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4 s ter, glad I read you right <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Ted, as you reasoned, function is covered under patent. Trademarks cover distinctive identifying designs. Patents last 20 years, TMs 20 years too but generally indefinitely renewable. Hope that clears it up for you!
I like Spyderco for what I like to buy most of all: Light, strong, innovative and ergonomic knives. If I want to break rocks, a Strider. As for Benchmade, their Bali-Song knives light my fire.
Shards
Benchmade vs. Spyderco
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hi Mystillwater. We really appreciate all visitors. Even those that really prefer Benchmade products. After all, we're all knife aficianados and we wouldn't be here if we didn't enjoy our time spent here. Also, Benchmade makes a good product which we respect.
I was surprized to hear that you thought we might not be telling the truth about obtaining a trademark? On a public forum?
I was just as surprized to hear that you are going to cut CPM-S30V Para in half with an ATS-34 blade? Let us know the results.
sal
I was surprized to hear that you thought we might not be telling the truth about obtaining a trademark? On a public forum?
I was just as surprized to hear that you are going to cut CPM-S30V Para in half with an ATS-34 blade? Let us know the results.
sal
jeromel wrote:
"Slightly off-topic, but to clarify a post from thombrogan, my recollection of computer history is that Apple stole the GUI concept from Xerox at the Palo Alto Research Center."
Steal is such an ugly word... <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/vectronic/macin ... on.html">I like this version much better</a> :-)
Edited by - jbake on 4/23/2004 2:41:55 PM
"Slightly off-topic, but to clarify a post from thombrogan, my recollection of computer history is that Apple stole the GUI concept from Xerox at the Palo Alto Research Center."
Steal is such an ugly word... <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/vectronic/macin ... on.html">I like this version much better</a> :-)
Edited by - jbake on 4/23/2004 2:41:55 PM
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mystillwater
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sal,
thanks for your response. i've actually been a spyderfan for several years longer than i've been a benchmade fan. i'll always have a spyderco within reach.
as for my joke about my S30V skirmish cutting thru my S30V military....just a joke. the skirmish is very well built and certainly not ATS-34 but so is the military.
i also never said that i didn't think YOU were telling the truth about the trademark/pantent info. i've never seen you comment on the issue. i was reffering to some off-the-cuff comments form others. most of whom were incorrect in their assumptions. i DO believe that there is a trademark on the opening hole because i've seen the document. i also belive if you have a legal right to the hole opening then you should go after people who use it without permission or call off your hounds from bashing the manufacturers in question if you've got no problem with benchmade using the hole. if you do have a problem then you should go after them in court, i'm sure most of your fans, me included, would support you if you have a reasonable claim.
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thanks for your response. i've actually been a spyderfan for several years longer than i've been a benchmade fan. i'll always have a spyderco within reach.
as for my joke about my S30V skirmish cutting thru my S30V military....just a joke. the skirmish is very well built and certainly not ATS-34 but so is the military.
i also never said that i didn't think YOU were telling the truth about the trademark/pantent info. i've never seen you comment on the issue. i was reffering to some off-the-cuff comments form others. most of whom were incorrect in their assumptions. i DO believe that there is a trademark on the opening hole because i've seen the document. i also belive if you have a legal right to the hole opening then you should go after people who use it without permission or call off your hounds from bashing the manufacturers in question if you've got no problem with benchmade using the hole. if you do have a problem then you should go after them in court, i'm sure most of your fans, me included, would support you if you have a reasonable claim.
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This is my opinion only and not intended to start a war here. Both knife manufacturers make excellent products. In my opinion, lately I feel Spyderco has the edge. With the invention of the Dodo, Ronin, ATR, and soon the Yojimbo, they are ahead of their rival. I have owned Benchmades before and they were good knives but nothing I have kept. The Pinnacle and Ascent are probably their best models. Once I got an ATR, I never desired a Benchmade anymore. The quality of the ATR is outstanding. I even owned a Sebenza and the ATR beats it hands down. I'm very impressed with new inventions and I hate when a manufacturer tries to keep selling outdated products. Thanks for reading my forum!!
