Donut wrote:In my opinion, not having to spend a few seconds switching knives makes a much better experience. A lot of times I do carry both edge types and I love my full SE models, but the nice PE section at the end of my Native makes me love it. When I'm carrying both, it's nice to be able to choose before I start cutting, but when I change my mind... it would be nicer to have that PE section.
I was thinking about what other people said and what I said... I don't think the Dodo would be able to have 1/2" of plain edge at the end, it would leave the hawkbill section plain edge. Maybe that's the model that needs to have the hawk serrated and the belly plain edge.
I'm in total agreement with you on the 1/2 to 3/4s of an inch of plain edge being a great feature>> because the 440V SE Native I brag so much about has about 3/4ths of an inch of plain edge and it has saved me from carrying two knives on many occasions. And sometimes that's really all of the plain edge you need in many cutting jobs to get you by.
You're also right about the serrated Dodo ( if they ever bring it back) there is no way you can have a plain edged tip on that model and have the advantages that model provides with a fully serrated blade. You might be able to get away with it on the smaller Matriarch model with a serrated edge because you have a completely different cutting edged surface.
The C-111 Captain would be so much more useful in Spyderedge because you basically have another variant of Hawkbill when you get right down to it. It's just so baffling to me that they didn't offer it in SE from the get-go :confused: Now I do still like the idea of keeping that rounded, pendulum end of the Captain's blade in PE because that would make it a Hawkbill with massive advantages for all types of cutting chores. Yeah I'm with you there all the way Donut.
Now I'm not so sure about serrations on this Kiwi. I think the knife would rock with some teeth, but the blade is quite short in height and quite thin at the edge, and it looks like serrations may go high enough to almost hit the thumb hole. I may send it off to Wiley Knives and let them look at it and see what they think. I think the world needs more SE wharnies :D
SpyderNut wrote:I agree wholeheartedly, JD. Just last weekend, I used my little SE Ladybug to cut through some wet 5/8" nylon rope for our boat. I had to cut several pieces and the Ladybug was the only thing I had on me. My father-in-law handed me a S&W knife with a CE blade, but it was so unfortunately dull it quite literally bounced off of the rope vs. cutting it. The next day, I used the same little LB knife to open about a dozen plastic clam-shell packages at work. A few co-workers laughed at my "little knife" at first, but they soon stopped laughing after seeing that little SE blade slice through that plastic!
Back to the topic at hand, I would love to see more models offered in full SE. I mean that, too. I love my PE blades, don't get me wrong, but SE is my go-to mainstay when the chips are down. What would I like to see? Heck, show me the knife in SE and I'll probably like it. I still think a Dyad in H1 would be sweet. And yes, a rebirth of the Catcherman in CE or full SE would be absolutely amazing. Good post, JD.
Spydernut as I have re-read these really good posts on this thread I find that yours especially stresses the point that the models we ask for on this thread are indeed ones we will use and very much need for our daily cutting chores. Hopefully just like SURFINGRINGO has taken the baton for the serrated H-1 Salt Series I want to take the baton on the much needed "USER" Spyderedged modelsd in the carbon based steel that we sincerely hope for and need. I do think that SURF by himself has really catapulted much deserved attention for some awesome cutting tools that we have already available in the H-1 Salt Series. I'm extremely optimistic after talking to three guys now who all own the TUSK model which is made of that other nitrogen based blade steel LC200N that we will indeed see a rising demand for that model especially to be offered up in Spyderedge.
I also think that bringing back the C-111 Captain model with the Spyderedge on the "inner arch" part of the blade would make that knife at least three times more useful. Because everytime I EDC my user Captain model I think everytime I use it how much more of a cutting tool it would be with the inner arch Spyderedged. I do want the pendulum/rounded end to remain PE because it's great design for starting a lot of cuts.
And all HAWKBILLS absolutely should be available in Spyderedge just because the nature of the blade and it being used mostly for pull cutting. But I'm not stopping there because there are quite a few models that would be better blades if offered up in Spyderedge. Great Posts everybody but I want to hear more.
You know what? I picked up my Native 5 Lightweight SE this Saturday... and this is the only Serrated Native model I've ever seen without the 1/2" plain edge near the tip!
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SpyderNut wrote:I agree wholeheartedly, JD. Just last weekend, I used my little SE Ladybug to cut through some wet 5/8" nylon rope for our boat. I had to cut several pieces and the Ladybug was the only thing I had on me. My father-in-law handed me a S&W knife with a CE blade, but it was so unfortunately dull it quite literally bounced off of the rope vs. cutting it. The next day, I used the same little LB knife to open about a dozen plastic clam-shell packages at work. A few co-workers laughed at my "little knife" at first, but they soon stopped laughing after seeing that little SE blade slice through that plastic!
