Spyderco and Cold Steel "collaboration" of sorts.

[Surfingringo]

I prefer substance over style. That being said...

Me too. I also prefer function over form. Thats why I am here on the Spyderco forum.

I still know a sexy knife when I see one though. :)

[MCM]

Still go with a CCW over several hundred other options...

[PHP87]

I can't legally carry a firearm in California, but many Counties have lax knife laws.

I can legally carry my CS Grande Vaquero, 6" of Serrated VG1
Same with my Spyderco Civilian.
My g/f lives in a County that frowns upon blades 3" or longer, so I have a Spyderco Byrd Hawkbill on order.

[PHP87]

I prefer substance over style. That being said...

Me too. I also prefer function over form. Thats why I am here on the Spyderco forum.

I still know a sexy knife when I see one though. :)

The BT II cost less than the Matriarch 2 and uses superior materials as I've outlined in a previous post.

But if you want to believe what you want, go right ahead.

[Surfingringo]

I prefer substance over style. That being said...

Me too. I also prefer function over form. Thats why I am here on the Spyderco forum.

I still know a sexy knife when I see one though. :)

The BT II cost less than the Matriarch 2 and uses superior materials as I've outlined in a previous post.

But if you want to believe what you want, go right ahead.

Ok, thanks. Welcome to the forum PHP87. :)

[PHP87]

I prefer substance over style. That being said...

Me too. I also prefer function over form. Thats why I am here on the Spyderco forum.

I still know a sexy knife when I see one though. :)

The BT II cost less than the Matriarch 2 and uses superior materials as I've outlined in a previous post.

But if you want to believe what you want, go right ahead.

Ok, thanks. Welcome to the forum PHP87. :)

Thanks for the welcome.

BTW, what type of lube do you use on your Fishing Reels?

I know an old-time, salt-water Fisherman that swears by Pro Shot Zero Friction lube on his Reels and I have used it on my knives and Semi-Auto Pistols and it makes the action buttery smooth.

Any input on Pro Shot Zero Friction, or does Mobil 1 work just as well?

[Doc Dan]

I was going to suggest a while back that Spyderco acquire permission from Cold Steel to use the Triad Lock. The best knives with the best lock makes sense. Cold Steel is building better knives than ever before but I still prefer Spyderco. If they were to give permission and Spyderco had to pay some small royalties (as other knife companies have had to do) it would be a win-win situation for all of us.

I have several Triad Lock knives and they are anything but slow. They are the smoothest knives I own, but for two Spydercos and one Benchmade lock back.

[PHP87]

I am waiting for the video of Sal attacking a hanging side of beef, a couple whole pigs or a rope or rolled mat, bamboo or what ever with a folder.
Or the lock test! Or how about a two handed Chinese War Sword colab! And a boot full of meat!
LOL LOL
(kidding) :o

I'm sure you know that Sal? (Or where you thinking of Lynn Thompson?"

There is vid on YT of Lynn hunting a wild Buffalo.
Lynn throws his spear from about 10' away, only to have the Buffalo turn it's head and have the spear hit one of its horns.
The Buffalo charges Lynn, who moves laterally while deploying a huge Revovler and puts the Buffalo down.

Gotta respect a guy that isn't just a talker.

[Halfneck]

Good to see Cold Steel asking permission from Spyderco.

Now they just need to get permission from Emerson Knives for the "unintended" wave feature with their opening tab.

[PHP87]

CS has been using a thumb plate for quite some time on numerous knifes and its a lot different than the "wave' feature.

Otherwise, Emerson would have taken them to court and collected a hefty judgement.

BTW, CS has been putting thumb plates long before Emerson started selling knives, so maybe Emerson should ask CS for their "kind permission"

But it doesn't matter as the two styles are much different.

[Mygrainman]

My biggest folder(Cold Steel XL) and smallest folder(Spyderco LBK) collaborating :D

Sorry had to do it :rolleyes:

[PHP87]

I'll have similar pics soon.

6" Vaquero Grande in VG1 & a 2.85" Byrd FRN Hawkbill.

Pics hopefully this weekend.

[gbelleh]

Here's my biggest CS folder, along with my smallest Spyderco folder... :D

[Halfneck]

CS has been using a thumb plate for quite some time on numerous knifes and its a lot different than the "wave' feature.

Otherwise, Emerson would have taken them to court and collected a hefty judgement.