IF WAR IS ****, TAKE A BETTER PITCHFORK THAN THE DEVIL
IF WAR IS ****, TAKE A BETTER PITCHFORK THAN THE DEVIL
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mystillwater
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no wonder you don't like benchmade, you're favorite benchmades are long since discontinued. if that's how you measure benchmade then maybe you should check out a 940 or an Benchmite or at least an AXIS lock model.
as for the ATR...it's AWESOME. it is definatly a flagship model for spyderco. now if they could only fill some backorders....
as for the ATR...it's AWESOME. it is definatly a flagship model for spyderco. now if they could only fill some backorders....
Hi Mystillwater. Thank you.
Regarding Benchmade. They make a very good knife.
Both Spyderco & Benchmade use good materials. Both use good designers.
There are many technologies that both employ and there are many differences in the models. There are also similarities and differences in the two companies.
sal
Regarding Benchmade. They make a very good knife.
Both Spyderco & Benchmade use good materials. Both use good designers.
There are many technologies that both employ and there are many differences in the models. There are also similarities and differences in the two companies.
sal
I'm going to look at this from a what I use and carry most and what sits in the box in the safe. The BM ATCK and CQC series I carried most until I dropped one and found it a week later in the woods (rusted)No pits and it cleaned up.I feel BM just ran out of creative juice. Spyderco's are always exciting ,innovative, and just plain fresh.Always a pleasure to chat with at the shows.Never had one rust yet. I do like oil and wipe my blades while watching TV. SPYDIES RULE. Be @ Peace ..SM
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innovative design and materials, plus a custom finish on high end knives : spyderco. period.
i dont own a BM, simply 'cause NONE of them appeal me. they are too similar to the average knife.nothing new under the sun.
To me , the design and ergo of Spyderco (plus the integrity of the firm) is simply unarrived.. and specially i never find somethin new or interesting on BM products. I have knives of a lot of firms, none BM. and this BEFORE the 630 affair (that i find at least embarassing for BM.. i mean , the poor justifications for using the SpydieHole are - well- ..embarassing. in italy we say " climbing on mirrors" , when somebody try to justify an action without any strong argument in hand)
of course this is my opinion . and excuse me if i 'm a spydie fanatic, but i never found a company so sensitive to ELU's needs and responsive to any imput from us.. who else act this way ? you can go and ask something to the owner of any other big cutlery firm ?.. i think that in a world where the consumer is only interesting when spend money, the Spyderco way really deserve a give back.
regards
i dont own a BM, simply 'cause NONE of them appeal me. they are too similar to the average knife.nothing new under the sun.
To me , the design and ergo of Spyderco (plus the integrity of the firm) is simply unarrived.. and specially i never find somethin new or interesting on BM products. I have knives of a lot of firms, none BM. and this BEFORE the 630 affair (that i find at least embarassing for BM.. i mean , the poor justifications for using the SpydieHole are - well- ..embarassing. in italy we say " climbing on mirrors" , when somebody try to justify an action without any strong argument in hand)
of course this is my opinion . and excuse me if i 'm a spydie fanatic, but i never found a company so sensitive to ELU's needs and responsive to any imput from us.. who else act this way ? you can go and ask something to the owner of any other big cutlery firm ?.. i think that in a world where the consumer is only interesting when spend money, the Spyderco way really deserve a give back.
regards
Disorder Posted: i never found a company so sensitive to ELU's needs and responsive to any imput from us.. who else act this way ? you can go and ask something to the owner of any other big cutlery firm ?.. >>>
The only other company I'm aware of that will implement user feedback, and who's president is available to talk to is Strider Knives.
I've spoken with Sal Glesser and Mick Strider about their knives, and each time, it's a pleasure to talk to both company presidents.
