Shaman SPY27 nearly protruding tip

[Skylark427]

@WilliamMunny

Here is a closeup of my 15V Shaman tip. No idea if your XHP is within spec, but mine is 0.021" BTE. Factory edge still.

Yours looks much more, as well as the SPY27 models shown.

[Guts]

@Guts
Here's mine. Harder to see with the CME in place, but you get the idea. I has to really zoom in to capture the spacing.

I do not have another Shaman model to compare it to.
Edit: Detent and lockface is facing down when the image is clicked for full size

Your picture is perfectly fine no worries. Yeah looks like the detent probably engages just fine on that one and it doesn't have the tip issue correct? I suppose it was actually @AlDriven 's and @WilliamMunny 's that had the tip issue, so my mistake. I'm curious about the detent lockup on those, but sounds like driven's already sent it back in for evaluation. How's yours look William?

[WilliamMunny]

@Guts
Here's mine. Harder to see with the CME in place, but you get the idea. I has to really zoom in to capture the spacing.

I do not have another Shaman model to compare it to.
Edit: Detent and lockface is facing down when the image is clicked for full size

Your picture is perfectly fine no worries. Yeah looks like the detent probably engages just fine on that one and it doesn't have the tip issue correct? I suppose it was actually @AlDriven 's and @WilliamMunny 's that had the tip issue, so my mistake. I'm curious about the detent lockup on those, but sounds like driven's already sent it back in for evaluation. How's yours look William?

I will take pictures tonight when I get home.

[TazKristi]

@TazKristi Is there any guidance on this issue? As with a few others I feel my XHP tip might be high but I also don't want to send it in if it's within spec and "normal" for this knife. My first Shaman so not much to compare it to side by side. I might not have noticed it except for this thread or after a few sharpenings.

Thanks!

The best suggestion I can give is to send your knife in for evaluation with Warranty & Repair. They can evaluate each knife on a case-by-case basis and determine if it's within spec. Unfortunately, that can be challenging to do online through images. If you send it in, please be sure to include the form found on the following page.

https://www.spyderco.com/service-suppor ... ty-repair/

Kristi

[Skylark427]

@Guts
Here's mine. Harder to see with the CME in place, but you get the idea. I has to really zoom in to capture the spacing.

I do not have another Shaman model to compare it to.
Edit: Detent and lockface is facing down when the image is clicked for full size

Your picture is perfectly fine no worries. Yeah looks like the detent probably engages just fine on that one and it doesn't have the tip issue correct? I suppose it was actually @AlDriven 's and @WilliamMunny 's that had the tip issue, so my mistake. I'm curious about the detent lockup on those, but sounds like driven's already sent it back in for evaluation. How's yours look William?

Yeah mine is one without the tip issue or the tilt in the blade. For reference, mine is obviously the brown one in the pictures and the one with titanium scales in later pictures.

[Skylark427]

Forgot to include his that shows the tilt compared to mine. It's really noticeable around the front of the scales. You mentioned a smaller stop pin, wouldn't a bigger one cause it to have this issue(as it's tilted upwards)?
Along with a possible detent problem as well?
@Guts
Mine also appeared to have a smaller detent hole on disassembly. This is going by memory though, and it's not clear if the user on page 2 modified their detent hole or not so maybe not the best comparison.
Edit: My BTE thickness is 0.021" as well I'm curious what @WilliamMunny is yours on your XHP model?

[WilliamMunny]

@Guts
Here's mine. Harder to see with the CME in place, but you get the idea. I has to really zoom in to capture the spacing.

I do not have another Shaman model to compare it to.
Edit: Detent and lockface is facing down when the image is clicked for full size

Your picture is perfectly fine no worries. Yeah looks like the detent probably engages just fine on that one and it doesn't have the tip issue correct? I suppose it was actually @AlDriven 's and @WilliamMunny 's that had the tip issue, so my mistake. I'm curious about the detent lockup on those, but sounds like driven's already sent it back in for evaluation. How's yours look William?

Here is a top down view.

[Guts]

@Guts
Here's mine. Harder to see with the CME in place, but you get the idea. I has to really zoom in to capture the spacing.

