Crazy ordeal buying a spyderco from a YouTube celebrity

[Woodpuppy]

Yeah that’s pretty sorry.

I have found a small handful of talented craftsmen or interesting personalities on IG & YT, but the vast majority is just noise.

[Naperville]

Ooooooph!

I do not follow anyone that closely in the knife community. I check in on Cedric & Ada for steel reviews every now and then. It's easy to catch up a couple of months after videos have been posted. On and off I follow a few YouTube portals for martial arts and prepping and it's enough.

[KnifusMaximus]

I wonder why he has the youtube video comments disabled.....

[ZrowsN1s]

Thankfully the knife police aka Steve is on the case. People are getting the message this guy has been pulling this stuff for years. And his excuses and apologies are hollow.

As I told Steve, it's bad enough that the knife community has random scammers that come through and jack peoples knives without paying, or take payment without delivering the goods. But to have a well known member who has a large following and sponsors pull this stuff needs to be called out.

[JuPaul]

I'm happy to be out of the loop on this one.

In the future, if making p2p transactions, use PayPal G&S rather than F&F, Venmo, or the Cash app.

In the event of fraud, they'll cover it.

Unfortunately, paypal g&s is no longer covering knives. New policy, apparently. Very, very lame.

[on_the_edge]

I'm happy to be out of the loop on this one.

In the future, if making p2p transactions, use PayPal G&S rather than F&F, Venmo, or the Cash app.

In the event of fraud, they'll cover it.

Unfortunately, paypal g&s is no longer covering knives. New policy, apparently. Very, very lame.

Source please.

[JuPaul]

I'm happy to be out of the loop on this one.

In the future, if making p2p transactions, use PayPal G&S rather than F&F, Venmo, or the Cash app.

In the event of fraud, they'll cover it.

Unfortunately, paypal g&s is no longer covering knives. New policy, apparently. Very, very lame.

Source please.

The Admins of the Chris Reeve facebook pages just made an announcement about it. I looked into it more and it appears it's actually been this way for a while. They don't cover sales of "weapons," which they say includes all knives.

[Naperville]

The Admins of the Chris Reeve facebook pages just made an announcement about it. I looked into it more and it appears it's actually been this way for a while. They don't cover sales of "weapons," which they say includes all knives.

That's too bad. Knives are no more weapons than pens, screwdrivers and boots.

[Danke]

YouTube; not a place for smart people.

[kennethsime]

I'm happy to be out of the loop on this one.

In the future, if making p2p transactions, use PayPal G&S rather than F&F, Venmo, or the Cash app.

In the event of fraud, they'll cover it.

Unfortunately, paypal g&s is no longer covering knives. New policy, apparently. Very, very lame.

Source please.

The Admins of the Chris Reeve facebook pages just made an announcement about it. I looked into it more and it appears it's actually been this way for a while. They don't cover sales of "weapons," which they say includes all knives.

Well, that definitely sucks. I wonder if there's another safer form of payment for BST groups. Hmm...

[aaronkb]

I don’t know if I can post anything about this , but maybe someone else had a problem
We purchased a XHP chappral from slicey Dicey’s YouTube , then got ghosted, no response to emails, ect , erased pleas In comments section, then he posted up a massive apology to all his
Viewers, knife companies who sent him knives for testing and review , I hope no one else has had this problem

Please remove if it’s inappropriate

This has been a huge scandal that recently erupted, there are many in your position. Slicey has said he’s going to try to get ahold of everyone to make it right, but reach out to him again in a couple days if you haven’t heard anything. I’m hoping he’s serious about fixing this.

I hope you can square things up with him. Everybody makes mistakes. If he owns up to it and makes things right then great. I believe in forgiveness.

Agreed. I’m real big on forgiveness and I think that sentiment has been missing in the general discussion around this debacle. As you said, contingent on him taking responsibility and making it right. I know it’s not your style to make a video about this but I do think you could add a lot (some necessary humanity) to the discussion. What Steve’s doing is important, I’d just like to see somebody with a platform balance him out with a bit of mercy.

[Sumdumguy]

While adding this guy to my "scammer book", I found that he has a knife auction site, also.

The sketch grows...

Although, I'm not as surprised after learning that it is listed as being located in Chattanooga.
Those people are already questionable.

[aicolainen]

hmm, that’s just sad.

I’m also in the camp that just seek out videos of specific knives I’m interested in, and even when I am, I usually seek out reviewers where I identify more with their own use and take on knives in general. That’s not to say I haven’t watched a fair bit of SD. Getting knives to where I live is often a struggle, as well as expensive and international returns are just more of the same, so I want to cover as many aspects of a knife as possible before deciding to buy, and that sometimes even makes SDs videos worth while. And it’s often not even about what they say, their opinions or their conclusions, but more about how they film it, the angles, what they choose to compare against and so on.

Anyways, I haven’t watched a SD video in ages, neither one from anyone else involved, so this came as a surprise.
Watched a few just now, to see what’s it all about and try to make sense of it, rounding it off on SDs channel, to se what he has to say about it himself.
Apparently there has been a previous attempt from him to address these accusations, but at least in the video he has out now, it seems like he’s throwing in the towel.
I don’t think we’ll be seeing more from him, as far as knife content goes. Let’s just hope he keeps his promise of making things right with those who’s trust he has taken advantage off.

