XL knives to look forward to

[JoviAl]

I am hoping for word on the 4" version design of the Lil Temperance 3 LW.

I didn’t know that was a thing! That’s an exciting proposition. The only reason I don’t own a Lil Temp 3 is the blade being a bit too short for my typical uses. A longer one would be right up my alley.

[cabfrank]

I haven't heard anything about such a thing, but, never say never.

[derangedhermit]

I haven't heard anything about such a thing, but, never say never.

Sal said he would draw up 3.5" and 4" versions, over in the LT3LW thread.

[Stas]

I haven't heard anything about such a thing, but, never say never.

Sal said he would draw up 3.5" and 4" versions, over in the LT3LW thread.

Oh yes, he also said it could even be a lock-back version.
Also, I remember Sal said that the Caribbean XL design and prototype have existed.
So many things to look forward to...

[cabfrank]

Well then...good news. That design would be fantastic with a longer blade.

[wrdwrght]

I haven't heard anything about such a thing, but, never say never.

Sal said he would draw up 3.5" and 4" versions, over in the LT3LW thread.

Can you supply the link to Sal’s mention of larger LT3LWs? I haven’t found the reference.

[Stas]

I haven't heard anything about such a thing, but, never say never.

Sal said he would draw up 3.5" and 4" versions, over in the LT3LW thread.

Can you supply the link to Sal’s mention of larger LT3LWs? I haven’t found the reference.

If it help you with visualization:)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=93427&start=80#p1670204

[JoviAl]

A Caribbean XL too! Man, this is an excellent thread to wake up to! I would love a Lil Temp XL with a power lock - that would be a monster of a knife

[wrdwrght]

I haven't heard anything about such a thing, but, never say never.

Sal said he would draw up 3.5" and 4" versions, over in the LT3LW thread.

Can you supply the link to Sal’s mention of larger LT3LWs? I haven’t found the reference.

If it help you with visualization:)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=93427&start=80#p1670204

Thanks. Now I remember Sal saying what he did.

I inferred that larger LT3LWs would be years away, not simply because he had yet to picture them, but also because his chosen maker had found the existing LT3/LT3LWs a challenge to make and might not welcome larger versions.

In short, I found little reason to hold my breath.

Indeed, Sal’s idea for a sub-3” SD-capable knife first shipped over two decades ago. It took the shape it did partly for legal carry in restricted jurisdictions and partly to offer particular martial arts with a compact tool of considerable strength.

In short, with the LT1-3’s use-case so well-researched and tightly-tailored, I wonder who besides us forumites is looking for larger versions. I’m actually quite content with LTs as they are, but my curiosity always gets the better of me.

[derangedhermit]

I lack the temerity to directly ask about the status of a big Lil Temperance. I think it is a great design, and might find its ideal form with a 4" blade. Called the Temerity. There, the hardest part is done.

Do we know of any big knife not currently available that Spyderco has committed to produce (besides a same-size variant of an existing design, like the Chief LW)? The best news for me would be that any one of the sans-choil designs mentioned in this thread is actually going to be made.

[Cl1ff]

My curiosity also gets me all of the time.

A while ago, maybe around the time it was first mentioned on the forum, I had the urge to sketch what I thought a bigger LT3 would look like because the Lil’Temperances’ form includes a number of unique features that I would really appreciate on a larger knife.

Actually, I have sketched a couple variations.
I guess I’ll post pictures of them this time, even though I always feel a little odd doing so.

I did these a long time ago and they are only a couple inches in actual size. Not supposed to be for anything other than satiating curiosity.
They would need to be tweaked a lot to become proper designs with the right details, but the main focus for me were the blade shapes anyway.

The typical Lil’ Temperance blade shapes are probably more feasible or likely, and already perfect, but I didn’t sketch those.

Wharncliffes for fun!


Inspired by the original trailing point(?) Lil’Temperance. I wanted to incorporate a recurve because I think it adds to the function of the blade. For example, the recurved edge “traps” materials in the cut, which I think compliments the spine of the trailing point that is intended for a different sort of trapping.
This is good for the weapon aspect, as well as the general purpose tool uses.



Although, for the recurve variant, I mostly want it to be part of a general appeal for recurves and their under-appreciated functional versatility.


About the likelihood of a larger Lil’ Temperance, I agree . There is so much going on, so it is easy to understand that certain things may have to be prioritized, especially when the design works exactly as intended at the current size and shape.
I’m not going badger anybody about anything.


I might be one to chum the water occasionally, however, because I’m honestly interested in the design concept.

[Naperville]

Sal said he would draw up 3.5" and 4" versions, over in the LT3LW thread.

Can you supply the link to Sal’s mention of larger LT3LWs? I haven’t found the reference.

If it help you with visualization:)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=93427&start=80#p1670204

Thanks. Now I remember Sal saying what he did.

I inferred that larger LT3LWs would be years away, not simply because he had yet to picture them, but also because his chosen maker had found the existing LT3/LT3LWs a challenge to make and might not welcome larger versions.