Back to the topic at hand, I would love to see more models offered in full SE. I mean that, too. I love my PE blades, don't get me wrong, but SE is my go-to mainstay when the chips are down. What would I like to see? Heck, show me the knife in SE and I'll probably like it. I still think a Dyad in H1 would be sweet. And yes, a rebirth of the Catcherman in CE or full SE would be absolutely amazing. Good post, JD.
Spydernut as I have re-read these really good posts on this thread I find that yours especially stresses the point that the models we ask for on this thread are indeed ones we will use and very much need for our daily cutting chores. Hopefully just like SURFINGRINGO has taken the baton for the serrated H-1 Salt Series I want to take the baton on the much needed "USER" Spyderedged modelsd in the carbon based steel that we sincerely hope for and need. I do think that SURF by himself has really catapulted much deserved attention for some awesome cutting tools that we have already available in the H-1 Salt Series. I'm extremely optimistic after talking to three guys now who all own the TUSK model which is made of that other nitrogen based blade steel LC200N that we will indeed see a rising demand for that model especially to be offered up in Spyderedge.
I also think that bringing back the C-111 Captain model with the Spyderedge on the "inner arch" part of the blade would make that knife at least three times more useful. Because everytime I EDC my user Captain model I think everytime I use it how much more of a cutting tool it would be with the inner arch Spyderedged. I do want the pendulum/rounded end to remain PE because it's great design for starting a lot of cuts.
And all HAWKBILLS absolutely should be available in Spyderedge just because the nature of the blade and it being used mostly for pull cutting. But I'm not stopping there because there are quite a few models that would be better blades if offered up in Spyderedge. Great Posts everybody but I want to hear more.
Hey JD, have you been watching the Swick thread over on Bladeforums? Sal came on there and said he was thinking to make a prototype Swick out of lc200n. He also mentioned he was thinking to make it in both plain edge and serrated edge. How bout them taters?
Donut wrote:You know what? I picked up my Native 5 Lightweight SE this Saturday... and this is the only Serrated Native model I've ever seen without the 1/2" plain edge near the tip!
Lance's cries have gone unheard. Well, either that or someone doesn't like Lance. :)
haha. :D I think since they are also offering it in a combo edge it seemed appropriate to make the serrated edge model more fully serrated. I did kind of like the old model which was sort of a hybrid between a ce and fully serrated, but I'm happy with the current options! If I pick one up I will probably go with the ce.
SpyderNut wrote:I agree wholeheartedly, JD. Just last weekend, I used my little SE Ladybug to cut through some wet 5/8" nylon rope for our boat.
Back to the topic at hand, I would love to see more models offered in full SE. I mean that, too. I love my PE blades, don't get me wrong, but SE is my go-to mainstay when the chips are down. What would I like to see? Heck, show me the knife in SE and I'll probably like it. I still think a Dyad in H1 would be sweet. And yes, a rebirth of the Catcherman in CE or full SE would be absolutely amazing. Good post, JD.
I also think that bringing back the C-111 Captain model with the Spyderedge on the "inner arch" part of the blade would make that knife at least three times more useful. Because everytime I EDC my user Captain model I think everytime I use it how much more of a cutting tool it would be with the inner arch Spyderedged. I do want the pendulum/rounded end to remain PE because it's great design for starting a lot of cuts.
And all HAWKBILLS absolutely should be available in Spyderedge just because the nature of the blade and it being used mostly for pull cutting. But I'm not stopping there because there are quite a few models that would be better blades if offered up in Spyderedge. Great Posts everybody but I want to hear more.
Hey JD, have you been watching the Swick thread over on Bladeforums? Sal came on there and said he was thinking to make a prototype Swick out of lc200n. He also mentioned he was thinking to make it in both plain edge and serrated edge. How bout them taters?
