Now's The Time: For A New Hawkbill II

[dogrunner]

Well being there is so much celebration and fanfare over this proposed H-1 Dragonfly hawkbill I can't help but think in another direction where Nitrogen Based Steels are concerned.

Also consider a Spyderedged SUPERHAWK with G-10, LC200N and SE of course. Yeah Now's the Time!

I like this idea a lot! Worth a bump.

I would also like to see a Karahawk in SE and one of the N-steels!

[JD Spydo]

Well being there is so much celebration and fanfare over this proposed H-1 Dragonfly hawkbill I can't help but think in another direction where Nitrogen Based Steels are concerned.

Also consider a Spyderedged SUPERHAWK with G-10, LC200N and SE of course. Yeah Now's the Time!

I like this idea a lot! Worth a bump.

I would also like to see a Karahawk in SE and one of the N-steels!

Well Brother you're preaching to a very devout choir on this one Not trying to rock anyone's boat or make any hostile waves at all>> but to me a Hawkbill without a serrated/Spyderedge is like bacon without eggs, Mexican Food without Salsa, or even Fred Astaire without Ginger Rodgers :eek: In other words you would think the two of them would just go hand in hand.

I'm willing to bet that if they did a Sprint Run of the Superhawk in Spyderedge and would also offer the Karahawk in Spyderedge you would see very nice results on the sales charts with both units>> Yes I'm absolutely sure of it. Can you all imagine how few of the Harpy model would have sold had they not offered it up in Spyderedge???? :rolleyes:

[dogrunner]

we can hope :)
and keep the thread alive!
you are right-- it IS time :)

[JD Spydo]

I have no doubt the people selling popular brand knives on the bay are following forums to see what's popular. Threads like this are probably driving up prices.

I agree with you in part EVIL D but not necessarily so all the time. I can give you a sterling example of just the opposite. There were threads going here and at BF about 3 years ago on the original, skeletonized "R" model. And I was able to get my boss both the PE & SE versions of the original "R" model for $175 each. Which wasn't cheap by any means but it wasn't bad as you might have figured either. And yes they were new in the factory box.

But there is a lot of forum following going on no question. But some of these models are priced lofty to begin with and there are some folks that really don't know what they have.

And pertaining to Hawkbill blades there's really just a small segment of knife enthusiasts that care about them at all. Other than something super rare like the blue handled PE VG-10 Spyderhawk I doubt if all the hype on the web would make a great deal of difference.

[mb1]

+1 on a SE Karahawk. I had some thoughts about my plain edge Kara being edc'd...because it's plain edged. But I never want to dull it anyway, so some serrated goodness sounds even better!

[JD Spydo]

+1 on a SE Karahawk. I had some thoughts about my plain edge Kara being edc'd...because it's plain edged. But I never want to dull it anyway, so some serrated goodness sounds even better!

Well I personally may not ever get one unless they end up offering It in Spyderedge. It just makes perfect sense to me. I had often wondered what might have been if the original Spyderco Karambit would have been offered in Spyderedge.

I know there are some here who claim that serrated edges don't do as well in self defense. But when it comes to Hawkbill blades my own jury is still out on that one. And I'll say it again>> any Hawkbill that hasn't been previously offered in Spyderedge should by all means be considered.

[ZrowsN1s]

I know there are some here who claim that serrated edges don't do as well in self defense. But when it comes to Hawkbill blades my own jury is still out on that one. And I'll say it again>> any Hawkbill that hasn't been previously offered in Spyderedge should by all means be considered.

I agree for the most part. Serrated edges are great for self defense. The SE on the matriarch 2 is one of the most wicked edges I've seen. My only tiny gripe about SE is it's harder for me to sharpen to the same level I can sharpen a PE to. My PE Tasman Salt will smoothly shave hair.

[JD Spydo]

I know there are some here who claim that serrated edges don't do as well in self defense. But when it comes to Hawkbill blades my own jury is still out on that one. And I'll say it again>> any Hawkbill that hasn't been previously offered in Spyderedge should by all means be considered.

I agree for the most part. Serrated edges are great for self defense. The SE on the matriarch 2 is one of the most wicked edges I've seen. My only tiny gripe about SE is it's harder for me to sharpen to the same level I can sharpen a PE to. My PE Tasman Salt will smoothly shave hair.

The only thing I can say about that goes all the way back to when I was in Junior High School. I had a teacher I admired that always said "Nothing That's Worth While Is Easy". And that goes for serrated edges, mainly Spyderedges>> those edges are more difficult to sharpen and I won't deny it.

But you've come to the right place because nobody has better sharpening tools for sharpening serrated edges than Spyderco does . So please don't let that discourage or deter you from selecting a serrated edged Hawkbill>> because Spyderco makes the best of those as well.

