2013 Spyderco Forum Knife Native5 - C41GPGR5

[senorsquare]

Most of us are working, but we have lunches and breaks and everybody has cell phone in now days.

I ordered my first Paramilitary 2 on my iphone while riding on a bus between Dallas and Little Rock. Not optimal conditions, but I wanted one real bad and a dealer had just got a small batch in stock and I jumped on it immediately. Lucky thing I did it then because they were sold out by the time we got to Dallas.

One thing this thread has illustrated, warts and all, is that just about everyone here is passionate about their Spyderco knives and it is not surprising that it has generated some passionate responses. I love me some spydercos. They are the only blades that go into my pocket. I bought my first one a year ago and should be receiving my 9th one this week. I really really hope to be adding the forum knife to the list in a couple of months.

[gbelleh]

It's ironic that a knife, created as a goodwill gesture to the members of this forum, is somehow bringing out less than goodwill from many. To the point that what the knife represents has now been tainted for some.

I will still try to buy one and use it with pride. There is still much more goodwill here than this thread has unfortunately indicated.

Once again, Thank You Spyderco for going to the trouble of offering this special knife to us.

[jtoler_9]

]Relax "hall monitor"?

Just stop.

I wasn't talking to you. Even still, your advice is sound. Will do.

[ricechrispy]

This thread is degrading quickly. Exponentially from an epic announcement to a cacophony of rubbish. A stickied thread? Really?? Grow up. :mad:

It might be a good time (for everyone) to check egos at the door and take a breather. That's generally how this place operates when we aren't fighting over a new toy. If people can't do that they shouldn't be here. There are plenty of forums to ruin; pick another one.

Note: there is an ignore feature in your personal options. If you notice that someone never says anything productive its worth using.

Yes, thank you! I love that you always have something reasoned and sensible to say, Blake. One effect of this form of communication is anonymity and the rashness that comes with it. However, written communication is also not as time-sensitive as spoken communication. You can calm down and then respond later rather than reacting in the heat of the moment.

[Minibear453]

Look, I'm sure most people here want one so bad we're becoming those stampeding crowds at Walmart on Black Friday. And I'm pretty sure we all want the same thing- one of those knives, and also to prevent any lousy reseller from buying them. Because this knife is for Spyderco's fans, and not people who want to make money. Unfortunately, resellers will probably get in, and there's nothing you can do. And I don't believe anyone here (except Sal and Co.), has the right to tell Spyderco how the knives should be distributed. It's probably a pain in the butt for Spyderco to give us this present, and now that it's here some people are already all hurt and fighting over who gets to open the present (that's a metaphor). Shouldn't we be thanking Spyderco for taking time out of their schedule and making this knife for us? For giving us a special forum knife, at such a great price?

Okay, off of my tree stump now. Never had a S110V blade... best steel I've ever had was VG10 and S30V, so to say I'm excited is an understatement. Except I'll probably have to sell some things to buy it.. but for me, this is definitely a knife I can't pass up. Am I afraid I won't get one? Yup. Then I'll probably need to buy $150 worth of tissues. :D This may be hard.. but can anyone explain the difference between S30V and S110V in practice?

[Fresh Eddie Fresh]

It's ironic that a knife, created as a goodwill gesture to the members of this forum, is somehow bringing out less than goodwill from many. To the point that what the knife represents has now been tainted for some.

I will still try to buy one and use it with pride. There is still much more goodwill here than this thread has unfortunately indicated.

Once again, Thank You Spyderco for going to the trouble of offering this special knife to us.

+1 I lurked here for a while before joining, and everyone seemed so nice to each other.

I will probably not pick up one of these, unless for some reason there are extra...

[Ankerson]

but can anyone explain the difference between S30V and S110V in practice?

S110V doesn't develop that working edge as fast as S30V does as in it holds a very fine edge for a VERY long time, then once that working edge develops it holds that for an extremely long time.

It's a lot different than the other SXXX steels due to the alloy content.

For those who like an aggressive toothy edge S110V is extremely aggressive.

[TazKristi]

Wow... this was supposed to come as long awaited good news.

Let me make this clear; the only people who make the rules about purchasing a forum knife are those of us who represent Spyderco. The details in my original post DO NOT mention post count, join date, etc. We are aware that there are many people who read our forum regularly but choose not to post. There are even people who read our forum regularly who have chosen not to join. It is not by accident that you don't have to join or be logged in to read every post that exists on this forum. That is by design. Spyderco has always been and always will be a fair, proper, honest and transparent company. This includes our forum.

