Red loctite

[Liquid Cobra]

Yup that matches my experience.

[freebird610]

This is from Charlynn in warranty. I asked several months ago.

"We use loctite 243 (the blue one) or 262 (the red one) depending on the screw."

I've purchased several Paramilitary 2 sprints in the past few months. Of the ones I've disassembled, every single one had red loctite on the body screws, but I didn't notice any on the clip screws.

I can second that. I have taken apart several Pm2's and Manix 2's all recent production. All of which had red Loctite on the frame/body and pivot screws. Clip screws did not. Most are pretty difficult to remove but not terrible if you have a good torx bit. I use wiha. I did however have a stop pin screw on a PM2's that required vice grips and a wood burner to heat up the screw head. That thing was loaded with red Loctite. I actually don't mind the use of red Loctite. As long as you know what your getting into and have the right tools you can handle it. Aside from the one stop pin screw I didn't need heat or anything special other than a good torx bit. Nothing more annoying than screws loosing imho. I've also found that if a blade is torqued good side to side blue Loctite on the pivot can loosen. The red ain't budging.

[wrdwrght]

I'm no longer skeptical, but I am surprised.

[zenheretic]

Yeah, I've been watching in the group the OP is talking about. Being oldschool, I have never felt the need to take my knife apart. Some of them seem fanatical about buying knife, take it apart to "clean it" then reassemble. However, when you put screws on something you have to expect people will take it apart. Also, you can't be in this industry and not know there is growing secondary market selling scales, back spacers, lanyard holes, etc. in a dizzying variation of colors and materials.

This red loctite business is causing people to wreck their screws. Then there is a backlash when they can't get more screws. They used to sell kits for the Delica and Endura, seems like they should sell parts kits for other high selling models. The Para series seems to high up on the take apart list. That one should have a parts kit of screws available to purchase. Would reduce stress on warranty department, make customers happy, and increase sales.

[toomzz]

This red loctite business is causing people to wreck their screws. Then there is a backlash when they can't get more screws. They used to sell kits for the Delica and Endura, seems like they should sell parts kits for other high selling models. The Para series seems to high up on the take apart list. That one should have a parts kit of screws available to purchase. Would reduce stress on warranty department, make customers happy, and increase sales.

+1

[valenciamanu]

I love Spyderco. I do not like Spyderco with red loctite. If it has screws they have to be able to disassemble. If you can not then I prefer rivet for being more robust. The screws with red loctite for my board the worst of the screws and the rivets. Anyway, nothing happens, I already have spydercos for three lives

[The Mastiff]

I think the broken /stripped screws and knife frames goes back as long as Spyderco put out knives with screws and not just pins. I know there were complaints long before they came out with the rebuild kits for the Delica and Endura.

The main reason I don't take my knives apart is I'm ham-handed and break small parts. I've gotten along just fine without taking my knives apart. On the other hand I like looking at other peoples customized knives that they personalized just right.

Pretty much the same technique is used for red and blue thread locker. Enough heat and the correct sized and cut tool used with enough but not too much force. Not everybody can take these things apart even when no thread locker is used. Some like me shouldn't even try.

It's good seeing you back here Zen.

Joe

[zenheretic]

Thanks Joe, good to see some of the old guard.

[Jazz]

All we're going to end up with are a bunch of ruined torx bits and stripped screw heads. Red is not good - not good at all, especially on the pivot. You might as well just rivet everything. I broke the tip of a torx off in a screw once. What do you do for that? It's still in there. I think blue is plenty strong enough to keep from losing screws.

[toomzz]

Received a NIB PM2 S110V manufactured 09-16 yesterday in the mail. It had red loctite in its screws (except for the clipscrews). Boy, those screws were tight. Luckily I have double torx-screwdrivers After heathening the knife with an hairdryer, in plastic beaks in a vise I could loosen them and remove the stuff from its threads. Please :spyder: spare-sets for the Millie and PM!

[valenciamanu]

I'm thinking about returning my native 5. All I'm on term. I do not want loctite red

[ejames13]

I've been able to remove the red loctited screws on all the ones I've gotten without using heat, but man I really had to crank down on them. Heating them up is definitely preferred. I'm just lazy. As long as you push hard INTO the screw as you're twisting, and you have a good torx set, you should be OK.

Of course this would all be moot if they just stuck with the Blue 243. Really hoping someone from Spyderco will chime in and explain why they changed.

[NickShabazz]

Can confirm a permanent threadlocker (until heat is applied) on the Spydiechef, K2, Native 5 (S110V) and last few PM2s to cross my desk. Frustrating and ugly, especially given that they don't offer replacement screws, but nothing that a hairdryer can't fix. But it's kind of part-and-parcel with the warranty policy of "No disassembly". Hope both change :)

[MattM68]

Can confirm a permanent threadlocker (until heat is applied) on the Spydiechef, K2, Native 5 (S110V) and last few PM2s to cross my desk. Frustrating and ugly, especially given that they don't offer replacement screws, but nothing that a hairdryer can't fix. But it's kind of part-and-parcel with the warranty policy of "No disassembly". Hope both change :)

Hey Nick, have you tried asking W&R for a new set of screws? Every time I've asked, they sent me some, no questions asked. I too wish the "No disassembly" policy would change. If you break or lose something, that's on you. But I don't think the warranty should be void.

Love the YouTube channel by the way :D

Matt

[Wanimator]

I can confirm there has been red loctite placed in my Para 2's pivot. Egh... why? Also why aren't they giving screws out anymore? This is really hurting me as a customer, it was one of the reasons I love Spyderco. I don't disassemble my knives but part of the cleaning process is indeed loosening the pivot to properly dry it and oil it, not too mention getting a healthy amount of oil down there between washers and into the pivot barrel.

[ejames13]

Can confirm a permanent threadlocker (until heat is applied) on the Spydiechef, K2, Native 5 (S110V) and last few PM2s to cross my desk. Frustrating and ugly, especially given that they don't offer replacement screws, but nothing that a hairdryer can't fix. But it's kind of part-and-parcel with the warranty policy of "No disassembly". Hope both change :)

Hey Nick, have you tried asking W&R for a new set of screws? Every time I've asked, they sent me some, no questions asked. I too wish the "No disassembly" policy would change. If you break or lose something, that's on you. But I don't think the warranty should be void.

Love the YouTube channel by the way :D

Matt

The warranty is only voided if there is damage caused by disassembly. If you disassemble and reassemble correctly you shouldn't have any issues with sending it in to W&R.

[MattM68]

ejames13, I'm almost 100% sure any form of disassembly voids the warranty, but I would love it if you were right! :D

[ABX2011]

They should sell replacement screws and they should also sell a branded torx kit made by Wiha or another quality manufacturer. Just my opinion!

[Horizon]

I'm surprised that there hasn't been an official response here from Golden.

[Wanimator]

I'm surprised that there hasn't been an official response here from Golden.

Me too, wonder if they're putting their foot down on us.