of planning on the fly as you visit various restaurants and stores. Check your local laws! Understand what is legal and not legal for your area regarding the carry and or deployment of any tool, or action, used in self-defense. As an example, in California it does not matter if it’s a knife, a pen, a cane, a gun, or a brick, the moment you brandish it with intent to do bodily harm without “just cause,” and even with reasonable cause in some cases (“your word against mine,” sayeth the bad guy), it’s considered assault with a deadly weapon (covered under California PC 12020), you can be charged. I’m not saying not to carry a knife, I’m not saying you can’t defend yourself, I am saying to be aware of what the laws are, and what’s viable (capable of living), talk to your attorney.
The following tactic is not my advice to anyone, this is my own choice, along with some of the reasons I’d chosen it as a viable (capable of living) option. Let me preface it with a concept: I rationally choose to avoid potential violent encounters as I would choose to avoid touching an obviously infectious person covered with suppurating lesions without taking reasonable and necessary precautions. I don't allow myself to get caught up in any ego based altercations with "*match fight" potential. I avoid bars, and most often I'm with my family, so, my first concern is their safety. That said, I choose to deploy my self-defense tools with **artifice when I have rationally judged that my life, and or the lives of my wife and children, to be in imminent danger. This means that the bad guy has shown intent, and the means (size or number, and can include such weapons as a brick, knife, club, or a ***gun), to do me and or my family great bodily harm. Lastly, this also means that the bad guy will not know I have a knife (gun, pen, or whatever) until I’ve cut (stabbed, shot, or hit) him with it. Once deployed, I will keep cutting (stabbing, shooting, or hitting) him until he is no longer a threat, or until I can get my family, and or myself, to safety.
If you can carry the Civilian in your area, it's an excellent tool for saving your life, don't arbitrarily dismiss it because you fear it, that's just plain irrational. Don't be afraid of your tools, they have no volition, they are inanimate objects! It's either inept handling, or the intent of a man (or woman) that makes a tool dangerous.
* An ego based match fight is where both participants, willing or unwilling, professional or street brawl, know there's gonna be a fight, in this situation, the more determined, faster, stronger, and skilled fighter almost always wins.
** Artifice means "covertly," I won't discuss particulars of how or when the knife is removed from my pocket and opened because that gets into issues that are typically dependent on local laws and law enforcement discretion.
***Gun versus knife, "Well, what if he has a gun?" And, "You just don't bring a knife to a gun fight." Okay, another reason not to brandish a knife, he pulls out his .38 and you're toast. But if you're gesturing obsequiously after he pulls a gun on you without knowing that you have a knife you just secreted in your left hand and now hold down by your thigh, especially one like the Civilian, think he's gonna be able to pull the trigger after half of his forearm muscle and skin tissue is suddenly severed and dangling from his arm? What about afterwards when you keep slashing violently at his head, arms, chest and shoulders? In close quarters, a knife almost always reigns supreme.
You think about that for a moment. A predator comes up and “interviews you,” maybe he asks you the time or for a cigarette so that he can distract you from the approach of his buddy coming up behind you. You, fearing for your life, brandish your knife in an attempt to scare him away, bad guy number two shoots you from behind. "But your honor, my client, who was minding his own business’, shot Mr. So-and-so because he feared for his life after Mr. So-and-so pulled out a knife.” Clear-cut self-defense, case dismissed (although he may still be charged with possession of an illegal firearm). Think this doesn’t happen? Reality is a slap to the head of the uninitiated, blissfully ignorant, and unaware. It has happened, it does happen, and will continue to happen! Reality dictates an altogether different tactic, and should be used strictly for when your life is in imminent danger, doubly so for the Civilian.
Your first line of self-defense must be critical awareness of your surroundings! This does not mean a cursory glance once-in-a-while, you must be diligent to consistently observe and analyze your surroundings. Does this mean you need to become paranoid? No, it’s choosing rationality over oblivious. I don’t walk around mumbling incoherent things about conspiracies and such, I simply choose to avoid going places, especially with my family, where I know it’s dangerous. Example, I watched a shocking video clip recently of a woman who walked with determined purpose across a row of train tracks, and not bothering to look around a stopped train (remember, multiple train tracks), she died instantly when a diesel locomotive struck and hurled her flopping lifeless body nearly 30-feet away! Maintaining a self-defense mindset of awareness would have saved her life! My point is, pay attention people! Pay attention! In this, choose to be diligently rational and observant.
Your second line of defense is to be prepared and have a plan: whether it’s a plan to attack, to defend, or to escape. Make a habit of checking for emergency exits at the restaurants or stores you visit. Maybe take a self-defense course (which is part of planning and preparation). Also, get into the habit of planning on the fly as you visit various restaurants and stores. Check your local laws! Understand what is legal and not legal for your area regarding the carry and or deployment of any tool, or action, used in self-defense. As an example, in California it does not matter if it’s a knife, a pen, a cane, a gun, or a brick, the moment you brandish it with intent to do bodily harm without “just cause,” and even with reasonable cause in some cases (“your word against mine,” sayeth the bad guy), it’s considered assault with a deadly weapon (covered under California PC 12020), you can be charged. I’m not saying not to carry a knife, I’m not saying you can’t defend yourself, I am saying to be aware of what the laws are, and what’s viable (capable of living), talk to your attorney.
The following tactic is not my advice to anyone, this is my own choice, along with some of the reasons I’d chosen it as a viable (capable of living) option. Let me preface it with a concept: I rationally choose to avoid potential violent encounters as I would choose to avoid touching an obviously infectious person covered with suppurating lesions without taking reasonable and necessary precautions. I don't allow myself to get caught up in any ego based altercations with "*match fight" potential. I avoid bars, and most often I'm with my family, so, my first concern is their safety. That said, I choose to deploy my self-defense tools with **artifice when I have rationally judged that my life, and or the lives of my wife and children, to be in imminent danger. This means that the bad guy has shown intent, and the means (size or number, and can include such weapons as a brick, knife, club, or a ***gun), to do me and or my family great bodily harm. Lastly, this also means that the bad guy will not know I have a knife (gun, pen, or whatever) until I’ve cut (stabbed, shot, or hit) him with it. Once deployed, I will keep cutting (stabbing, shooting, or hitting) him until he is no longer a threat, or until I can get my family, and or myself, to safety.
If you can carry the Civilian in your area, it's an excellent tool for saving your life, don't arbitrarily dismiss it because you fear it, that's just plain irrational. Don't be afraid of your tools, they have no volition, they are inanimate objects! It's either inept handling, or the intent of a man (or woman) that makes a tool dangerous.
* An ego based match fight is where both participants, willing or unwilling, professional or street brawl, know there's gonna be a fight, in this situation, the more determined, faster, stronger, and skilled fighter almost always wins.
** Artifice means "covertly," I won't discuss particulars of how or when the knife is removed from my pocket and opened because that gets into issues that are typically dependent on local laws and law enforcement discretion.
***Gun versus knife, "Well, what if he has a gun?" And, "You just don't bring a knife to a gun fight." Okay, another reason not to brandish a knife, he pulls out his .38 and you're toast. But if you're gesturing obsequiously after he pulls a gun on you without knowing that you have a knife you just secreted in your left hand and now hold down by your thigh, especially one like the Civilian, think he's gonna be able to pull the trigger after half of his forearm muscle and skin tissue is suddenly severed and dangling from his arm? What about afterwards when you keep slashing violently at his head, arms, chest and shoulders? In close quarters, a knife almost always reigns supreme.
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