Everyone is welcome to their own opinion of what we should or should not do but please be careful about how you choose to share that opinion.

We value ALL of you. We value your opinion and your desire to learn more about Spyderco. Whether you post or not, whether you join or not, the mere fact that you come here to learn more about Spyderco is enough for us to appreciate you.

Kristi

[JNewell]

It's ironic that a knife, created as a goodwill gesture to the members of this forum, is somehow bringing out less than goodwill from many. To the point that what the knife represents has now been tainted for some.

I will still try to buy one and use it with pride. There is still much more goodwill here than this thread has unfortunately indicated.

Once again, Thank You Spyderco for going to the trouble of offering this special knife to us.

Absolutely agree - unfortunately this happened with the last forum knife.

Sad? Really? Spyderco personnel read this forum and contribute to it. Sal sees the forum knife as a "thank you" for the benefit Spyderco gets from our feedback. Since you are not an active participant the knife is not intended for you. You may certainly buy one and I won't complain, but get a grip, man.

edit - I'll tell you what burns me about macatac's post. When I joined the forum over five years ago I asked a lot of questions. Many of the people that patiently helped me learn are still here helping newbies and those of us that still don't know as much as they do. I'd hate it if one of them missed out on this. Now this @#%$ comes in here and doesn't just think he has every right buy a knife that was not intended for him, but NO, he's AGGRIEVED that anyone would even think for a second that they have more of a right to the knife than he does. That's what pressed my button: his misguided sense of moral outrage.

This really highlights my concern about forum members trying to second-guess Spyderco's stated "eligibility criteria" for this knife. This thread really needs to get back to shiny footprints. :spyder:

[CarbonFiberNut]

We value ALL of you. We value your opinion and your desire to learn more about Spyderco. Whether you post or not, whether you join or not, the mere fact that you come here to learn more about Spyderco is enough for us to appreciate you.

And we appreciate both Spyderco's kindness and its continuing dedication to awesome products and awesome interactions with the customers. I'll admit that, as a new guy (new to posting, at least), some of the old-timers have made me feel like a second class citizen around here in the last few days, but every time I visited the factory store in Golden, or asked a question via email or on bladeforums, the people directly involved with Spyderco have made me feel like a million bucks. Couple that with the awesome product, and there's a reason I've been a Spyderco loyalist for a decade and a half. Thanks for chiming in to bring some rationality back to the discussion, it was greatly appreciated.

[Sir Ringo]

Thanks Taz
Your response and Spyderco are first class all the way.

[kbuzbee]

Good post Taz... Now, time for more coffee Mmmmm.... Kauai Coffee's latest, Rooster Alarm. Sounds silly, but it's delicious. Be back soon,

Ken

[bh49]

Wow... this was supposed to come as long awaited good news.
Kristi

Kristi,
It is a great news.
And we appreciate your and Spyderco crew efforts to make this happen.
Roman

[The Deacon]

Definitely good news to me as well. I've said all along that I'd be on board for a Spyderco Forum knife, regardless of model and materials, so I'll most certainly be watching the forum regularly and ordering this Native when it becomes available. Much thanks to Spyderco, and to Eric and Kristi in particular, for making it happen. FWIW, it was a Forum knife, the 2003 blue FRN Native III to be exact, that brought me here ten years ago.

As for all the rest. IMHO, no distribution system will ever be 100% fair and equitable. Some may be harder to "game" than others, but there will always be those who get pleasure out of devising ways to cheat. IMHO, the system Spyderco is using for this knife strikes a fair balance between minimizing bulk purchases and being a logisitical nightmare and/or financial disaster for Spyderco. That's the best anyone can reasonably ask for.

[Fancier]

Sorry that I didn't wade through the past several pages of bickering. Hopefully I'm not repeating (or contradicting) what somebody else said.
The Crucible data sheet for S110V emphasizes the high corrosion resistance at HRC 60 using their heat treat conditions.
The wear resistance on the data sheet isn't measured by CATRA, but they use a mass loss unit that doesn't seem to be equivalent to wear for a knife application.
They do mention a significantly higher carbide volume than S90V, so it seems that at equivalent hardness there ought to be an abrasion resistance improvement with S110V.
Their main goal seems to have been to develop a steel with more corrosion resistance than S90V.