In short, I found little reason to hold my breath.

Indeed, Sal’s idea for a sub-3” SD-capable knife first shipped over two decades ago. It took the shape it did partly for legal carry in restricted jurisdictions and partly to offer particular martial arts with a compact tool of considerable strength.

In short, with the LT1-3’s use-case so well-researched and tightly-tailored, I wonder who besides us forumites is looking for larger versions. I’m actually quite content with LTs as they are, but my curiosity always gets the better of me.

Don't misunderstand my frequent posts requesting 3.75+ folders. I never feel "on the outside looking in at everyone else" but when I talk about self defense, I have spent hundreds of hours in edged weapons and other martial arts classes.

All knives are fun to collect! Small knives are what most of us use every day until we are in the kitchen. But small knives are tricky to use in self defense, and the reason is because in almost all knife defense scenarios, the defender cuts or thrusts what they can reach. I like 1 inch blades but if I had to use a knife to defend myself: you have the handle/grip, the blade NOT on the target(might be up to 3+ inches), and finally the blade cutting or thrusting into the target(might be 1 to 2 inches). So you can see that getting a 1 inch blade on someone in a self defense scenario is akin to being a kamikaze pilot! You would have to be attacking and running into the opponent to make use of a 3 inch and shorter blade.

Most of the medieval edged weapons had 24 inch to 36 inch blades. IT IS HARD TO GET INSIDE or near an opponent. It is VERY hard to hit a target like a limb, foot, fist at speed under duress.

All of the courses that I was involved in start with the basic tenet that I am not the attacker, I am a defender, so if it is a game, I get to move 2nd, not 1st. I have to wait until they throw a strike at me.

Second, I was told to attacks limbs. Yes of course, there are other places to put the tip of a knife or the edge of a blade, and the longer you are around the facts do come out. Most of the Filipino martial arts actual targets ARE HIDDEN! The head(grandmaster) and those directly under him(masters and guros) are not going to discuss any of the actual targets in the first 6 months with you. So as a student you buy tons of DVDs, go to many different instructors, and pour of hundreds of hours of video to see how people DEFENDING themselves get to target areas.

Third, it is hard to hit a limb a fist, a leg, a foot when it is being explosively thrown at you in a kick or punch. It is easier to target the torso....but where? Well, you aren't told most of the time, after all, the folks instructing really don't trust you with the information! You have to seek that info over the years, the hundreds of hours of DVDs/videos, and study anatomy charts.

4 inch blades are good, solid knives for self defense. 5 is even better.

[Fireman]

This thread makes me want Manix XL.

With choil-less, handle-forward design.

In magnacut.

drew this three years ago. fingers crossed

I would go nuts to get that knife in LC200N or Magnacut

[wrdwrght]

Can you supply the link to Sal’s mention of larger LT3LWs? I haven’t found the reference.

If it help you with visualization:)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=93427&start=80#p1670204

Thanks. Now I remember Sal saying what he did.

I inferred that larger LT3LWs would be years away, not simply because he had yet to picture them, but also because his chosen maker had found the existing LT3/LT3LWs a challenge to make and might not welcome larger versions.

In short, I found little reason to hold my breath.

Indeed, Sal’s idea for a sub-3” SD-capable knife first shipped over two decades ago. It took the shape it did partly for legal carry in restricted jurisdictions and partly to offer particular martial arts with a compact tool of considerable strength.

In short, with the LT1-3’s use-case so well-researched and tightly-tailored, I wonder who besides us forumites is looking for larger versions. I’m actually quite content with LTs as they are, but my curiosity always gets the better of me.

Don't misunderstand my frequent posts requesting 3.75+ folders. I never feel "on the outside looking in at everyone else" but when I talk about self defense, I have spent hundreds of hours in edged weapons and other martial arts classes.

All knives are fun to collect! Small knives are what most of us use every day until we are in the kitchen. But small knives are tricky to use in self defense, and the reason is because in almost all knife defense scenarios, the defender cuts or thrusts what they can reach. I like 1 inch blades but if I had to use a knife to defend myself: you have the handle/grip, the blade NOT on the target(might be up to 3+ inches), and finally the blade cutting or thrusting into the target(might be 1 to 2 inches). So you can see that getting a 1 inch blade on someone in a self defense scenario is akin to being a kamikaze pilot! You would have to be attacking and running into the opponent to make use of a 3 inch and shorter blade.

Most of the medieval edged weapons had 24 inch to 36 inch blades. IT IS HARD TO GET INSIDE or near an opponent. It is VERY hard to hit a target like a limb, foot, fist at speed under duress.

All of the courses that I was involved in start with the basic tenet that I am not the attacker, I am a defender, so if it is a game, I get to move 2nd, not 1st. I have to wait until they throw a strike at me.

Second, I was told to attacks limbs. Yes of course, there are other places to put the tip of a knife or the edge of a blade, and the longer you are around the facts do come out. Most of the Filipino martial arts actual targets ARE HIDDEN! The head(grandmaster) and those directly under him(masters and guros) are not going to discuss any of the actual targets in the first 6 months with you. So as a student you buy tons of DVDs, go to many different instructors, and pour of hundreds of hours of video to see how people DEFENDING themselves get to target areas.

Third, it is hard to hit a limb a fist, a leg, a foot when it is being explosively thrown at you in a kick or punch. It is easier to target the torso....but where? Well, you aren't told most of the time, after all, the folks instructing really don't trust you with the information! You have to seek that info over the years, the hundreds of hours of DVDs/videos, and study anatomy charts.

4 inch blades are good, solid knives for self defense. 5 is even better.

What, pray tell, has prompted this wall of text?

[vivi]

you must be new here

[Naperville]

If it help you with visualization:)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=93427&start=80#p1670204

Thanks. Now I remember Sal saying what he did.

I inferred that larger LT3LWs would be years away, not simply because he had yet to picture them, but also because his chosen maker had found the existing LT3/LT3LWs a challenge to make and might not welcome larger versions.

In short, I found little reason to hold my breath.

Indeed, Sal’s idea for a sub-3” SD-capable knife first shipped over two decades ago. It took the shape it did partly for legal carry in restricted jurisdictions and partly to offer particular martial arts with a compact tool of considerable strength.

In short, with the LT1-3’s use-case so well-researched and tightly-tailored, I wonder who besides us forumites is looking for larger versions. I’m actually quite content with LTs as they are, but my curiosity always gets the better of me.

Don't misunderstand my frequent posts requesting 3.75+ folders. I never feel "on the outside looking in at everyone else" but when I talk about self defense, I have spent hundreds of hours in edged weapons and other martial arts classes.

All knives are fun to collect! Small knives are what most of us use every day until we are in the kitchen. But small knives are tricky to use in self defense, and the reason is because in almost all knife defense scenarios, the defender cuts or thrusts what they can reach. I like 1 inch blades but if I had to use a knife to defend myself: you have the handle/grip, the blade NOT on the target(might be up to 3+ inches), and finally the blade cutting or thrusting into the target(might be 1 to 2 inches). So you can see that getting a 1 inch blade on someone in a self defense scenario is akin to being a kamikaze pilot! You would have to be attacking and running into the opponent to make use of a 3 inch and shorter blade.

Most of the medieval edged weapons had 24 inch to 36 inch blades. IT IS HARD TO GET INSIDE or near an opponent. It is VERY hard to hit a target like a limb, foot, fist at speed under duress.

All of the courses that I was involved in start with the basic tenet that I am not the attacker, I am a defender, so if it is a game, I get to move 2nd, not 1st. I have to wait until they throw a strike at me.

Second, I was told to attacks limbs. Yes of course, there are other places to put the tip of a knife or the edge of a blade, and the longer you are around the facts do come out. Most of the Filipino martial arts actual targets ARE HIDDEN! The head(grandmaster) and those directly under him(masters and guros) are not going to discuss any of the actual targets in the first 6 months with you. So as a student you buy tons of DVDs, go to many different instructors, and pour of hundreds of hours of video to see how people DEFENDING themselves get to target areas.

Third, it is hard to hit a limb a fist, a leg, a foot when it is being explosively thrown at you in a kick or punch. It is easier to target the torso....but where? Well, you aren't told most of the time, after all, the folks instructing really don't trust you with the information! You have to seek that info over the years, the hundreds of hours of DVDs/videos, and study anatomy charts.

4 inch blades are good, solid knives for self defense. 5 is even better.

What, pray tell, has prompted this wall of text?

I thought I was adding to your statement regarding 3 inch self defense knives. Just wanted people to have as much information as possible.

I wasn't trying to be argumentative, pro/con, just add some info on the facts about knives and self defense and what people are up against in using a knife for self defense.

[Naperville]

you must be new here

OOPS!

[Naperville]

Believe me, until you engage someone with a "wooden stick" that is only sticking out of your palm 1 to <3 inches you will not know how hard it is to defend yourself with that small weapon. You are going to be getting punched in the face and kicked in the knees and there is really no way to stop an opponent.

A 4 to 5 inch "wooden stick" stands off opponents and they cannot justify getting inside and striking you.

OK, now change wooden stick with knife blade.

[Naperville]

The topic at hand is, "XL knives to look forward to" not sub 3 inch blades and I an defending the XL blades with reasons why an XL blade is important and highly desirable.

[Tristan_david2001]

The topic at hand is, "XL knives to look forward to" not sub 3 inch blades and I an defending the XL blades with reasons why an XL blade is important and highly desirable.

a self defense blade becomes way more effective the longer/larger the blade is(to the extent). But doesn’t necessarily mean a knife design with a blade over 4 inches is always better than a knife design with sub 3” blade for self defense purposes, or sub 3” blades can’t be designed for self defense. Not everybody wants or can carry knives that large but still are mindful of a tactical self defense blade as an option.