Sniper -- One Shot, One Kill Email: ST8PEN01@aol.com
The only other company I'm aware of that will implement user feedback, and who's president is available to talk to is Strider Knives.
I've spoken with Sal Glesser and Mick Strider about their knives, and each time, it's a pleasure to talk to both company presidents.
Sniper -- One Shot, One Kill Email: ST8PEN01@aol.com
Well after 5 pages, I thought I would put in my 2 cents<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Gotta agree with jim. Both Sal and Mick Strider are readily available to talk to. I don't even have a Strider(yet<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>) and have had Mick reply to a post of mine.
As per the question, the original one, Spyderco hands down. I have had 4 BM's over the years. Pinnacle, Sentinel, 940 and CQC-7. Pinnacle is a good knife, nothing fancy fit and finish was decent. 940 was nice, well made nice fit and finish. CQC-7 picked up surface rust in less than a week...returned it the following day of noticing the rust. Sentinel...ah my Fav BM of all time. But it is a collaboration, so design has to go to Mr. Elishewitz. Fit and Finish was good. I am in the process of replacing the rusted screws that hold it together. I dealt with BM customer service twice now. Once years ago and was not pleased and then a couple of months back and was pleased at the better service. Sent me the Sentinel screws for free<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
I think <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> is just a better company through service, fit and finish, price, and design. A great company which gets my vote. Take Care!!!
Gotta agree with jim. Both Sal and Mick Strider are readily available to talk to. I don't even have a Strider(yet<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>) and have had Mick reply to a post of mine.
As per the question, the original one, Spyderco hands down. I have had 4 BM's over the years. Pinnacle, Sentinel, 940 and CQC-7. Pinnacle is a good knife, nothing fancy fit and finish was decent. 940 was nice, well made nice fit and finish. CQC-7 picked up surface rust in less than a week...returned it the following day of noticing the rust. Sentinel...ah my Fav BM of all time. But it is a collaboration, so design has to go to Mr. Elishewitz. Fit and Finish was good. I am in the process of replacing the rusted screws that hold it together. I dealt with BM customer service twice now. Once years ago and was not pleased and then a couple of months back and was pleased at the better service. Sent me the Sentinel screws for free<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
I think <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> is just a better company through service, fit and finish, price, and design. A great company which gets my vote. Take Care!!!
Disorder Posted: thanks Jim and Cke, i always loved Strider design ,and now knowing that has the same attitude of S. make me really interested in one of his -rugged- folders.>>>
To make it even better is Strider's warranty guarantee, which is: If you destroy it, we'll replace it, no questions asked. 100% replacement guarantee, no matter what.
Name one other knife company that offers that. I'm not aware of any at all. Most have a clause about abuse, etc. Not Strider; even if you abuse it, they'll still replace it.
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To make it even better is Strider's warranty guarantee, which is: If you destroy it, we'll replace it, no questions asked. 100% replacement guarantee, no matter what.
Name one other knife company that offers that. I'm not aware of any at all. Most have a clause about abuse, etc. Not Strider; even if you abuse it, they'll still replace it.
Sniper -- One Shot, One Kill Email: ST8PEN01@aol.com
In my mind I think there is a difference in what each company markets that creates a bit of an image that affects how people may perceive each company.
Benchmade seems to focus most of their marketing on their higher end, more engineered knives and less on their lighter zytel knives. Spyderco seems to do just the opposite. They seem to market more towards the zytel end of the market allowing people to enter there and then discover their higher end knives.
So then there's a perception that Spyderco is recognized for it's lightweight models and Benchmade for it's engineered models. But If you compare the like style knives side by side the difference seems to disappear.
Benchmade seems to focus most of their marketing on their higher end, more engineered knives and less on their lighter zytel knives. Spyderco seems to do just the opposite. They seem to market more towards the zytel end of the market allowing people to enter there and then discover their higher end knives.
So then there's a perception that Spyderco is recognized for it's lightweight models and Benchmade for it's engineered models. But If you compare the like style knives side by side the difference seems to disappear.