MAP policy change? 35%

[RamZar]

if sprints and exclusives don't follow MAP i wonder what we will see in the future... dealers selling sprints cheaper than the production model or am I wishful thinking....seems like some sprints/exclusives in the past took forever to sell out bc they were priced too high or didn't seem like much of an upgrade compared to the production model...

I saw dealers selling exclusives and sprints below MAP only when they couldn't get rid of stock. But many times I saw dealers selling exclusives and sprints above MAP. So I am not counting on cheap sprints or exclusives.
Sorry.

DLT sold the PM2 M390/Red G-10 below MAP at $150 from day one and even gave another $10 discount on each if bought in quantities of 2+.

[jdw]

If my Spydies are only going to increase in cost $5 for a base model Dragonfly and $18 for a top shelf fluted carbon fiber native, I'd say at worst I will buy one less knife this year.

I'm very loyal to Spyderco, but it's not blind loyalty. I am loyal because they make the best value knives on the market. I just looked at what's for sale at BHQ, KW, and KP... as far as I can see Spyderco is STILL the best value out there. If you know where I can get a knife that rivals the Fluted CF Native in quality for under $230, I'm all ears. If you can do better than a VG-10 Delica for $68 I'm all ears. (Not to mention there's always the Byrd line for the truly budget conscious) I look at what other companies are offering and I see plenty of lower prices, but nothing approaching the quality, craftsmanship, and materials.

(Also, the key to a good shiny knife selfie is to rotate the knives you carry often enough to spread out the wear and tear across several knives instead of on just one; and of course using care and attention to detail when sharpening, stropping, polishing, cleaning with 90% alcohol and q-tips, oiling, using compressed air to blow out dust and debris, dremel polishing, ect. With a little care and attention to detail you can keep your knives looking shiny and new even after they've been used for years )

I really appreciate your input. In so many ways you are correct. There are "lesser" value American made steels out there that we have the option to choose from. If you want to go high carbon what is the real difference between 52100 and my ancient Ka-Bar?

[mattman]

IIRC from the first go 'round of MAP, it doesn't apply to dealer exclusives.... They commissioned it, they set the retail. Therefore, there's not really any relevance to include them in this discussion.

[RamZar]

I hear that knife is a winner... I almost bought it but chose the fluted cf n5 instead

Good choice :cool:

Both have the satin S90V blade and are very light at 3.1 ounces for the linerless G-10 and 2.8 ounces for the Fluted CF. The Fluted CF is gorgeous. However, now the Fluted CF is $233.97 and the linerless G-10 is $139.95!

We paid only $215 in 2017. :)
If I loose mine, I will pay $234. The knife is drop dead gorgeous and like made for my hand. Cannot say anything about KC exclusive. It is still in the mail. I pulled the trigger on 31st.

I paid $215.97 for my Native5 Fluted CF as well.

However, now I feel that the S90V with linerless G-10 at $139.95 is just such a great buy compared to the S90V Fluted CF at $233.97 and the heavy S35VN/G-10 with liners at $146.22!

[SharpieB]

If Spyderco has become a matter of prestige and elitism then I want no part of it. They began making solid knives like I had never seen before. I was poor and they were affordable quality. All things must pass.

How is a knife company that sells likely 90% of their American made knives for $75-150 guilty of “prestige or elitism”?

Nothing against CRK, Hinderer or other $300-600+ brands (amazing products with incredible attention to every detail), but I can think of at least a dozen other manufactures that would fit into this mold much better than Spyderco.

[Brendanenon]

If Spyderco has become a matter of prestige and elitism then I want no part of it. They began making solid knives like I had never seen before. I was poor and they were affordable quality. All things must pass.

Well, this thing has yet to pass :)



Quality made, full sized folders for under $25 shipped. Hard to beat that.

Your post is insulting. Had you truly known quality before 1990 then you may understand. Do not give me a pile of Chinese SH*T and act like you know are talking about.

Not sure what you're getting at, and why you're being so hostile. The Byrds are well made knives. So were the swiss army knives I carried in the 80's.

My first spyderco was the Byrd raven. It's a great knife and better steels will keep moving down to lower end market knives. Same goes for bushings, production tech etc. But I like the higher end spydies too. Fortunately I've got a good spyderco foundation collection at this point so I'll feel better about picking up a grail knife here and there and checking out some other makers as well.

