How to improve the Manix 2

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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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Mikael,
All jokes aside, I am in fact employed by a major European defence contractor as a mechanical design draftsman and I work on a Naval base here in Sydney. We work on repair and maintenance of Naval Surface Vessels, admittedly we don’t design knives.

My experience in knife design is limited to a picture I once sketched of a knife many years ago. I have however consulted our design team with the goal to resolving the unacceptable balance and blade to handle ratios that plaque the Manix 2. It is for these very reason I refuse to buy a Manix 2 myself!

We would like to propose an alternative to your complete blade replacement proposal. Would you consider removal of handle material? That being, we could remove excess material from the fore end of the handle and still maintain the handles integrity. How much material would be dependent on several factors we cannot calculate at this time without physical handling the knife. This would significantly increase the blade length and resolve the balance and the blade to handle ratio. Furthermore you many also choose to remove material from the rear of the handle and further enhance the overall balance and handle to blade ratio which is understandably causing you such concern.

Should you wish, you could post us your knife for a detailed analysis of the issues you raise and we will submit a comprehensive Detailed Proposed Change document for you to review.
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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The best way to improve the Manix 2 is to buy another one. :D
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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I like mine 99% as they are.
I have 4 of the standard size version and 2 of the XL version.

I like the handle size, shape and jimping. I like the blade size and shape. Of course I wouldn't mine a longer blade but I don't think it could be much longer.

I wouldn't mind a slightly lighter coil spring in the lock. I've seen a few of the ball cages break so I think a metal cage would be an improvement. It wouldn't have to be ti though, it could be aluminum.
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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Bloke wrote: we could remove excess material from the fore end of the handle and still maintain the handles integrity. How much material would be dependent on several factors we cannot calculate at this time without physical handling
You want to give the manix a circumcision?
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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No, no……..that's plain silly! There is a major design deficiency in this particular model that has either been missed, or overlooked by Spyderco altogether. Thankfully, Mikael has bought this issue to the fore and we are currently working to rectify this situation. We have a design team mustered and ready to deploy and eagerly await Mikael’s direction!
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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bdblue wrote: I've seen a few of the ball cages break so I think a metal cage would be an improvement.
This... clear BBL cage broke on my Manix (my fault) while assembling after cleaning and I can't even buy that spare small plastic
(I know.. "polymer") part worth probably 50 cents! I've contacted with Spyderco's CS and got an info that I have to send the knife overseas (expensive option/+customs fees/tax) to be serviced there is no other option to fix my knife... I know that this silly but such a small "issue" is very annoying, knowing that other knife brands send spare parts ever for free when asked (benchmade/kershaw/etc.). I'm kind of disappointed... I even thought about to stop buying Spyderco knives for a poor service (in my opinion)...

So, that "metal" cage would spare a lot of disappointments in the future...
My spyder:'s: Military Camo, Paramilitary 2 CTS-XHP Orange, Paramilitary 2 CTS-204P Green, Endura 4 ZDP-189 ComboEdge BRG, Endura 4 ZDP-189 FFG BRG, Manix 2 Lightweight Blue, Caly 3 G-10, Salt 1 Yellow SE C88SYL, Ulize, Manix I C95, Manix 2 XL S90v CF, Delica 4 CE Black C11PCBBK, Manix 2 154CM, Military All Black C36GPBK, Stretch SE C90SBK Black FRN, Caly3 CF ZDP-189/420J2, Sage 3 BoltLock CF, Gayle Bradley C134CFP, Squarehead C193TIP, Pacific Salt Yellow SE C91SYL, Pacific Salt Black C91PBK, Ladybug 3 Salt LYL3, Stretch CF ZDP-189 C90CF, Lum Large Chinese Folder C143G, Perrin Street Bowie FB04PBB, Mantra Titanium C202TI, Farid K-2 Titanium C185TI, Para 3 C223GPGYCW Para 3 Cruwear
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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Bloke wrote:Mikael,
All jokes aside, I am in fact employed by a major European defence contractor as a mechanical design draftsman and I work on a Naval base here in Sydney. We work on repair and maintenance of Naval Surface Vessels, admittedly we don’t design knives.