Serrated Hawkbills go a lot farther than the self defense sector>> they make excellent companion blades to your main EDC. Not to mention the dozens of pull cutting jobs you can do with a serrated Hawkbill.

[JAfromMN]

I need a 3.5 hawkbill fully serrated.

Please

[Ryno]

I feel like I'm in the minority here, preferring plain edge. I have a plain edge tasman. I give it 5 swipes per side on the 40 degree medium stones on the sharpmaker after a day of use and it shaves and slices better than any knife I have. I may be wrong but i can't imagine SE would improve on that.

[Hannibal Lecter]

My Dear Friend,

I feel like I'm in the minority here, preferring plain edge. I have a plain edge Tasman. I give it 5 swipes per side on the 40 degree medium stones on the sharpmaker after a day of use and it shaves and slices better than any knife I have. I may be wrong but i can't imagine SE would improve on that.

I suppose that depends on what you mean by "improve".

I EDC a Spyderhawk PE in H-1 or a Tasman PE and love them. I also occasionally carry a Harpy SE in VG-10. The SE blade just works better for fibrous things like ropes and some types of fabrics than PE - I have done comparison cutting with them. It's a "different tools for different jobs" sort of thing. Think of it like this - you *could* use a hacksaw to cut a pine 2x4 in half but a crosscut saw would work much faster - the same rule applies here.

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Hannibal

[mb1]

Think of it like this - you *could* use a hacksaw to cut a pine 2x4 in half but a crosscut saw would work much faster - the same rule applies here.

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Hannibal

A short rabbit trail here...We were doing a little yard work one day, and my wife offered to prune one of our trees. I told her to grab the blue handled saw out of the garage. When I checked on her a while later she was about worn out, sweating, huffing and puffing. She had trimmed the whole tree with my hacksaw bless her heart! I forgot it had a blue handle too. (Thanks honey.)

[JD Spydo]

My Dear Friend,

I feel like I'm in the minority here, preferring plain edge. I have a plain edge Tasman. I give it 5 swipes per side on the 40 degree medium stones on the sharpmaker after a day of use and it shaves and slices better than any knife I have. I may be wrong but i can't imagine SE would improve on that.

I suppose that depends on what you mean by "improve".

I EDC a Spyderhawk PE in H-1 or a Tasman PE and love them. I also occasionally carry a Harpy SE in VG-10. The SE blade just works better for fibrous things like ropes and some types of fabrics than PE - I have done comparison cutting with them. It's a "different tools for different jobs" sort of thing. Think of it like this - you *could* use a hacksaw to cut a pine 2x4 in half but a crosscut saw would work much faster - the same rule applies here.

Doctor Lecter there's no question that there are valid needs for plain edged and Spyderedged Hawkbill blades both. I own several of both Edge Types ( PE & SE) as I know you do as well. I've even given some thought to the possibility of a combo edged Hawkbill but I think you would need a blade as big as the Spyderhawk to do it justice IMO. But for me personally I find that I use my Spyderedged Hawkbills at least on a 5 to 1 ratio to the PE Hawkbills if not slightly higher. But as far as the plain edged Hawkbills go when you need a PE Hawkbill nothing else will work as efficiently as them. They are great for what they are purposed for.

But most of my knife work is mostly rough and demanding which for me mandates the use of serrated/Spyderedged blades>> Spyderco's Spyderedged blades are mainly what drew me to Spyderco to begin with a little over 20 years ago ( 1995 to be exact). My main reason for launching this thread is that I truly believe it's time for Spyderco to step up to the customer's needs. And by that I mean they need more Hawkbill models with premium grade handles like G-10 or maybe even Micarta. Now Titanium wouldn't be a bad idea for salt water usage. Because to me a more solid/rigid handle just gives me more confidence in the tool I'm using.

I know that better quality Hawkbill folders are on their way but I would sure like to see something in the pipeline ASAP. I think they would be pleasantly surprised how fast they would sell.

[bh49]

I do not know about new hawkbill, but if Spyderco would make a sprint of Spyderhawk SE, I will buy one.

[JD Spydo]

I do not know about new hawkbill, but if Spyderco would make a sprint of Spyderhawk SE, I will buy one.

Yeah Roman I agree with you wholeheartedly>> but wouldn't you like to see them step up the great Spyderhawk model with a G-10 handle???

I'm just certain if they made a more premium version of the Spyderhawk and the Harpy it would totally change the perspective of wanting to own and use one. With Christmas in the horizon what about a gift set of a Harpy and Spyderhawk both with G-10 handles and some sort of tool steel blade?