Just want to say to the thread overall that the point of any of these knife threads is for people with a presumably common interest to discuss things. We aren't going to agree about every sub topic. There is no need to try to stifle one another's expressions. Stay on topic and non intrusive. Be cool :) In the name of his knifyness Sal keep footprints shiny, knife makers and enthusiasts alike. Be cool baby!

[ZrowsN1s]

JDW, I've never used Spyderco's 52100, and I'm not sure what type of high carbon steel k-bar used to use. But I can answer a little bit. The biggest difference I notice between Syderco and other companies is manufacturing quality. Someone posted a cut away pic of a Buck backlock next to a spyderco backlock, the difference in quality was visually noticeable. Spyderco offers a much higher level of precision in their manufacturing, this results in things like locks that function better, last longer, and fail less often. But back to your question of spyderco 52100 vs old school high carbon steel, if you take the handle, lock, and scales out of the equation and are just comparing steels, I'm going to guess the 52100 is going to be a better steel. I have no direct evidence of this, but if I know Sal and crew the 52100 steel they selected was top quality to begin with, then it was expertly heat treated by Spyderco using modern methods. I'm betting Spyderco uses a cleaner higher quality carbon steel, that is better heat treated than old school high carbon from k-bar (this is speculation on my part).

[bh49]

DLT sold the PM2 M390/Red G-10 below MAP at $150 from day one and even gave another $10 discount on each if bought in quantities of 2+.

This is shocking. But I am very pessimistic that we will see a lot of this.
It is too bad that I am not interested in PM or Red peel-ply G10.
At this time I am not planning to buy anything peel-ply G10

[RamZar]

DLT sold the PM2 M390/Red G-10 below MAP at $150 from day one and even gave another $10 discount on each if bought in quantities of 2+.

This is shocking. But I am very pessimistic that we will see a lot of this.
It is too bad that I am not interested in PM or Red peel-ply G10.
At this time I am not planning to buy anything peel-ply G10

Surprising but true. I hope other dealers don’t complain to Spyderco about DLT’s marketing strategy and pricing of their Exclusives. While Spyderco listens well to customers it probably listens even more to dealers and distributors.

[MacLaren]

Don't worry. DLT, told my cousin that the next one will be more expensive. Said they sold the red pm2 too cheap. That's straight from DLT.

[RamZar]

Don't worry. DLT, told my cousin that the next one will be more expensive. Said they sold the red pm2 too cheap. That's straight from DLT.

Everything will be at least 8.33% more expensive. :)

[bh49]

However, now I feel that the S90V with linerless G-10 at $139.95 is just such a great buy compared to the S90V Fluted CF at $233.97 and the heavy S35VN/G-10 with liners at $146.22!

I will tell you what do I think after I receive mine on Saturday. :)

[RamZar]

KC could be selling their exclusive Native5 S90V/Forest Green G-10 for 35% off MSRP which is $162.47 but instead they're selling it for $139.95 (44% off MSRP).

[MacLaren]

Don't worry. DLT, told my cousin that the next one will be more expensive. Said they sold the red pm2 too cheap. That's straight from DLT.

Everything will be at least 8.33% more expensive. :)

Lol. Oh yes :)

[bh49]

I am wishing that I bought Shaman in 2017. Not going to happen in 2018,

I lied :o :o :eek: :)

[RamZar]

I am wishing that I bought Shaman in 2017. Not going to happen in 2018,

I lied :o :o :eek: :)

Congrats!

I'm guessing/hoping you got it for 2017 pricing?

[bh49]

Thank you.

[MacLaren]

Congratz on the new Shaman, Roman!

[emjay4248]

I am new to Spyderco Forum but I am a member of Blade forum and the new pricing is being discussed there. I cannot believe that this has been done, the only thing that I can think of is that Spyderco wants the dealers to be able to make more money without costing Spyderco anything. I actually think that this is just the precursor to Spyderco also raising the prices to the vendor. My relationship with Spyderco is of loyalty to the brand but it is not etched in stone. With the economy the way it is collecting Spyderco's is an expensive hobby and passion and I have close to 40 so I am no slouch in the collecting department and not one of them is FRN they are all G-10 and CF.

With the better Chinese knife companies and the high quality level that they have attained I believe that they have created stiff competition for the American knife manufacturers. IMHO raising the prices is a slap in the face to serious Spyderco collectors and am glad that I did most of my Spydie collecting over the last few years and their is not alot more I will be buying this year unless the Shaman comes out in M390.