My experience in knife design is limited to a picture I once sketched of a knife many years ago. I have however consulted our design team with the goal to resolving the unacceptable balance and blade to handle ratios that plaque the Manix 2. It is for these very reason I refuse to buy a Manix 2 myself!

We would like to propose an alternative to your complete blade replacement proposal. Would you consider removal of handle material? That being, we could remove excess material from the fore end of the handle and still maintain the handles integrity. How much material would be dependent on several factors we cannot calculate at this time without physical handling the knife. This would significantly increase the blade length and resolve the balance and the blade to handle ratio. Furthermore you many also choose to remove material from the rear of the handle and further enhance the overall balance and handle to blade ratio which is understandably causing you such concern.

Should you wish, you could post us your knife for a detailed analysis of the issues you raise and we will submit a comprehensive Detailed Proposed Change document for you to review.
;)

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The handle on the Manix 2 is great and should not be changed... it would be far better to increase the blade length to 3.46'' with a new type of blade steel and preferably paired with moon glow side scales. ;)
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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tap78 wrote:
bdblue wrote: I've seen a few of the ball cages break so I think a metal cage would be an improvement.
This... clear BBL cage broke on my Manix (my fault) while assembling after cleaning and I can't even buy that spare small plastic
(I know.. "polymer") part worth probably 50 cents! I've contacted with Spyderco's CS and got an info that I have to send the knife overseas (expensive option/+customs fees/tax) to be serviced there is no other option to fix my knife... I know that this silly but such a small "issue" is very annoying, knowing that other knife brands send spare parts ever for free when asked (benchmade/kershaw/etc.). I'm kind of disappointed... I even thought about to stop buying Spyderco knives for a poor service (in my opinion)...

So, that "metal" cage would spare a lot of disappointments in the future...
Benchmade makes all of the parts of the axis lock out of metal and that's the way to go, imo.
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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...and they send a spare omegas if You need to...
My spyder:'s: Military Camo, Paramilitary 2 CTS-XHP Orange, Paramilitary 2 CTS-204P Green, Endura 4 ZDP-189 ComboEdge BRG, Endura 4 ZDP-189 FFG BRG, Manix 2 Lightweight Blue, Caly 3 G-10, Salt 1 Yellow SE C88SYL, Ulize, Manix I C95, Manix 2 XL S90v CF, Delica 4 CE Black C11PCBBK, Manix 2 154CM, Military All Black C36GPBK, Stretch SE C90SBK Black FRN, Caly3 CF ZDP-189/420J2, Sage 3 BoltLock CF, Gayle Bradley C134CFP, Squarehead C193TIP, Pacific Salt Yellow SE C91SYL, Pacific Salt Black C91PBK, Ladybug 3 Salt LYL3, Stretch CF ZDP-189 C90CF, Lum Large Chinese Folder C143G, Perrin Street Bowie FB04PBB, Mantra Titanium C202TI, Farid K-2 Titanium C185TI, Para 3 C223GPGYCW Para 3 Cruwear
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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I think your probably right about the handle. Keep up the good work, mate! :)
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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tap78 wrote:
bdblue wrote: I've seen a few of the ball cages break so I think a metal cage would be an improvement.
This... clear BBL cage broke on my Manix (my fault) while assembling after cleaning and I can't even buy that spare small plastic
(I know.. "polymer") part worth probably 50 cents! I've contacted with Spyderco's CS and got an info that I have to send the knife overseas (expensive option/+customs fees/tax) to be serviced there is no other option to fix my knife...
Not so- there's another option that will run you a whole $7 that I devised!
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69190&p=1057846&hil ... x#p1052607

Also- an aluminum cage wouldn't actually be stronger: Tensile strengths in MPa, quoting my own post in the linked thread:
Polycarbonate's tensile strength is 70 MPa
Pure aluminium is 50 MPa!
An ally alloy would be stronger, but they are a sod to cast well-
Lost-wax casting in brass (150 MPa or thereabouts) is a possibility but ain't gonna be all that cheap.
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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demoncase wrote: Not so- there's another option that will run you a whole $7 that I devised!
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69190&p=1057846&hil ... x#p1052607
I know that fix, but my cage broke differently...
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demoncase wrote: Also- an aluminum cage wouldn't actually be stronger: Tensile strengths in MPa, quoting my own post in the linked thread:
[...]
Polycarbonate's tensile strength is 70 MPa
Pure aluminium is 50 MPa!
it doesn't matter not in my case :)
but I'll drill a tiny hole in cage and put a metal pin to hold the spring in right position...

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My spyder:'s: Military Camo, Paramilitary 2 CTS-XHP Orange, Paramilitary 2 CTS-204P Green, Endura 4 ZDP-189 ComboEdge BRG, Endura 4 ZDP-189 FFG BRG, Manix 2 Lightweight Blue, Caly 3 G-10, Salt 1 Yellow SE C88SYL, Ulize, Manix I C95, Manix 2 XL S90v CF, Delica 4 CE Black C11PCBBK, Manix 2 154CM, Military All Black C36GPBK, Stretch SE C90SBK Black FRN, Caly3 CF ZDP-189/420J2, Sage 3 BoltLock CF, Gayle Bradley C134CFP, Squarehead C193TIP, Pacific Salt Yellow SE C91SYL, Pacific Salt Black C91PBK, Ladybug 3 Salt LYL3, Stretch CF ZDP-189 C90CF, Lum Large Chinese Folder C143G, Perrin Street Bowie FB04PBB, Mantra Titanium C202TI, Farid K-2 Titanium C185TI, Para 3 C223GPGYCW Para 3 Cruwear
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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I've got a Manix 2 CF S90V. Doesn't need a single improvement.
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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Climb14er wrote:I've got a Manix 2 CF S90V. Doesn't need a single improvement.
So you are happy with some parts of the lock being made out of plastic?

Because I sure ain't.
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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Mikael Andersson wrote:
Climb14er wrote:I've got a Manix 2 CF S90V. Doesn't need a single improvement.
So you are happy with some parts of the lock being made out of plastic?

Because I sure ain't.
Absolutely no problem. If it ever breaks, I'll drop off in Golden for repair.

I've got Axis, Compression, Frame locks and the Manix 2 lock.

They all work fine for me, have... for years.
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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tap78 wrote: [...] but I'll drill a tiny hole in cage and put a metal pin to hold the spring in right position...
here is my fix :)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71475
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My spyder:'s: Military Camo, Paramilitary 2 CTS-XHP Orange, Paramilitary 2 CTS-204P Green, Endura 4 ZDP-189 ComboEdge BRG, Endura 4 ZDP-189 FFG BRG, Manix 2 Lightweight Blue, Caly 3 G-10, Salt 1 Yellow SE C88SYL, Ulize, Manix I C95, Manix 2 XL S90v CF, Delica 4 CE Black C11PCBBK, Manix 2 154CM, Military All Black C36GPBK, Stretch SE C90SBK Black FRN, Caly3 CF ZDP-189/420J2, Sage 3 BoltLock CF, Gayle Bradley C134CFP, Squarehead C193TIP, Pacific Salt Yellow SE C91SYL, Pacific Salt Black C91PBK, Ladybug 3 Salt LYL3, Stretch CF ZDP-189 C90CF, Lum Large Chinese Folder C143G, Perrin Street Bowie FB04PBB, Mantra Titanium C202TI, Farid K-2 Titanium C185TI, Para 3 C223GPGYCW Para 3 Cruwear
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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Here's a link to a thread on the subject of an upgraded bearing cage:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71102
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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The day Spyderco waits for patents to expire and then hops on them instead of staying true to themselves (and innovating) is the day I change brands.

If I wanted an Axis lock...I would buy one. They aren't exactly unicorn rare.
Mikael Andersson wrote:So you are happy with some parts of the lock being made out of plastic?

Because I sure ain't.
This is the same response people had in the 80's when Glock started making "plastic" handguns.
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The word plastic has really become a pejorative for polymers. You can often tell someone's stance on polymers just by their use of the word plastic.
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Re: How to improve the Manix 2

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Blerv wrote:The day Spyderco waits for patents to expire and then hops on them instead of staying true to themselves (and innovating) is the day I change brands.

If I wanted an Axis lock...I would buy one. They aren't exactly unicorn rare.
Mikael Andersson wrote:So you are happy with some parts of the lock being made out of plastic?

Because I sure ain't.
This is the same response people had in the 80's when Glock started making "plastic" handguns.
And they were right.
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