Side note. Anyone who deny the concept of a YouTube celebrity is living in the past. It doesn’t apply to SD, even if he might have thought so himself. It doesn’t even apply to the vast majority of YouTubers, but that’s because of the practically unlimited bandwidth and almost non existent filtering. The relatively few individuals that are able to pass through the pin hole and become celebrities born out of the legacy media channels neither have more followers, more views or more credibility than leading YT channels. For average numbers there is simply no contest, but with very few exceptions there is a similar pattern when you filter by content type, i.e. the numbers can’t be explained simply by pointing out that there’s a gazillion cat movies on the tube

[Michael Janich]

Except he is the editor of Knife Illustrated magazine...so he has a job outside of the Youtube gig, as do many "youtube celebrities".

Was... I believe he only edited one or two issues, which is also telling...

Stay safe,

Mike

[Wartstein]

I don´t have and never had a TV set, have never been on instagram, facebook..., don´t have netflix / amazon prime... and this forum is the only one I am active on.

So, being "oldschool", like others perhaps have the TV running, I sometimes watch youtube-vids (by far not only knife vids though) in the background when doing other stuff (sorting gear, pull ups...) or having a coffee.

Slcey Dicey was one guy I watched occasionally, I never saw him as an "reviewer" at all but as a guy who just shows knives.
This he did ok, what I liked were the (size-) comparisons on his "inch-pad": Nice for one who does not have any Spyderco brick and mortar stores to go to and can´t really see models in real life.

/ Now (on topic )
Like Darby I am really for forgiveness, and I actually would forgive Slicey if I was impacted. Almost always a good way to handle things and to keep ones piece of mind.

But:
I actually now watched the one apology vid Slicey still has on his channel. And I watched the two Super Steel vids on this topic.
Believe it or not: Not as a spectator who´d "enjoy" such things, but watching these vids atually says a lot about the knife community in a "psychological" or perhaps even more "sociological" way.
Actually it is an indicator for how honest and good this community actually IS in general. (This absolutely matches my own experience. I never, ever had any problems with "real knife people" when selling, buying, exchanging... something. It was always an almost overly honest, helpful and not egoistic experience).

Steve chooses pretty harsh words but this is ok with me in this case. If it is true what he lays out, that Slicey has done (and I strongly tend to believe after watching the vids): I say there is a difference between forgiveness (always a good thing) and calling out such behavior.

And if it is what it seems, this absolutely has to be called out imho.

If one does such things, they have to own it. But if they really try to make it right again, at one point the "case should be closed".
We all are not perfect.

Just my 2c, but that´s how I honestly see it

[James Y]

There are only a few YouTube channels that I follow, but none of them are knife-related. And I don’t pay anything to them.

If there were a hard-to-find version of a knife I was interested in, I would only buy it if it were available at a trusted dealer, not from a private seller. Otherwise, I wouldn’t bother with the knife. I know there are good people out there, but personally, I don’t like taking chances with my money, if I can avoid it.

Jim

[Hopsbreath]

While adding this guy to my "scammer book", I found that he has a knife auction site, also.

The sketch grows...

Although, I'm not as surprised after learning that it is listed as being located in Chattanooga.
Those people are already questionable.

Hey!.. Alright, us Chattanoogans come by our stereotypes for a reason I suppose.

On another note, I’ve bought a knife from a different well known youtuber before. Easily one of my worst interactions to date. I’ve been burned enough, pretty sure I’m done with the secondary market at this point. Three different knives have had horrendously mistreated pivots that should’ve never been mucked with. A bad edge I can fix. A stripped pivot screw? Not so much.

[TomAiello]

I'm happy to be out of the loop on this one.

In the future, if making p2p transactions, use PayPal G&S rather than F&F, Venmo, or the Cash app.

In the event of fraud, they'll cover it.

Unfortunately, paypal g&s is no longer covering knives. New policy, apparently. Very, very lame.

Source please.

Julia is definitely correct.

Thread with more discussion here: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/pay ... m.1647971/

I know that several of my favorite online retailers had to stop taking Paypal (example: https://riversedgecutlery.com/shipping-returns/).

[Wartstein]

There are only a few YouTube channels that I follow, but none of them are knife-related. And I don’t pay anything to them.

If there were a hard-to-find version of a knife I was interested in, I would only buy it if it were available at a trusted dealer, not from a private party. Otherwise, I wouldn’t bother with the knife. I know there are good people out there, but personally, I don’t like taking chances with my money, if I can avoid it.

Jim

Jim, this is just my experience:

If buying a knife used (which I admittedly do not too often), I most times exchange two or several emails with the seller - such conversations happen almost automatically, if the seller is a knife person like I am myself.
And, if he / she turns out to be a "knife person": I never, ever had bad experiences in the slightest. In my experience the knife community is a rather good one. It seems like folks who share the love and fascination for knives are most times very honest and trustworthy to each other.

[Wartstein]

Double post