Well SURF that's just the kind of response I've been patiently waiting for and I got to give you a ton of credit because I truly believe that BLADE magazine article you did on the H-1 blades I'm certain has bolstered if not catapulted the overall interest in Spyderedged blades. When they saw the pragmatic uses you displayed I don't see how anyone could come away not wanting a Spyderedged H-1 blade
I know in my gut that the TUSK and CAPTAIN models both would be at least threefold more useful with a Spyderedge especially around marine, salt water and just fishing jobs in general. To me the CAPTAIN if the inner arch were serrated it would be like a Hawkbill on anabolic steroids :eek:
And the TUSK I can even imagine dozens of cutting jobs that would be better served if that knife were to be offered up in Spyderedge. I was actually mildly shocked when it hit the main line up and wasn't offered in Spyderedge. But maybe we've got the tide turning in our direction finally :cool:
Hey SURF would you have any use for a NATIVE model in H-1 or LC200N? The reason I'm asking is because the SE Native has been like a pitbull folder for me and I'm wondering if one of those would fit in the H-1 Salt Series?
It also has me wondering if the old D'Allara model were to be made into a Sprint Run in one of those rust proof steels if it would have any practical uses? Because these pitbull folders as I like to call them are extremely rugged and can take hard work and if you made them salt water proof I think it would be a win-win for Spyderco.
Another question I've been meaning to ask you and others here who are around lakes, rivers and oceans>> do you use a lanyard? Because it would be extremely heart breaking to me for my favorite Spyder to go overboard :eek:
JD Spydo wrote:Hey SURF would you have any use for a NATIVE model in H-1 or LC200N? The reason I'm asking is because the SE Native has been like a pitbull folder for me and I'm wondering if one of those would fit in the H-1 Salt Series?
It also has me wondering if the old D'Allara model were to be made into a Sprint Run in one of those rust proof steels if it would have any practical uses? Because these pitbull folders as I like to call them are extremely rugged and can take hard work and if you made them salt water proof I think it would be a win-win for Spyderco.
Another question I've been meaning to ask you and others here who are around lakes, rivers and oceans>> do you use a lanyard? Because it would be extremely heart breaking to me for my favorite Spyder to go overboard :eek:
Though the Native model might sell well in a "salt" version, it wouldn't be at the top of my list. The knife I would like to see "salted" more than any other model is the Military! Can you imagine? Big yellow Millie with lc200n?? Of course offered in both pe and se. :D
As far as dropping knives in the ocean? Ahem, yeah, I've left two salts on the bottom of the sea. One was an accident and one was just a completely bafflingly dumb move on my part. I don't use lanyards because they get in the way on a small kayak. I just try to be extra careful now. It has been over a year since I've done anything dumb. I mean anything dumb with a knife on a kayak. It hasn't even been an hour since I've done something dumb in general! :rolleyes:
Well SURF there are many, many more than yourself who want to see the C-36 Military model in H-1 and Spyderedge both. Which baffles me to wonder why Spyderco is spinning their wheels on that one. I would love a C-36 Military model with H-1 or the new LC200N with either of the following nuclear colors i.e. Yellow, Orange, Green or even a bright white G-10 handle. I think it would certain give class to the Salt Series because the Military model would truly be a win-win for Spyderco and the end line users both.
With all you do with Salt Knives I bet that Military in the Salt Series would end up being your "GO-TO" blade in short order. I still haven't given up on lobbying Spyderco for getting certain models serrated on a special order basis if nothing else. But being common knowledge that H-1 serrations are among their top performing it just seems like a marketing no-brainer to me and I'm sure there are a few others that agree.
Just look at how many people want the Military to be available in Spyderedge even with the conventional carbon based supersteels. There are two I would like to add that I think the first runs were excelllent serrated Spyders and one being the C-54 big Calypso model and the other being the Spyderedged JD Smith model>> and it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they would introduce them to the Salt Series>> as well as my dearly beloved AYOOB C-60 model. But the TUSK and C-111 Captain are both at the very top of my list for knives to be available in Spyderedge.
As far as the Military, I think you're wasting your breath asking for H1. There are numerous obstacles on that road: different maker, different country, different grind, possible redesign/materials change on the lock and other parts. Yea, not gonna do it...
Now I think lc200n is a totally different story. Not being a work hardening steel this one can be done in FFG, and is available to keep the manufacturing in golden. I'm personally pretty excited to try some of the possible designs that have been mentioned in this steel and would be all for a millie.
tvenuto wrote:As far as the Military, I think you're wasting your breath asking for H1. There are numerous obstacles on that road: different maker, different country, different grind, possible redesign/materials change on the lock and other parts. Yea, not gonna do it...
You mean other than the fact that the Autonomy is USA made and uses H1?
I think the Titanium Military would be a good candidate.
The FFG is the only real obstacle I see.
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Donut wrote:You mean other than the fact that the Autonomy is USA made and uses H1?
I think the Titanium Military would be a good candidate.