[91a2jettavr6]

Wow! I'm new here, but am certainly not new to knives or forums in general. I must admit that this thread has been very entertaining...and, at the same time, parts have been quite sad. This all ultimately, at the end of the day, centers around a freaking knife. Blows my mind. Steel, composite, etc. Just stuff. Are those who get so caught up in this the same people who wait in line for hours to acquire a newly-launched game console before their neighbor does or who drive an extra 12 miles, one way, to save $.06/gallon? No wonder so much more anger and rage and rudeness exists now, on a daily basis, than in our past. People sweating the small stuff BIG TIME and having a need to be "right". Much love, newbie.

[macatac]

Sad? Really? Spyderco personnel read this forum and contribute to it. Sal sees the forum knife as a "thank you" for the benefit Spyderco gets from our feedback. Since you are not an active participant the knife is not intended for you. You may certainly buy one and I won't complain, but get a grip, man.

edit - I'll tell you what burns me about macatac's post. When I joined the forum over five years ago I asked a lot of questions. Many of the people that patiently helped me learn are still here helping newbies and those of us that still don't know as much as they do. I'd hate it if one of them missed out on this. Now this @#%$ comes in here and doesn't just think he has every right buy a knife that was not intended for him, but NO, he's AGGRIEVED that anyone would even think for a second that they have more of a right to the knife than he does. That's what pressed my button: his misguided sense of moral outrage.

I was not going to respond, but since I need to start contributing, and boost my post count, I think I will. I am still trying to figure out how "interesting" and "sad" translate to "misguided sense of moral outrage," but I will just let that go.

First of all, I have been reading and learning about knives, steels, design, etc on this site for almost 2 years now. I don't ask questions, because most of the time the answers can be found by using the search button, which most folks appreciate.

Second, since I am still learning, don't feel I have a lot to add to many of the conversations here. Sure, I could say "x" is a great knife, but what does that add to the conversation. Once a guy asked about a sheath for his mule, which I could help with by posting pics, so I did. My Elmax mule did help butcher 4 deer without a touch-up, but that was for another time. Now, if someone asks about archery, I could fill up pages, as I have worked in the industry, as well as actively participate in the sport. I understand a lot about the mechanics of archery and I like to share that understanding.

Which brings me to my next point. Unlike many folks on the web, I don't give an opinion unless I can intelligently speak from experience.

Finally, unless I misunderstood the intent, it was for any members, not certain ones. According to Kristi, I don't need a minimum post count or duration of membership. I just need to be a member and enjoy the fantastic knives made by Spyderco. I own several Spyderco knives, and plan on owning many more,maybe even a forum knife.

Have a great night,
macatac

[JudasD]

Definitely good news to me as well. I've said all along that I'd be on board for a Spyderco Forum knife, regardless of model and materials, so I'll most certainly be watching the forum regularly and ordering this Native when it becomes available. Much thanks to Spyderco, and to Eric and Kristi in particular, for making it happen. FWIW, it was a Forum knife, the 2003 blue FRN Native III to be exact, that brought me here ten years ago.

As for all the rest. IMHO, no distribution system will ever be 100% fair and equitable. Some may be harder to "game" than others, but there will always be those who get pleasure out of devising ways to cheat. IMHO, the system Spyderco is using for this knife strikes a fair balance between minimizing bulk purchases and being a logisitical nightmare and/or financial disaster for Spyderco. That's the best anyone can reasonably ask for.

Agree 100%. It would be to difficult for Spyderco to try and devise a way to only sell to certain folks. The best thing to do is that if you happen to not get one then do not fall for a high price on ebay.
Since the regular production CF version will be out there is a chance that this "forum" version will only hold meaning to those of us on the forum. The general public probably wont spend extra money for a G10 version with some writing on it when there is a CF version readily available.

I will only be ordering 1 of these forum knives. I'm not the kind of person that keeps one pristine and uses another. If i happen to get one then great, if i don't, oops sucks to be me.

JD

[kbuzbee]

Just stuff. Are those who get so caught up in this the same people who wait in line for hours to acquire a newly-launched game console before their neighbor does

Just to set the context, your analogy needs one tweek. They are only making 500 of these consoles. Many will be bought by someone willing to sell you theirs at 5x what they paid.

I'm not weighing in on the issue, just offering as to why "some" folks may be a little testy about it.

Ken

[kbuzbee]

The general public probably wont spend extra money for a G10 version with some writing on it when there is a CF version readily available.

That is a really great point. Well thought out.

Me, I hope to have both. A forum model and a CF. Should be a sweet knife in either format.

Ken