There are so many options today that we did not have 2 years ago from all the new Chinese companies and hate to say that the clone market is growing by leaps and bounds. the quality has gotten much better and sometimes surpasses the American companies and they sell for half the price. I was given a Military clone as a gift and I use it in the house as a box and letter opener because I refuse to buy or carry a clone, but I must say that for an EDC knife they are **** good. I by no means am supporting clones I am just telling it the way it is. My collection of Spyderco's has gone from 60% of my collection to about 40%. I am not selling them I am just purchasing more of the others. These prices will make Benchmades more affordable.

If they were having trouble with the vendors because of their dwindling profit margins then Spyderco should have kicked some in instead of just penalizing us. I am very upset about this whole scenario. This adds to my first issue with Spyderco. The unpleasant attitude that the Warranty Dept has and I am not the first to say this. It's the only warranty knife shop that does not supply you any info as to when your knife will be finished or shipped, in addition they will not supply you with a tracking # so you can see the progress. I have nearly $5000 worth of Spyderco's and feel that if I need a screw or blade I should not have to get pissed off about it.
An example of another unrelated case I ruined a blade on a Boker plus I have and called their warranty dept. and they told me how much and if I wanted them to do it, I said no thank you just send the blade. I payed and got the tracking # the next day and the blade was here in 4 days. That is how a company that appreciates there customers and make them feel that they are dealing with them respectfully and appreciatively.

[SharpieB]

I am new to Spyderco Forum but I am a member of Blade forum and the new pricing is being discussed there. I cannot believe that this has been done, the only thing that I can think of is that Spyderco wants the dealers to be able to make more money without costing Spyderco anything. I actually think that this is just the precursor to Spyderco also raising the prices to the vendor. My relationship with Spyderco is of loyalty to the brand but it is not etched in stone. With the economy the way it is collecting Spyderco's is an expensive hobby and passion and I have close to 40 so I am no slouch in the collecting department and not one of them is FRN they are all G-10 and CF.

With the better Chinese knife companies and the high quality level that they have attained I believe that they have created stiff competition for the American knife manufacturers. IMHO raising the prices is a slap in the face to serious Spyderco collectors and am glad that I did most of my Spydie collecting over the last few years and their is not alot more I will be buying this year unless the Shaman comes out in M390.

There are so many options today that we did not have 2 years ago from all the new Chinese companies and hate to say that the clone market is growing by leaps and bounds. the quality has gotten much better and sometimes surpasses the American companies and they sell for half the price. I was given a Military clone as a gift and I use it in the house as a box and letter opener because I refuse to buy or carry a clone, but I must say that for an EDC knife they are **** good. I by no means am supporting clones I am just telling it the way it is. My collection of Spyderco's has gone from 60% of my collection to about 40%. I am not selling them I am just purchasing more of the others. These prices will make Benchmades more affordable.

If they were having trouble with the vendors because of their dwindling profit margins then Spyderco should have kicked some in instead of just penalizing us. I am very upset about this whole scenario. This adds to my first issue with Spyderco. The unpleasant attitude that the Warranty Dept has and I am not the first to say this. It's the only warranty knife shop that does not supply you any info as to when your knife will be finished or shipped, in addition they will not supply you with a tracking # so you can see the progress. I have nearly $5000 worth of Spyderco's and feel that if I need a screw or blade I should not have to get pissed off about it.
An example of another unrelated case I ruined a blade on a Boker plus I have and called their warranty dept. and they told me how much and if I wanted them to do it, I said no thank you just send the blade. I payed and got the tracking # the next day and the blade was here in 4 days. That is how a company that appreciates there customers and make them feel that they are dealing with them respectfully and appreciatively.

You refuse to buy or carry a clone but use a Spderco clone as a letter opener? That’s cool with you? Seriously?

If you can’t afford or justify a $5-30 price increase on a great US made knife, why not buy something else?

Time is money and the time you put into this post could have likely bought you a new non-Spyderco knife.

Crazy.

P.s. Should vendors that have to pay for retail space, stock, staff and hydro, an make only 5-10% margin, ship it to you for free and also deal with returns when people don’t like the Camo colours,blade centering, etc. and be happy?

Your post is a joke.