Spyderco Best Self defense Model ?

[Havatoo]

I would think the best model would be the one you have on you at the time.
Having said that, I like models with a finger hole (for the index, not little finger).

[para-force]

i tried to make a down to earth approach to this matter, because i'm afraid many of you guys underestimate the seriousness and real-life thinking that goes into "knife fighting".

I don't think any of us "underestimate the seriousness." Most of us here will never be involved in any sort of skirmish involving a knife. However, many of the MBC oriented people here train to be prepared for some kind of violent encounter. Perhaps you dismiss preparation as "underestimation" because you think that those who train believe that a knife fight will be organized the same way as a knife defense class is. Self defense classes come in three categories: the good, the bad, and the ugly. The bad and the ugly will only focus upon specific moves that will only be realistically implementable in class, not on the street. Perhaps you equate all MBC training with these categories, but that would be a horrible assumption. There are plenty of MBC and self defense classes that are taught properly. Using simple principles that are not fancy-shmancy, and take into account our natural instincts and the "adrenaline factor" as I call it. Don't equate training with being a "mall-ninja," if trained properly, it's quite the opposite.

i'm not going to defend myself anymore nor will i respond to any other flamings whatsoever.

I don't see many of us flaming, you just don't want to reply to rational disagreement. FYI, I believe you were the individual who called every member of this forum a "mall ninja." People in glass houses...

suffice it to say, i tried to add some common sense to this knifing thread, but it seems my opinion is considered more of a troll-post than serious advice. i'm done with this thread guys

I (at least somewhat) understand what you were getting at. However, the method that you manifested your beliefs in was crude and crass, and didn't rub off particularly friendly on any of us.

so go ahead, resume your weekly knife-fighting seminars, keep carrying a selfdefense-dedicated spanking new Chinook in your pocket, keep fooling yourself that you can block, parry, pass and trap and maintain your cool in a real high-stress street-assault. keep fantasizing that knifing-training will be benificial for you, whatever

And you keep fantasizing that everyone who practices MBC or self defense fits that niche. Many of us would use our normal EDC or a knife we're familiar with for self defense should the situation arrive. I know of very few people who have a dedicated SD knife, especially one that they don't train with. Many of us understand violent encounters aren't planned out and that "seminars" can only take a person so far, even the good ones. However, knife training is beneficial, so long as it not misleading. It'd be naive to say that everyone who practices self defense/MBC has an advantage over everyone who doesn't]most of all, after your heroic knife battle which you miraculously survived completely unscathed[/quote]

No one here expects to get into a violent encounter with a knife and walk out unscathed. We understand that violent encounters with knives are not pretty. There's not a loser and winner, just a surviver. We want to be the surviver, it's that simple.

have fun explaining your fascination for the knife-fighting sport and your not-a-single-scatch-on-it-with-factory-edge knife with type o-positive all over it to the police, the jury and the judge, and enjoy your stay in the big house.

Again, as I said before, many of us would use our EDC as a self defense tool should the situation arise. By the way, I think most of us here rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 anyways.

silly mallninja's......... :rolleyes:

Yup, no better way of grabbing our respect than by calling us all mall ninjas... grow up.

[zenheretic]

i'm not going to defend myself anymore nor will i respond to any other flamings whatsoever.

suffice it to say, i tried to add some common sense to this knifing thread, but it seems my opinion is considered more of a troll-post than serious advice.

i'm done with this thread guys

silly mallninja's......... :rolleyes:

Famous troll's last words...

[Halfneck]

denn-wit, you are the one that started the flaming with the mall ninja comments and the bad advice that you don't need training for self-defense with a knife. Then when you get called on your personal opinion, some by people with more experience in these matters, you cut an run.

You assume that by knife training it involves trapping an passing etc. What about accessing your folder in a high stress situation and opening it? I believe you are the one with the "Mall Ninja" issues. What is your background to be giving advice? LEO, Military, Martial Arts, Training, stayed at a Holliday Inn?

[Michael Janich]

I worked with a very wise SF medic in Vietnam who said, "Arguing with stupid people is like wrestling with pigs--you both get dirty and the pig likes it."

I've run into a number of people like Denn over the years and have finally decided upon the ultimate answer to their rants: "When you get attacked, do what you believe in. If you survive. come back and tell us about it. If you don't, score one for Darwin."

Thanks to those of you who offered well-reasoned input and articulate responses. See you at the diving-board end of the gene pool.

Stay safe,

[Puyallupknifegu]

Michael, thank you for passing on that bit of good advice. :)
I am now content to let this thread slowly fade away... :rolleyes:




Paraforce, I enjoyed your post immensely. :D


What is your background to be giving advice? LEO, Military, Martial Arts, Training, stayed at a Holliday Inn? Halfneck, thanks for the laugh!


Glad to know we have quite a few edgeucated and/or intelligent people on this forum! So good to be home!

Tim

[sal]

Thanx much Michael.

sal

[denn]

I worked with a very wise SF medic in Vietnam who said, "Arguing with stupid people is like wrestling with pigs--you both get dirty and the pig likes it."