The FFG is the only real obstacle I see.
Haha I'm aware of the freaking autonomy, so yes, other than that one example. I was under the impression that a special exception was made in that case, and it is still not common practice to export the steel in raw form. If FFG is the only obstacle you see then you must know more about making H1 knives than I.
LOL. I don't know anything about making knives, but I know some of the history of what HAS been made. Actually, the Autonomy doesn't seem to be in production... or it isn't advertised because it is restricted.
I imagine the lock bar insert can use H1, the hardware can be titanium like the other salts, and the titanium clips usually look quite a bit different.
I said real obstacle, the other ones I imagine are small obstacles. Using the titanium military as a base eliminates a lot of the big issues, like the fact that no salt model has used G-10, partial liners, or a liner lock.
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Well with all of the suggestions that have been made for models to be available in Spyderedge the top two models I would like to see with a new set of Spyder-Teeth are the C-111 Captain and the newer TUSK model.
I also very much want to see one of the finer fixed blades be offered up in Spyderedge as well>> As much as I love the Spyderedged version of the Temperance 1 model I would love to see either the Streetbeat or if I dare suggest the SOUTHFORK I know would be a super beast in Spyderedge.
But the Captain and the TUSK would be great hard use blades in SE I have no doubt about that at all. And I don't believe I'm alone on that one either.
Well....Jd....Since you talk so much about it....I just pulled the trigger on a Native 5 SE. I'm going to use it in honor of my CPM-440V Native SE, which I've retired. I just hold on to it, the odd time tempting to sell it to you...
I'm going to beat the crap out of this new N5 SE and see if she holds up...
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Donut wrote:LOL. I don't know anything about making knives, but I know some of the history of what HAS been made. Actually, the Autonomy doesn't seem to be in production... or it isn't advertised because it is restricted.
I imagine the lock bar insert can use H1, the hardware can be titanium like the other salts, and the titanium clips usually look quite a bit different.
I said real obstacle, the other ones I imagine are small obstacles. Using the titanium military as a base eliminates a lot of the big issues, like the fact that no salt model has used G-10, partial liners, or a liner lock.
Hey Brian, I have heard Sal mention that H1 doesn't work well with a liner lock. If we are ever fortunate enough to see a military salt I expect that lc200n would be a key ingredient. :)
Donut wrote:LOL. I don't know anything about making knives, but I know some of the history of what HAS been made. Actually, the Autonomy doesn't seem to be in production... or it isn't advertised because it is restricted.
I imagine the lock bar insert can use H1, the hardware can be titanium like the other salts, and the titanium clips usually look quite a bit different.
I said real obstacle, the other ones I imagine are small obstacles. Using the titanium military as a base eliminates a lot of the big issues, like the fact that no salt model has used G-10, partial liners, or a liner lock.
Hey Brian, I have heard Sal mention that H1 doesn't work well with a liner lock. If we are ever fortunate enough to see a military salt I expect that lc200n would be a key ingredient. :)
I heard that same problem about the deal with H-1 and liner locks some time back myself. I'm wondering if H-1 or LC200N for that matter either one would work with a ball bearing lock? And instead of a metal bearing use a ceramic one instead>> and before you all "boo" me out of the stadium please do consider that most ceramics are notably harder than most steels and other metals>> not to mention ceramic would have great anti-corrosion properties as well.
I've had my original Dodo since late 2003 and I've never had the ball bearing lock on it ever give me any trouble over the years and I've only ever used dry lubes for the most part. :spyder: Hey that's a thought!! What About A Salt DODO??? And yes indeed Spyderedged of course :D :rolleyes:
And as long as we are playing "Fantasy Spyders" you could take a Military ball bearing Salt and add a GUNTING type pocket clip to it as well. Albeit I do advise using a lanyard if you're doing what Brother SURF is doing in open salt water.
While we're considering locking systems it does seem that lockbacks do work well with H-1 so maybe a POLICE model in the Salt Series might be a consideration. Oh well if I throw enough darts I'm eventually going to hit something :rolleyes:
I still think a Dyad in H1 would be sweet. And yes, a rebirth of the Catcherman in CE or full SE would be absolutely amazing. Good post, JD.
One was an accident and one was just a completely bafflingly dumb move on my part. I don't use lanyards because they get in the way on a small kayak. I just try to be extra careful now. It has been over a year since I've done anything dumb. I mean anything dumb with a knife on a kayak. It hasn't even been an hour since I've done something dumb in general! :rolleyes:
