You really need to try a Chaparral...
Though I guess my maybe most wished-for Spydie, the "Chap XL" would have to come to live first in order to offer a size that is to your liking.
The only Seki City lock back I have is the Rockjumper and the lockup is rock solid.Michal O wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:07 amDoes quality of back lock in Japanese Spyderco improved? Around 2008-2010, I bought Police SS and Endura 4 FRN, both of them got very disappointing vertical blade play very quickly, without even abusing it. Some guys who purchased Endura at the same time, had the same problem. So how is this these days?
I heard rumors that before 2000 quality of Spyderco with this lock was much better?
I've always been confused by the negative view most here have on the tri-ad lock. it works great for me, even closing one handed.ladybug93 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:53 amall of my triad lock knives are very solid with no play whatsoever.
my seki backlocks do have a little bit of movement and my native salt has some weird interaction between the blade and lock that allow it to click up and down a miniscule amount, but not really have play.
although spyderco backlocks are plenty strong and sturdy enough, i really don't prefer the lock outside of the salt series. for salts, i enjoy the simplicity and ease of use, even when wet, with gloves, and with either hand. i wouldn't mind a triad lock designed for those scenarios, but it doesn't exist and the spyderco lock is adequate.
i'm curious what issues the triad lock has given people. i know it's slightly more difficult to disengage, but the extra strength and stability are worth that trade for me. the triad lock is the only lock that makes a folder feel like a fixed blade, in my experience. although, to be fair, most of the triad lock blades i have are a bit thicker than the other knives i use, so that might be part of that equation as well.
Its still certainly not as easy to disengage. If the issue is just lock rock, then Im fine with triad or internal stop pins or whatever.vivi wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:26 pmI've always been confused by the negative view most here have on the tri-ad lock. it works great for me, even closing one handed.ladybug93 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:53 amall of my triad lock knives are very solid with no play whatsoever.
my seki backlocks do have a little bit of movement and my native salt has some weird interaction between the blade and lock that allow it to click up and down a miniscule amount, but not really have play.
although spyderco backlocks are plenty strong and sturdy enough, i really don't prefer the lock outside of the salt series. for salts, i enjoy the simplicity and ease of use, even when wet, with gloves, and with either hand. i wouldn't mind a triad lock designed for those scenarios, but it doesn't exist and the spyderco lock is adequate.
i'm curious what issues the triad lock has given people. i know it's slightly more difficult to disengage, but the extra strength and stability are worth that trade for me. the triad lock is the only lock that makes a folder feel like a fixed blade, in my experience. although, to be fair, most of the triad lock blades i have are a bit thicker than the other knives i use, so that might be part of that equation as well.
i think the people around here appreciate the more elegant design language of spyderco to the more harsh and hard use design language of cold steel. i'm happy with either. if i want something to beat on, i grab a cold steel because of a stronger lock and better value. if i want something fancier and more refined, but still cool ugly, i grab a spyderco.vivi wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:26 pmI've always been confused by the negative view most here have on the tri-ad lock. it works great for me, even closing one handed.ladybug93 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:53 amall of my triad lock knives are very solid with no play whatsoever.
my seki backlocks do have a little bit of movement and my native salt has some weird interaction between the blade and lock that allow it to click up and down a miniscule amount, but not really have play.
although spyderco backlocks are plenty strong and sturdy enough, i really don't prefer the lock outside of the salt series. for salts, i enjoy the simplicity and ease of use, even when wet, with gloves, and with either hand. i wouldn't mind a triad lock designed for those scenarios, but it doesn't exist and the spyderco lock is adequate.
i'm curious what issues the triad lock has given people. i know it's slightly more difficult to disengage, but the extra strength and stability are worth that trade for me. the triad lock is the only lock that makes a folder feel like a fixed blade, in my experience. although, to be fair, most of the triad lock blades i have are a bit thicker than the other knives i use, so that might be part of that equation as well.
Treading Rightly wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:41 amLong time lurker here. I’ve carried a knife of some sort for about 35 years. 12 of those years were in the military and many of the rest up to now in law enforcement. Add in general handyman/camping/dad-work throughout. I’m of the opinion that way too much obsession is put into the subject of lock strength and blade play........
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That said, of all the knives I’ve owned and carried for actual duty work, a Spyderco with a mid-lock has been of the majority. It’s the Glock of knives. You may think it’s ugly or you may think it’s awesome.
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One thing you won’t see is a weaker or dangerous lock because of it. I’ve had a Spyderco serve me since the moulded-on clips of the original clipits and have never had a failure. This is in general EDC use as well as combat deployment and emergency use at accidents etc.
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Put on gloves, make it rain, 15°, at night, and under stress. I can get the Spyderco open faster, the traction on the handle is better, the lock is much easier to close, and if I do break it, I get to replace it with a very easy to find new one, and maybe I’ll change colors and blade steels for fun. Lastly, I’m not a fan of the compression lock, just in case you’re thinking I’m just a fanboy. It may be stronger,.....
True. Recons have thumbstuds. They also have G10 & S35VN for the about the same price as FRN & VG10.kennethsime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:18 pmIf you want a similar knife to the Endura which offers a rock-solid lockup, you can pick up a Cold Steel Recon for about the same price. You will lose the round hole
My GSM era Recon 1 shows fit and finish comparable, if not superior to my Pacific Salts. I don't own an Endura to compare to, but the ones I have owned in the past showed more vertical play when new than my Recons.you will lose the excellent fit & finish
My Recon 1 is smoother and has less lock stick than my 4V Manix XL. It's hit or miss here for me. Some of my Cold Steels are very smooth, like my SR1 Lite and 4 Max Scout. Some of my spydies are very smooth. I've also had examples from each company not as smooth as expected.you will lose the sweet action
Ergonomics can be subjective but I consider the ergos on a Recon 1 to be on par with any other folder I own, and I 100% prefer its ergonomics to any generation of Enduras. It's not the most ergonomic knife ever to me, but it's up there.you will lose the refined ergonomics
They haven't used the coarse texture G10 (Same style G10 on Sirens and Yojumbos that no one here seems to mind) in years. They switched over to a more standard texture something like 6 or 7 years ago I believe. The texture on mine is comparable to a stock Military or Native Chief in G10.your knife will shred your jeans because those G-10 handles feel like 80-grit sand paper.
....and get G10/S35VN for under $100, get a nice edge to handle ratio, a (for some, including me) a more ergonomic handle than an Endura, a lower profile clip that affects ergos less, no liners to rust, etc.But sure, you'll lose the lock rock.