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xceptnl · #81

FCM415 wrote:Who priced them over $110?

How did so many dealers end up getting them (more than just CC's)?

How did ALL of these dealers SELL OUT of them at their prices but BBS couldnt?

If I recall, I saw prices from NGK, Howes, and GP and they were all lower than the dealer that's supposed to have it as an exclusive.

Alright, a VG10 knife the size of a Delica for $99 is not overpriced. Fine. You are obviously OK with what they are doing so you will say as much. You dont mind the bundling too, and everything else BBS so there you go. Opposite sides of the fence.

Spyderco set an MSRP of $124.95
Country Knives sells at $125
the two below are linked through Amazon..

I don't know why so many other dealers sold out of their knives faster (likely because BBS has more than anyone else) perhaps it is their international policy (which sucks) or their high domestic shipping. I agree we can be on opposite sides of a fence, but we are all playing in the same pasture.

Do I wish this was separate? SURE.
Do I wish they had free shipping? SURE.
Do I wish my preferred online dealers had access to this exclusive as well? Bet your bottom dollar I do.

Henry - get both · #82

I really don't think they will sell. I am one of the people willing to pay up on ebay but I refuse to be managed into buying a knife that I don't want. Who is? Its hard to believe anyone would submit to that.

FCM415 · #83

That's weird how so many dealers got the Lil Matriarch. Even the obscure ones. Perhaps so many went unsold...

FCM415 · #84

Henry - get both wrote:I really don't think they will sell. I am one of the people willing to pay up on ebay but I refuse to be managed into buying a knife that I don't want. Who is? Its hard to believe anyone would submit to that.

That's like Honda requiring you to buy a Civic with a TL. Or going to Sears and the guy telling you that you HAVE to buy a microwave with a fridge. WTH.This is unprecedented

BUNDLES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BONUSES LIKE A FREE GAME WITH A GAME CONSOLE. NOT A REQUIREMENT TO BUY SOMETHING THEY ARE STUCK WITH.

xceptnl · #85

FCM415 wrote:That's like Honda requiring you to buy a Civic with a TL. Or going to Sears and the guy telling you that you HAVE to buy a microwave with a fridge. WTH.This is unprecedented

BUNDLES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BONUSES LIKE A FREE GAME WITH A GAME CONSOLE. NOT A REQUIREMENT TO BUY SOMETHING THEY ARE STUCK WITH.

You are right, it may be unprecedented. That is the scary part because it could establish precedence for other potential dealers in the future, but I doubt it.

FCM415 · #86

xceptnl wrote:You are right, it may be unprecedented. That is the scary part because it could establish precedence for other potential dealers in the future, but I doubt it.

Hmm... Nah, I doubt any of the other popular dealers have the creative specialness of BBS.

Henry - get both · #87

FCM415 wrote:That's like Honda requiring you to buy a Civic with a TL. Or going to Sears and the guy telling you that you HAVE to buy a microwave with a fridge. WTH.This is unprecedented

BUNDLES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BONUSES LIKE A FREE GAME WITH A GAME CONSOLE. NOT A REQUIREMENT TO BUY SOMETHING THEY ARE STUCK WITH.

Yea its pretty funny that they're using the word "bundle". I would like to read the Spyderco dealer contract because Im pretty sure this "bundle" is at least against the spirit of it.

Henry - get both · #88

I can understand BBS not being able to compete with the lower margin dealers. What I don't understand is why they would commission a matriarch and think they would sell at full msrp.

JNewell · #89

First CC knife has arrived on eBay. It will be interesting to see where it finishes.

RadioactiveSpyder · #90

JNewell wrote:First CC knife has arrived on eBay. It will be interesting to see where it finishes.

Yup, I started the bidding on it at $150 (not sure where that $75 bid came from...). I was outbid within the hour! I just upped it to $200, so we'll see how long that lasts... I know it will go for much more than that (to some sap willing to pay big bucks), and I've already dropped a note to my favorite dealer to put me on their list for it (at a sane price).

Patience all, there will be plenty of these out there, just how many at sub-BBS prices remains to be seen.

FCM415 · #91

It's the first auction and during the early pre-release stage so expect it to go for a higher price. It shouldnt tell us how much the market values it necessarily... It's always like that early on with all releases.

Cujobob · #92

If this was for a great steel, I'd be all for it at that price but Elmax run how Spyderco does is likely comparable to S30V. That's fine, but not worth $200 over the standard IMHO. I hope BBS gets dropped as a dealer or that they at least get no more exclusive runs. Charging over MSRP is crazy.

JNewell · #93

It would be truly insane, but also entirely believable, for someone to bid more than $300 for this. I'm regularly amazed by how often people pay over retail for things on eBay.