BTW, CS has been putting thumb plates long before Emerson started selling knives, so maybe Emerson should ask CS for their "kind permission"

But it doesn't matter as the two styles are much different.

I'll disagree with you. The Emerson Wave device came out on the ESM-1, which later morphed into the Commander. Initially it was a blade-catcher of sorts, but was found to open the knife blade upon pulling it out of the pocket. Ernest Emerson then had it patented in 1999.

I don't recall seeing the thumb plates appear on Cold Steel knives until later. The Cold Steel folders I recall from that time period had thumb studs.

And the thumb plate is just different enough from the wave that they can avoid litigation.

[PHP87]

CS has been making knives since 1980.
My catalog archives go back to around 1990, so I'll check when I get home.

[Halfneck]

I do realize Cold Steel as a production knife company has been making knives longer than Emerson Knives, possibly even longer than his custom knives. From memory though I do not recall Cold Steel using the thumb plate till the AK-47 folder *I think*. I do remember there being a lot of heated discussion on various other boards about how the thumb plate functioned as a wave device around the time of the AK-47 folder. Lots of back & forth arguments on how it's a different style wave device vs. it was made just different enough to avoid litigation and having to ask permission.

While you're thumbing through those old catalogs see if you can find when Cold Steel last offered their Twistmasters. Still kick myself for not getting one of those beefed up Opinels.

[Studey]

Maybe you can check your facts while Emerson asks for permission.

CS has been using a thumb plate for quite some time on numerous knifes and its a lot different than the "wave' feature.

Otherwise, Emerson would have taken them to court and collected a hefty judgement.

BTW, CS has been putting thumb plates long before Emerson started selling knives, so maybe Emerson should ask CS for their "kind permission"

But it doesn't matter as the two styles are much different.

I'll disagree with you. The Emerson Wave device came out on the ESM-1, which later morphed into the Commander. Initially it was a blade-catcher of sorts, but was found to open the knife blade upon pulling it out of the pocket. Ernest Emerson then had it patented in 1999.

I don't recall seeing the thumb plates appear on Cold Steel knives until later. The Cold Steel folders I recall from that time period had thumb studs.

And the thumb plate is just different enough from the wave that they can avoid litigation.

Halfbeck, you beat me to it. Wave's been around waaaay longer than they've been using a thumb plate. I don't really carry who uses what, but that information is way off base.

[PHP87]

OK, I was wrong althought CS has been selling knives for about 11 years before Emerson.

The firs tuse of a CS Thumb Plate assist is in a 1992 Catalog. Maybe the patent expired. I know that they often expire on meds after 10 years which is why we have generics.

Back to the point, the "Wave'' and Thumb Plate have little in common and AFAIK, CS doesn't advertise it to deploy the blade by hooking it on your pocket as you draw your knife.

The only knife I know of advertised that way by CS is the Ti-Lite which uses a completey different system.

I wouldn't depend on the small ridge on the Thumb Plate for pocket opening and it appears to be 100% thumb assist.

Anyways, still waiting for the release of the Black Talon II...

And my Byrd Hawkbill should arrive Saturday!

Sorry, but my catalog collection only goes back to 1988 and I don't see the Opinel.

Saw one go for a lot of $$$ on eBay about a year ago.

[Halfneck]

Back to the point, the "Wave'' and Thumb Plate have little in common and AFAIK, CS doesn't advertise it to deploy the blade by hooking it on your pocket as you draw your knife.

Copied & pasted from the Cold Steel website.

"Finally, to assure fully ambidextrous and lightning fast access, each AK-47® comes with our patented thumb plate - allowing the knife to be drawn and simultaneously opened by snagging it on the edge of a pocket!"

"Built to snap into action in a flash thanks to our patented Demko Thumb Plate, the Espadas can be snagged on your pocket, actually opening the knife as you draw it – and bringing it in to play in the blink of an eye!"

Not trying to bust your balls, just pointing out that Cold Steel has a bit of a shady history in how they do business. I wish they wouldn't do stuff like that and follow Spyderco's "Shiny Footprints" idea. Cold Steel has quite a few decent knives & fills a niche for large folders in the knife industry. They need to let the quality of their designs & product speak for itself.

[PHP87]

I think CS does that quite well but the thumb plate is useless as a "wave" device.

But I'm not a fan of deploying steel with anything but my hand.