I do not have another Shaman model to compare it to.
Edit: Detent and lockface is facing down when the image is clicked for full size

Your picture is perfectly fine no worries. Yeah looks like the detent probably engages just fine on that one and it doesn't have the tip issue correct? I suppose it was actually @AlDriven 's and @WilliamMunny 's that had the tip issue, so my mistake. I'm curious about the detent lockup on those, but sounds like driven's already sent it back in for evaluation. How's yours look William?

Here is a top down view.

IMG_6856.jpeg

Welp, definitely looks like a fully engaged detent from your photo, yet it still has the tip issue huh. In that case I'm not sure what else can be done to fix it other than grinding down the tip as a last resort unfortunately, that is if Spyderco doesn't end up replacing it for you anyway.

[WilliamMunny]

@Guts
Here's mine. Harder to see with the CME in place, but you get the idea. I has to really zoom in to capture the spacing.

I do not have another Shaman model to compare it to.
Edit: Detent and lockface is facing down when the image is clicked for full size

Your picture is perfectly fine no worries. Yeah looks like the detent probably engages just fine on that one and it doesn't have the tip issue correct? I suppose it was actually @AlDriven 's and @WilliamMunny 's that had the tip issue, so my mistake. I'm curious about the detent lockup on those, but sounds like driven's already sent it back in for evaluation. How's yours look William?

Here is a top down view.

IMG_6856.jpeg

Welp, definitely looks like a fully engaged detent from your photo, yet it still has the tip issue huh. In that case I'm not sure what else can be done to fix it other than grinding down the tip as a last resort unfortunately, that is if Spyderco doesn't end up replacing it for you anyway.

My only fear about sending it in is if it’s “unfixable” and they want to replace it with a standard s30v. Or worse they find nothing wrong and I wasted money shipping it back and forth. A SPY-27 replacement would not be bad though but I am sure I am getting ahead of myself.

[Skylark427]

Your picture is perfectly fine no worries. Yeah looks like the detent probably engages just fine on that one and it doesn't have the tip issue correct? I suppose it was actually @AlDriven 's and @WilliamMunny 's that had the tip issue, so my mistake. I'm curious about the detent lockup on those, but sounds like driven's already sent it back in for evaluation. How's yours look William?

Here is a top down view.

IMG_6856.jpeg

Welp, definitely looks like a fully engaged detent from your photo, yet it still has the tip issue huh. In that case I'm not sure what else can be done to fix it other than grinding down the tip as a last resort unfortunately, that is if Spyderco doesn't end up replacing it for you anyway.

My only fear about sending it in is if it’s “unfixable” and they want to replace it with a standard s30v. Or worse they find nothing wrong and I wasted money shipping it back and forth. A SPY-27 replacement would not be bad though but I am sure I am getting ahead of myself.

I think it's only like $15~ for a small flat rate box from USPS (I'm not sure where you're located, but I've swnt a few knives recently to another company). Could you post a picture of the knife with the blade closed, from a bit further away like I posted mine? It'd be a bit easier to see if yours also has the tilt I've been describing.
@WilliamMunny

[WilliamMunny]

Here is a top down view.

IMG_6856.jpeg

Welp, definitely looks like a fully engaged detent from your photo, yet it still has the tip issue huh. In that case I'm not sure what else can be done to fix it other than grinding down the tip as a last resort unfortunately, that is if Spyderco doesn't end up replacing it for you anyway.

My only fear about sending it in is if it’s “unfixable” and they want to replace it with a standard s30v. Or worse they find nothing wrong and I wasted money shipping it back and forth. A SPY-27 replacement would not be bad though but I am sure I am getting ahead of myself.

I think it's only like $15~ for a small flat rate box from USPS (I'm not sure where you're located, but I've swnt a few knives recently to another company). Could you post a picture of the knife with the blade closed, from a bit further away like I posted mine? It'd be a bit easier to see if yours also has the tilt I've been describing.
@WilliamMunny

Here are a few more pictures. I drew a black line that is approximately where the tip falls below the scales +/- 1/16”. The tip is within the scales, no issues, but a couple of sharpening sessions it seem like it could be an issue.

[Skylark427]

Welp, definitely looks like a fully engaged detent from your photo, yet it still has the tip issue huh. In that case I'm not sure what else can be done to fix it other than grinding down the tip as a last resort unfortunately, that is if Spyderco doesn't end up replacing it for you anyway.

My only fear about sending it in is if it’s “unfixable” and they want to replace it with a standard s30v. Or worse they find nothing wrong and I wasted money shipping it back and forth. A SPY-27 replacement would not be bad though but I am sure I am getting ahead of myself.

I think it's only like $15~ for a small flat rate box from USPS (I'm not sure where you're located, but I've swnt a few knives recently to another company). Could you post a picture of the knife with the blade closed, from a bit further away like I posted mine? It'd be a bit easier to see if yours also has the tilt I've been describing.
@WilliamMunny

Here are a few more pictures. I drew a black line that is approximately where the tip falls below the scales +/- 1/16”. The tip is within the scales, no issues, but a couple of sharpening sessions it seem like it could be an issue.

IMG_6857.jpeg
IMG_6859.jpeg
IMG_6860.jpeg

Personally, comparing it with mine and the S30V models, while it isn't as severe as the SPY27 models shown, I would say it has the same issue.

The overall blade is tilted upwards just like the SPY27 model, comparing where my tip lands in the factory scales, or rather if you look how much more of the spine is exposed, it looks to be 3/16" further from the bottom of the scale or more that the spine becomes visible while closed.

Personally I think it should be looked at. AIDriven ended up walking into a store and asking if any S30V Shamans were available, there were not but the guy had one on him, and showed it to him. It had the tip burried in the liner like mine. At least from what he's told me since he sent his off.

A few more sharpening sessions, and like you say, might become an issue.

[AlDriven]

Can confirm this. Went to bass pro and by chance the dude working there had an S30V model he picked up a “couple months ago”. I checked it thoroughly and explained my issue to him just chatting, and sure enough, his was buried in the scales compared to mine.

[WilliamMunny]

My only fear about sending it in is if it’s “unfixable” and they want to replace it with a standard s30v. Or worse they find nothing wrong and I wasted money shipping it back and forth. A SPY-27 replacement would not be bad though but I am sure I am getting ahead of myself.

I think it's only like $15~ for a small flat rate box from USPS (I'm not sure where you're located, but I've swnt a few knives recently to another company). Could you post a picture of the knife with the blade closed, from a bit further away like I posted mine? It'd be a bit easier to see if yours also has the tilt I've been describing.
@WilliamMunny

Here are a few more pictures. I drew a black line that is approximately where the tip falls below the scales +/- 1/16”. The tip is within the scales, no issues, but a couple of sharpening sessions it seem like it could be an issue.

IMG_6857.jpeg
IMG_6859.jpeg
IMG_6860.jpeg

Personally, comparing it with mine and the S30V models, while it isn't as severe as the SPY27 models shown, I would say it has the same issue.

The overall blade is tilted upwards just like the SPY27 model, comparing where my tip lands in the factory scales, or rather if you look how much more of the spine is exposed, it looks to be 3/16" further from the bottom of the scale or more that the spine becomes visible while closed.

Personally I think it should be looked at. AIDriven ended up walking into a store and asking if any S30V Shamans were available, there were not but the guy had one on him, and showed it to him. It had the tip burried in the liner like mine. At least from what he's told me since he sent his off.

A few more sharpening sessions, and like you say, might become an issue.

Called Spyderco and the two options are, if they do find the issue:

1. They will grind the back down to drop the point deeper into the handle.

2. Give me a credit to use towards another knife in store. Only a S30V in stock right now.

Not crazy about either option so I may just sell it and put the money towards another Spyderco. Tip is not “bad” now but knowing I need to be mindful when sharpening will bug me.

[Skylark427]

I think it's only like $15~ for a small flat rate box from USPS (I'm not sure where you're located, but I've swnt a few knives recently to another company). Could you post a picture of the knife with the blade closed, from a bit further away like I posted mine? It'd be a bit easier to see if yours also has the tilt I've been describing.
@WilliamMunny

Here are a few more pictures. I drew a black line that is approximately where the tip falls below the scales +/- 1/16”. The tip is within the scales, no issues, but a couple of sharpening sessions it seem like it could be an issue.