Just look how the popularity of the C-36 Military has catapulted since they jazzed it up with new blade steels and other amenities. I have no doubt that the Spyderhawk especially would be much more desired.

[bh49]

I do not know about new hawkbill, but if Spyderco would make a sprint of Spyderhawk SE, I will buy one.

Yeah Roman I agree with you wholeheartedly>> but wouldn't you like to see them step up the great Spyderhawk model with a G-10 handle???

No.
This will bring price up and Spyderhawk wasn't inexpensive to begin with.

Just look how the popularity of the C-36 Military has catapulted since they jazzed it up with new blade steels and other amenities. I have no doubt that the Spyderhawk especially would be much more desired.

I am near sure that Spyderco sell many more Enduras than Militarys. Spyderhawk is very special tool, so IMHO interest to Spyderhawk not likely will be on the same level in numbers like to Military. In addition I am not aware about any steel, which will be better than H1 for SE. Do you?

[JD Spydo]

I do not know about new hawkbill, but if Spyderco would make a sprint of Spyderhawk SE, I will buy one.

Yeah Roman I agree with you wholeheartedly>> but wouldn't you like to see them step up the great Spyderhawk model with a G-10 handle???

No.
This will bring price up and Spyderhawk wasn't inexpensive to begin with.

Just look how the popularity of the C-36 Military has catapulted since they jazzed it up with new blade steels and other amenities. I have no doubt that the Spyderhawk especially would be much more desired.

I am near sure that Spyderco sell many more Enduras than Militarys. Spyderhawk is very special tool, so IMHO interest to Spyderhawk not likely will be on the same level in numbers like to Military. In addition I am not aware about any steel, which will be better than H1 for SE. Do you?

To take your last question first concerning the steel for a Hawkbill i.e. H-1? Personally I would like to see a Hawkbill with LC200N>> the two people I've chatted with recently that own and use the TUSK model which is made with LC200N have both told me very positive things about it. So yes I would love to see a Hawkbill with LC200N regardless of what handle material they would use.

As far as using G-10 handles which you believe would put them out of many people's price range>> I see where you're coming from but I just don't 100% agree with you there because as expensive as a lot of these newer Spyders are with their supersteels and exotic handle materials I just don't think it has hurt the sales of certain Spyderco knives that meet that criteria.

One sterling example is this recent Sprint Run CTS-204P bladed C-36 Military model. From what I've been told they are selling rather rapidly. In spite of their lofty price tag I've heard a lot of guys are making major sacrifices in order to get one>> I myself am trying to shift funds to where I can snag one. I just think with a better handle the Spyderco Hawkbills might start appealing to more gardeners, landscapers and other professionals. But hey I could be wrong>> and you could be right because Hawkbill blades are a lot more of a specialty item whereas the C-36 Military is about as conventional of a cutting tool as you can get. But time will tell and I would love to see what a high quality Hawkbill might do in the sales charts.

But I do sincerely appreciate your input and where you're coming from and when the dust settles you might be right.

[bh49]

To take your last question first concerning the steel for a Hawkbill i.e. H-1? Personally I would like to see a Hawkbill with LC200N>> the two people I've chatted with recently that own and use the TUSK model which is made with LC200N have both told me very positive things about it. So yes I would love to see a Hawkbill with LC200N regardless of what handle material they would use.

Joe,
LC200N is known for rust resistance. Why would you think that this steel will be better or equal to H1 or at least equal to VG10 for SE Hawkbill? Tusk has PE and regular shape blade.

As far as using G-10 handles which you believe would put them out of many people's price range>> I see where you're coming from but I just don't 100% agree with you there because as expensive as a lot of these newer Spyders are with their supersteels and exotic handle materials I just don't think it has hurt the sales of certain Spyderco knives that meet that criteria.
One sterling example is this recent Sprint Run CTS-204P bladed C-36 Military model. From what I've been told they are selling rather rapidly.

All depends what do you consider rapidly. This is limited run. It is for sale for at least a month and still available. Nobody except the dealer knows how many were sold. Also recent sale is not really a sign of rapid sale.

I just think with a better handle the Spyderco Hawkbills might start appealing to more gardeners, landscapers and other professionals.

You remember that Superhawk CF and very inexpensive VG10 was discontinued quite fast due to poor sale.
I still want Spyderhawk SE sprint. H1 /FRN, just make different color than original (to call it sprint) and if it will have street price under $100, 1200 blades will sold fast.

[VashHash]

Yeah H1 SE spyderhawk. Any color frn really. My first choice would be black or blue. I know blue was done in VG10 but maybe use a different shade. Something darker. They could even put the black coating on it if they wanted.

[bh49]

FRN color will not make a difference for me, but black blade looks like waste of coating for me.