RadioactiveSpyder wrote:Yup, I started the bidding on it at $150 (not sure where that $75 bid came from...). I was outbid within the hour! I just upped it to $200, so we'll see how long that lasts... I know it will go for much more than that (to some sap willing to pay big bucks), and I've already dropped a note to my favorite dealer to put me on their list for it (at a sane price).

Patience all, there will be plenty of these out there, just how many at sub-BBS prices remains to be seen.

FCM415 wrote:It's the first auction and during the early pre-release stage so expect it to go for a higher price. It shouldnt tell us how much the market values it necessarily... It's always like that early on with all releases.

Soulrack · #94

I paid the brutal price. I think Spyderco should make a policy on these exclusives that bars the bundling of exclusive offerings to dead stock. :mad: I'd be tickled if I had just paid $212.80 for the knife I want instead of $312.75 for it and $99.95 of overpriced inventory reduction but what is done is done. I hope Spyderco can do something to prevent this practice in the future though.

captnvegtble · #95

Soulrack wrote:I paid the brutal price. I think Spyderco should make a policy on these exclusives that bars the bundling of exclusive offerings to dead stock. :mad: I'd be tickled if I had just paid $212.80 for the knife I want instead of $312.75 for it and $99.95 of overpriced inventory reduction but what is done is done. I hope Spyderco can do something to prevent this practice in the future though.

I'm not sure why Spyderco should take any active management in how other buisnesses sell their knives (as long as they're not selling fakes). I agree that the bundling is a shady practice, but this is an independent buisness. BBS pays Spyderco to manufacture the run, and in turn BBS is feel free to sell their knives (which they purchased) however they want. This is not going to be a popular opinion, but there seems to be a lot of entitlement among some Spyderco fans... we think we're entitled to buy any knife spyderco produces at a specified "reasonable" price, but that just isn't the case. A buisness is free to sell a knife at whatever cost they want, and we're free not to buy it. We may not like it, but that is capitalism and buisness.

RadioactiveSpyder · #96

There should be a sub forum created just for this... It's pervading all threads.

FCM415 · #97

captnvegtble wrote:I'm not sure why Spyderco should take any active management in how other buisnesses sell their knives (as long as they're not selling fakes). I agree that the bundling is a shady practice, but this is an independent buisness. BBS pays Spyderco to manufacture the run, and in turn BBS is feel free to sell their knives (which they purchased) however they want. This is not going to be a popular opinion, but there seems to be a lot of entitlement among some Spyderco fans... we think we're entitled to buy any knife spyderco produces at a specified "reasonable" price, but that just isn't the case. A buisness is free to sell a knife at whatever cost they want, and we're free not to buy it. We may not like it, but that is capitalism and buisness.

Non of that was ever questioned or in contention. And as far as entitlement... Anything can be perceived as having a "sense of entitlement" depending on what points of view and position you're in. Slavemasters felt entitled to having slaves and slaves felt entitled to having rights.

I bet in your life there are countless things you take for granted but someone else can call an entitlement.

There are numerous reasons and examples as to why people are upset with BBS its not as simple as just conceding it to good ol capitalism.

Cujobob · #98

A business that represents Spyderco poorly is bad for Spyderco. Many people have huge collections of their knives, if dealers start taking advantage of this, those collectors may switch brands (and get others to, as well). Controlling your image is part of running a successful company. Spyderco is about integrity and there's no integrity behind someone forcing customers to buy knives that aren't selling just because they want a limited knife. If they sold the knife at full msrp and charged for shipping, customers wouldn't complain like this even though that's still far more than other retailers.

Henry - get both · #99

captnvegtble wrote:I'm not sure why Spyderco should take any active management in how other buisnesses sell their knives (as long as they're not selling fakes). I agree that the bundling is a shady practice, but this is an independent buisness. BBS pays Spyderco to manufacture the run, and in turn BBS is feel free to sell their knives (which they purchased) however they want. This is not going to be a popular opinion, but there seems to be a lot of entitlement among some Spyderco fans... we think we're entitled to buy any knife spyderco produces at a specified "reasonable" price, but that just isn't the case. A buisness is free to sell a knife at whatever cost they want, and we're free not to buy it. We may not like it, but that is capitalism and buisness.

Spyderco can choose to drop BBS as a dealer.... because capitalism.

captnvegtble · #100

Cujobob wrote:A business that represents Spyderco poorly is bad for Spyderco. Many people have huge collections of their knives, if dealers start taking advantage of this, those collectors may switch brands (and get others to, as well). Controlling your image is part of running a successful company. Spyderco is about integrity and there's no integrity behind someone forcing customers to buy knives that aren't selling just because they want a limited knife. If they sold the knife at full msrp and charged for shipping, customers wouldn't complain like this even though that's still far more than other retailers.

I guess I would argue that nobody is forcing anybody to buy any knife... you either buy into their shady, bad public relation scheme, or not. Nor do I think that the poor buisness practices of BBS reflect on Spyderco... like I said, they're an independent buisness that has shelled out their money to buy the sprint run.