I've run into a number of people like Denn over the years and have finally decided upon the ultimate answer to their rants: "When you get attacked, do what you believe in. If you survive. come back and tell us about it. If you don't, score one for Darwin."

Thanks to those of you who offered well-reasoned input and articulate responses. See you at the diving-board end of the gene pool.

Stay safe,

yeah, thanks a lot Mike :mad: . btw, i read both your books, and to think i actually liked your book on some hints and tips, it makes me sick to my stomach now seeing your reply to my comments and apersonality you think i have. glad i sold you books. also saw you used a Police for self-defense. that's not exactly the best choice because of the slippery steel handle in combination with sweaty adrenalin hands. btw, you don't even know me, so don't judge me too fast, or you end up being a 'flaming assholes' like me.

furthermore, i'm not gonna tell anything about my 'background' and why i think what i think. i just do, and all info on that is more or less off the record and eyes-only. figure it out yourself, i could care less.

btw, the mall-ninja comment was just a funny pun, an expression. geez, you guys are so easily offended. you can call ME anythng you want. be it *******, bullshitter, mallninja, desktopwarrior, prick, dork, troll. i could care less. get some therapy guys, it's all just small sticks and stones, not a knife in your throat or anything......... :rolleyes:

famous last words again: done with this thread. godspeed to all who can put their training to good use. most people cannot. and whether they can or cannot. having knifing as a sport is not going to be much of a help in court, you know. but maybe it's different in the USA, but over here in Europe, everyone with a knife is considered a dangerous serial killer......

[sal]

Maybe this thread got a little out of hand? :confused:

sal

[Wali]

Maybe this thread got a little out of hand? :confused:

sal

Yup! I think the big lock should be pulled out and put on it.....

[Zac]

Maybe this thread got a little out of hand? :confused:

sal

Sooo....
Sam wakes up at home with a huge hangover. Forcing him to open his eyes, the first thing he sees is a couple of aspirins and a glass of water on the side
table. He sits down and notices his clothes in front of him, all clean and pressed. He looks around the room and sees that it is in perfect order, all spotless and clean. So is the rest of the house. He takes the aspirins and notices a note on the table, "Sweetheart, your breakfast is on the stove. I had to leave early to go shopping. Love you."

So, he goes to the kitchen and, sure enough, there is a hot breakfast and the morning newspaper. His son is sitting at the table, eating.

"What happened last night, son?" Sam asks.

His son replies, "Well, you came home after 3:00 AM, very drunk and delirious. Broke some furniture, puked in the hallway, and gave yourself a black eye when you stumbled into the door."

Confused, Sam asks, "So, why is everything in order and so clean, and breakfast is on the table waiting for me?"

"Oh that! Mom dragged you to the bedroom, and when she tried to take your
pants off, you said, 'Lady, leave me alone. I'm married'," his son replies.

[Halfneck]

I'd vote for a lock on this and a warning to denn at the very least. Initially your post was just your personal views regarding edged self-defense, ill informed in my opinion. Then you became a bit abrasive when some other posters shot holes in your opinions, rather than respond with anything to back it up. Lastly you "screwed the pooch" so to speak, by your rude comments directed at Michael Janich. Pssst by the way, Mr. Janich has had training in various styles of knife combatives, is an accomplished instructor himself, written a few books on the subject, and a pretty informative gentleman when it comes to knives. You on the other hand give us the usual "If I told you, I'd have to kill you" response regarding your background. Especially endearing is your childish, sour grapes whine that you are glad you sold his books because he disagreed with your viewpoint.

denn - I'm getting to be a cranky old man, and as the years pass I have less an less use for people acting stupid. I'm more than happy to tolerate other posters differing viewpoints as long as they are tactful, polite, and supportive. Those that post rubbish that is rude to others, and is nothing more than "because I said so" foolishness, will be called on it. I am more than happy to participate in future discussions with you if you can keep your comments constructive and polite.

[zenheretic]

A troll is a bulletin board participant who posts for one or both of two reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.

btw, the mall-ninja comment was just a funny pun, an expression. geez, you guys are so easily offended.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.

– Contrarian Warning Sign Number One: The most important indicator of a poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.

famous last words again: done with this thread. godspeed to all who can put their training to good use. most people cannot. and whether they can or cannot. having knifing as a sport is not going to be much of a help in court, you know. but maybe it's different in the USA, but over here in Europe, everyone with a knife is considered a dangerous serial killer......

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not be able to resist posting

The EuroTroll. A subspecies of Contrarian Troll, EuroTrolls frequent US-based forums, or forums that are otherwise dominated by Americans. They never tire of disagreeing with American sentiments or challenging statements and concepts favorable to the US. EuroTrolls generally believe that Americans are arrogant and ignorant of the great civilizations in Europe and elsewhere – civilizations far superior to America, if only Americans would stop to notice this fact. Usually quite proud of socialism and other European institutions and conventions unpopular among American individualists, EuroTrolls often devolve into some lesser species of troll when they can find no one but other trolls (and fellow foreigners) to agree with them.

[TazKristi]

Closed - time to cool-down.

Kristi