So now we're arguing about semantics. Really? Why can't we all just get along? :)
To me, the current Chinese lineup is pretty great. People can get introduced to Spyderco for a fair price, and the Tenacious family are great 'beaters'. I can think of a few situations where I really wouldn't want to 'abuse' (or even take) my S90V Military, because I wouldn't want to damage or lose it. Losing or heavily beating up a Persistence would be less of a big deal, and I would happily buy one for that purpose.
So, as long as Sal and co try their best to make sure the Chinese workers are treated well, and the quality is good, I guess there's nothing wrong with having knives made in China, as there is certainly a market for such knives.
Whether or not Spyderco is to expand the Chinese lineup, is up to the Spyderco crew. But if there's one thing I'm sure they don't want, it's forumites arguing over semantics.
Who wants more Chinese-made Spydies? I know I do.
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Yes can't we all get along?
But you certainly have to understand the plight of Americans for wanting to keep jobs here to support the local economy whether it be knives or anything else for that matter, as our economy has been smashed to smithereens and need a microscope to find 'made in USA' on anything. I'm sure most people would feel the same if their country was the industrial powerhouse not too long ago.
But not too long ago Ross Perot warned that outsourcing everything would be the death blow to the US economy.
My point is this: you can certainly understand why Americans are passionate about this topic.
But you certainly have to understand the plight of Americans for wanting to keep jobs here to support the local economy whether it be knives or anything else for that matter, as our economy has been smashed to smithereens and need a microscope to find 'made in USA' on anything. I'm sure most people would feel the same if their country was the industrial powerhouse not too long ago.
But not too long ago Ross Perot warned that outsourcing everything would be the death blow to the US economy.
My point is this: you can certainly understand why Americans are passionate about this topic.
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jzmtl wrote:Passionate is one thing, throwing around insults and lies is another, unfortunately many people lack the self control/respect to stay with the former.
Couldn't agree with you more. I spend the bulk of my time overseas and I've met my share of people from other countries that bash and clown Americans.
The fact is that Chinese spyderco knives do more to bring in new buyers than dissuade high-end shoppers. Nobody's buys a Resilience and says "Whew! I almost bought a Ti Mili!!"
If China didn't make them they wouldn't be made (likely). If the F&F on a Tenacious was terrific and it had S30v would you pay $90 for it? That's a 300% price increase for a 30% (speculation) performance increase.
I understand that we feel injured when people give our jobs away but those jobs don't always exist in our situations. Americans have found ways to use foreign labor and while keeping other jobs available state-side. In other industries playing QC for outsourced products is a frustrating job but it may allow companies to stay in business that normally wouldn't.
My only point is this world is about 90% gray and the rest is black and white. Blanket philosophy works for certain moral issues (eg: murder = bad) but the rest hasto be weighed contextually.
I have heard MANY people buy knives from the Tenacious family an then immediately shop for a Native or Para due to how impressed they were. If you treat the plants like partners instead of competition it's not the cannibalistic relationship.
If China didn't make them they wouldn't be made (likely). If the F&F on a Tenacious was terrific and it had S30v would you pay $90 for it? That's a 300% price increase for a 30% (speculation) performance increase.
I understand that we feel injured when people give our jobs away but those jobs don't always exist in our situations. Americans have found ways to use foreign labor and while keeping other jobs available state-side. In other industries playing QC for outsourced products is a frustrating job but it may allow companies to stay in business that normally wouldn't.
My only point is this world is about 90% gray and the rest is black and white. Blanket philosophy works for certain moral issues (eg: murder = bad) but the rest hasto be weighed contextually.
I have heard MANY people buy knives from the Tenacious family an then immediately shop for a Native or Para due to how impressed they were. If you treat the plants like partners instead of competition it's not the cannibalistic relationship.
+1jzmtl wrote:Passionate is one thing, throwing around insults and lies is another, unfortunately many people lack the self control/respect to stay with the former.
I am avoiding to buy anything made in People's Republic of China as much as I can. Still I have a lot of respect to Chinese people, their history, culture, and art, just do not care much about their current government.
Also I do not see anything wrong if in buying decisions I give priority to friend and neighbors.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf"
My top choices Natives5, Calys, C83 Persian
My top choices Natives5, Calys, C83 Persian