Keep me outta trouble NYC EDC options?

Michael Bolton · #61

MAT888 wrote:I think this sounds legal wize the way to go in your specific situation.

Hey Deacon and Anthonyc, good points. In your opinion, legally-wise, would you do the Yojimbo folder or go the FB route, Ronin or Street Beat? I'm thinking of getting a Yojimbo, but if they're considered 'illegal' in the city I'm just gonna go the sheathed FB route. I'm not so concerned about getting stopped by the police or having the sheathed piece fall into view..i can always transfer it into a jacket pocket, IWB, or my bag..plus I look like a nerd not a thug.

Is it possible to flick a Yojimbo open? Prior to doing any research I actually carried a Perrin Tri Fold (which is actually not so good a knife you actually cant really utilize it for anything reasonable unless you like jabbing things straight on). When I showed it to a friend (an attorney) he was shocked and checked it out and we decided that it was probably not a legal carry in the city. duh.

anthonyc · #62

Michael Bolton wrote:Hey Deacon and Anthonyc, good points. In your opinion, legally-wise, would you do the Yojimbo folder or go the FB route, Ronin or Street Beat?

i dont have any fixed blades or a yojimbo, but i would chose the yojimbo over a fixed blade. the yojimbo can be passed off as a utility knife or something. but when clipped to your pocket, it sticks out like a sore thumb from what ive been told.
with the fixed blade, i would be worried that the under the shirt handle may be mistaken for a gun.

Michael Bolton · #63

Really? I have found that the handle on the Street Beat, or the entire piece remains completely hidden. As long as the blade is under four inches, I don't believe that you will have to do any kind of explaining or justifying as to how the piece is a 'utility' knife as the knife statuate clearly states that under 4 inches is a-ok. You just have to keep it out of site.

MAT888 · #64

Michael.

When pressin the compression lock ( that's why it is called like that) you can flick it open very quickly. I can't recall for sure but i think it was Hannibal who sadly doesn't frequent us no more had an issue with an over much deployed Yoji . Flicking knives open to much is damaging the back blade tang and lock pin.... If the surfaces gets dented they won't function any more as intended. Colliedin'cars won't last long i guess LOL.

I don't know the current police by law/ legislation knive carry in the Apple/ US as i am europian . Seems the tendencies are slippin in the same direction

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I would suggest no clippin in busy urban environment.
Clb subcom varieties for uncertain area

But he i can carry a small fixed IWB in the small of back without anyone noticing...

dedguy · #65

Fixed blades always freak me out to carry as they seem like the sort of thing that's always going to get you in trouble. I'm not sure why I think this though. Like I would think having a HAK found on you would be far worse than say.. a Delica. Again, not sure why I think that.

I also don't get why "brandishing" is worse than having it concealed. I would think having it concealed would be worse. I don't think any rational person is going to run screaming into the night if they see someone with a pocket clip on their pocket. I'd go so far as to say only those in the know would even know it was a knife. So I would think a cop would prefer to see a blade on someone when attempting to approach them (if that person is acting out of hand) than to be unaware of a hidden blade.

Knife laws are so **** frustrating as they are very vague to the point of no meaning at all. FL knife laws basically say that carrying a "weapon" is illegal but to carry a knife is legal. It doesn't really say (outside of balisongs, or switchblades) what a bladed weapon is.

Michael Bolton · #66

Check out the story of the NYC transit worker who was attacked on his way home. He was beat down robbed, and when one of the thugs pulled a knife the transit worker pulled a 3 inch fb from a sheath, which he carried for self defense. he actually ended up killing two of them. he wasnt charged with a crime, obviously.

carrot · #67

In my experience with carrying fixed blades, small 4" or less blades carry extremely inconspicuously at the 3 or 1 o'clock position. For concealed carry I wouldn't recommend wearing the knife behind your hip as it can very easily reveal itself from your shirt riding up. Long shirts or jackets are a must.

The Deacon · #68

Like I said before Michael, some folks live for the rush. You seem bound and determined to live by your own rules. Wish you the best, just do keep in mind that "wardrobe malfunction" is not likely to be a successful defense if the Perrin picks the wrong moment to play peek-a-boo.

As for "what I'd do". If I were going to NYC tomorrow, unless I was headed somewhere with metal detectors, I'd carry what I normally carry, the way I always carry them. Stretch in my left rear pocket, Kiwi in my watch pocket, keyring with Jester safely tucked away in my shoulder bag. And, for the record, while no New York DA or judge outside of NYC would consider any of them a gravity knife they can all be "spydie dropped" open.

Michael Bolton · #69

The Deacon wrote:You seem bound and determined to live by your own rules. Wish you the best, just do keep in mind that "wardrobe malfunction" is not likely to be a successful defense if the Perrin picks the wrong moment to play peek-a-boo.

It's not a 'live by by own rules' thing, it's just knowing what is and isn't ok, legal-wise and what I have the right (in the view of the ol law) to carry and not expect to be thrown into prison. I'm sure as heck not looking for a rush, just want to know what's in my rights. That and I really love Spydies. I'm sure as heck not going to carry a switchblade or a balisong, or a gun for that matter. S[ydies are like a pieces of jewelry.

jag-engr · #70

The Deacon wrote:Like I said before Michael, some folks live for the rush. You seem bound and determined to live by your own rules. Wish you the best, just do keep in mind that "wardrobe malfunction" is not likely to be a successful defense if the Perrin picks the wrong moment to play peek-a-boo.

Sometimes the Deacon seems awefully opinionated (no offense intended, Deacon), but I have to agree with this statement.

It seems like half the posters on this thread are bound and determined that they are going to find a way to carry the knife with the clip - that is specifically what the law/ordinance/policy prohibits!

If I were going to NYC tomorrow (I've been once - just before 9/11), I'd carry an SAK or Opinel. If I were sure I wasn't going into any of the buildings that do not allow any knives, I would carry a UKPK or Lava with the clip removed.

Should you theoretically ba able to carry a Military in NYC? Yes.
Is a Military likely to attract more attention than a UKPK? Definitely.

cdf · #71

IWB , or in the pocket with the pivot tightened , ya should be OK . We have had this flicking bussines off an on in Canada . I never display a clip in public in a large city , except somewhere like a construction site . Something like a Delica would be good , specially in a funky color . The Urban if an when would be good , Ya cant Spyder drop either it or the UKPK .

Chris

Michael Cook · #72

:spyder: Legal anywhere!http://www.real-self-defense.com/umbrella.html :spyder:

bladese97 · #73

:spyder: :spyder: :cool: :spyder: :spyder: I have to sugjest going with my Favorite little Spyder....The Poliwog :cool: It is small, versitle, and at only 3&3/8'' closed, it houses a handy choil in the Blade, allowing for a perfect grip, no matter the hand size :eek: And, it carries very discretely :spyder:

Michael Cook · #74

:spyder: I too like the polywog, very secure in the hand. :spyder:

Michael Bolton · #75

so i am doing a little bit of reading online and do compression locks allow blades to simply fall out of the handle by pressing the lock? if that is the base would that make any compression lock folder illegal in nyc? this is sooooo unclear to me!

Michael Cook · #76

:spyder: It's illegal if it can be flipped open with kinetic force alone, if I understand correctly. Bummer as that's 98% of all folders to someone with any skill. :spyder:

Michael Bolton · #77

oh lord, so every single compression lock spydie is illegal in NYC???? this is unbelieveably horrible news and totally f'd up...so a compression lock folder is illegal, but a sheather fixed blade is legal as long as it's under 4 inches? so a yojimbo is illegal, but the fixed blade ronin is legal?

Michael Bolton · #78

anthonyc wrote:in manhattan (where i work) i always keep my spydies deep in my pockets. Even my caly 3s
but once im in brooklyn or any other the other boroughs, it gets clipped to my pants pocket, mainly because im not on foot as much perhaps.

Anthonyc or anyone else in NYC..I'm kinda confused now...you can pretty much open any spydie by "flicking" it by the blade right? I have read that linerlocks allow for spydie drops...how about compression locks? I recently acquired a Yojimbo for my SD EDC carry but would that be considered illegal? It's alike a glorified box cuter...I'm an artist and am constantly cutting stuff and that's what it would primarily used for..so perhaps it's ok? confusing!!

anthonyc · #79

Michael Bolton wrote:Anthonyc or anyone else in NYC..I'm kinda confused now...you can pretty much open any spydie by "flicking" it by the blade right? I have read that linerlocks allow for spydie drops...how about compression locks? I recently acquired a Yojimbo for my SD EDC carry but would that be considered illegal? It's alike a glorified box cuter...I'm an artist and am constantly cutting stuff and that's what it would primarily used for..so perhaps it's ok? confusing!!

its a tough call in nyc. my brother in law is a nypd sargent, so i bounce stuff off of him all the time. keep whatever it is in your pockets. nothing visible. if a cop is looking for a collar, youre getting arrested no matter what knife you have.

if for some some reason you do get stopped and searched, and they ask you about your knife, never ever say its for self defense reasons. you will get arrested on the spot. which is why i like the yoji, if asked, it is your work knife.

Michael Bolton · #80

anthonyc wrote:its a tough call in nyc. my brother in law is a nypd sargent, so i bounce stuff off of him all the time. keep whatever it is in your pockets. nothing visible. if a cop is looking for a collar, youre getting arrested no matter what knife you have.

if for some some reason you do get stopped and searched, and they ask you about your knife, never ever say its for self defense reasons. you will get arrested on the spot. which is why i like the yoji, if asked, it is your work knife.

Ah yes, thanks so much for the tip. I would never say anything is for self defense, i guess it also helps that the blue Yoji looks like a work tool to boot. I look like a nyc nerd as opposed to a thug so I am not so worried about being stopped and habing my pockets being searched. my other question would be then, if the Yoji is questionable in terms of legality...in a (god forbid this were to never be the case) self defense situation if the Yoji were to be used..would that be pretty much a go-to-jail kind of situation?