IMG_6857.jpeg
IMG_6859.jpeg
IMG_6860.jpeg

Personally, comparing it with mine and the S30V models, while it isn't as severe as the SPY27 models shown, I would say it has the same issue.

The overall blade is tilted upwards just like the SPY27 model, comparing where my tip lands in the factory scales, or rather if you look how much more of the spine is exposed, it looks to be 3/16" further from the bottom of the scale or more that the spine becomes visible while closed.

Personally I think it should be looked at. AIDriven ended up walking into a store and asking if any S30V Shamans were available, there were not but the guy had one on him, and showed it to him. It had the tip burried in the liner like mine. At least from what he's told me since he sent his off.

A few more sharpening sessions, and like you say, might become an issue.

Called Spyderco and the two options are, if they do find the issue:

1. They will grind the back down to drop the point deeper into the handle.

2. Give me a credit to use towards another knife in store. Only a S30V in stock right now.

Not crazy about either option so I may just sell it and put the money towards another Spyderco. Tip is not “bad” now but knowing I need to be mindful when sharpening will bug me.

Yeah... I personally wouldn't like either of those options myself (in your position, S30V is my favorite of the "S30-45" series of steels, which I also include SPY27 as part of because it's based on them and performs relatively similar). I personally wouldn't really want them to grind the spine down after heat treatment is done. Idk what their procedure is, but it could ruin the temper on that area of the spine unless their using a water/coolant method (I hope they would be). Besides that, it takes away from the general blade shape depending on how far they need to go.

I'd say your third option is probably the best choice, all things considered. Unless they come up with a model you do indeed want.

That's unfortunate. At least they're willing to try to help to some extent though. Not every knife company would.

Sorry for the delay, works been a bit crazy.

Edit: Yeah, being mindful when sharpening would bother me as well, especially if I wanted to go more acute on the angle to help with the BTE thickness on your specific model, as I don't think it's 0.021" like my 15V Shaman.

[sal]

I'm surprised that this has gone 4 pages? The second post in the thread was from me asking the customer to return the piece to us. We made a batch that had the blade tips be higher than is ideal. We were informed about it from a customer. So we pulled all of the knives off of he shelves , went though them and repaired them. Some did go out, early on, but we've only received 2 back from customers, and we sorted them.

If anyone has a Shaman, or any other Spyderco model, for which they have a concern, they should end it back to us. To send it back to a dealer or sell it does not sort the issue. If we get the piece, we can repair or replace the problem piece, always in the best interest of the customer.

We have since sold thousands of Shamans with no complaints.

sal

[Mrj]

Thanks Sal. We appreciate the awesome customer service and support. I bought one early on and it was perfect. Had to be only a few.

[WilliamMunny]

I'm surprised that this has gone 4 pages? The second post in the thread was from me asking the customer to return the piece to us. We made a batch that had the blade tips be higher than is ideal. We were informed about it from a customer. So we pulled all of the knives off of he shelves , went though them and repaired them. Some did go out, early on, but we've only received 2 back from customers, and we sorted them.

If anyone has a Shaman, or any other Spyderco model, for which they have a concern, they should end it back to us. To send it back to a dealer or sell it does not sort the issue. If we get the piece, we can repair or replace the problem piece, always in the best interest of the customer.

We have since sold thousands of Shamans with no complaints.

sal

No problem I will send it in, just was hard to tell without another Shaman to compare it to if the tip is sitting high.

My posts were just to get second opinions from others who own them so I did not waste anyone’s time if it was all just in my head.

Thank you as always for the support.

[Mrj]

I checked all of mine. The Spy 27 is the highest but not protruding. If you rub your finger over it, does it get your finger?

[WilliamMunny]

I checked all of mine. The Spy 27 is the highest but not protruding. If you rub your finger over it, does it get your finger?

If I push my finger into it a bit I can feel the point. The point is within the scales but close enough to the top that I feel a few sharpening sessions would bring it even higher and even to the scales, especially if I take a lot of steel off reprofiling the edge.

I don’t think it’s as bad as some of the SPY-27 but I think it sits higher than it should. I could be totally wrong on that though.

Otherwise the knife is great no complaints at all.