Tatanka vs Voyager lock strength test By Cold Steel

[Bodog]

Oh, and at least the test seemed decently fair and the methods seemed unbiased. That's more than could be said about the bladehq lock test which should have never seen the light of day.

[Cliff Stamp]

If CS spent any amount of time finishing their knives as what spyderco does and used something a little more expensive to work with than AUS8 I'm sure their MSRP would be higher.

Your perspective on CS is fairly out of date. The 2015 lineup is full of 3V, CTS-XHP, 20CV etc. and has plenty of knives which retail past $400.

[Bodog]

Shiny footprints.

[Ankerson]

Andy does good tests really and in the end it goes to show how strong both locks are, both are very strong as the video shows.

Both blades broke before either lock gave out, that VG-10 for Spyderco and AUS-8 for Cold Steel.

So in the end both knives would be more than strong enough for any kind of realistic use they would tend to see.

[gbelleh]

Good marketing video. But both locks are plenty strong.
In this case, pretzels is the same.

[Archimedes]

I would rather own the Tatanka. It is just a lot nicer. Cold Steel has really stepped up the game lately with lots of better steel choices and knives, they could just let the knives speak for themselves and not do a comparison. I tried to watch but found it way to boring.

[God'sMyJudge]

Pretty fun, pretty goofy. Doesn't really make me want either knife. Give me a manbug.

[Liquid Cobra]

Pretty fun, pretty goofy. Doesn't really make me want either knife. Give me a manbug.

Haha make mine a Roadie!

[bearfacedkiller]

This test could have found a way to remove the lateral forces on the blades and maybe they wouldn't have broken. Not because knives don't see lateral forces during use but simply to add more control to the experiment and to keep the test focused on the lock and not on the blade

[noseoil]

Thoroughly unimpressed with this type of lock testing. To me it's irrelevant & meaningless, or as Cliff would say, a trivial test proving nothing.

"Trivial definition, of very little importance or value."

[Pinetreebbs]

Yet again proving that at a certain point, lock strength is irrelevant. The blades of most folding knives will certainly fail before the lock. So what then did this video prove? Just something for the Cold Steel fanbois to get their rocks off to. Though the voyager is a really solid knife design, like the tatanka.

Yup, when used as a knife you will have no worries and a huge margin of safety.

[Chum]

a trivial test proving nothing.

It proved the CS lock was stronger in those tests.

If the Spyderco won in these tests, would everyone here be saying the same things?

There is a lot to like of Spyderco knives over the CS knives... but the locks aren't one of them.

[noseoil]

"Trivial definition, of very little importance or value." I'm not a Spyderco fanboy. I own other brands of knives, along with Spyderco knives. Perhaps I should have said it's a trivial test, proving nothing of value to me.

If the Spyderco "won" the "test" I would have to say the same thing, about the test, not the knife. After all, what exactly was won & lost here?

[Donut]

Lynn is very lucky to have Demko on his staff. He is good at selling points.

[MattM68]

a trivial test proving nothing.

It proved the CS lock was stronger in those tests.

If the Spyderco won in these tests, would everyone here be saying the same things?

There is a lot to like of Spyderco knives over the CS knives... but the locks aren't one of them.

The reason it proves nothing is that if you use your knive as a knife, your lock will not fail. While it may be impressive to watch, are you really worried about your knife failing? And saying that CS has better locks is a personal opinion. I strongly prefer a "weaker" lock such as a compression lock, or a frame lock to the triad lock. There's a knife for everyone, and some may like Cold Steel, and others will like Spyderco. I honestly like both companies, and own products from both. Locks are just the least of my concern. :)

Matt

[MattM68]

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[MattM68]

Double post

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No idea how that happened! Sorry!

[chuck_roxas45]

The reason it proves nothing is that if you use your knive as a knife, your lock will not fail. While it may be impressive to watch, are you really worried about your knife failing? And saying that CS has better locks is a personal opinion. I strongly prefer a "weaker" lock such as a compression lock, or a frame lock to the triad lock. There's a knife for everyone, and some may like Cold Steel, and others will like Spyderco. I honestly like both companies, and own products from both. Locks are just the least of my concern. :)

Matt

Andrew Demko designed an experiment to test lock strength and durability. I think he did so successfully. Whether or not you think lock strength is important, the fact remains that that is what the experiment is testing for. If you were asked to design an experiment to test lock strength and durability irregardless of how a knife should be used, what experiment would you have designed?


What you seem to be doing is evading the issue by invoking proper knife use. When testing for one particular aspect of a mechanism, a good way to test for that aspect is to stress the function until something gives. At this point this is were people of the opposite claim "real world conditions". We are not talking about real world conditions, but rather about ultimate strength. If both locks are sufficient for your "real world scenarios" then the only way to determine which is stronger is to introduce scenarios that stress them beyond the stresses in the real world.

To dismiss the tests as trivial only reveals that you are either misunderstanding the point of the tests or that trying to find a way to deny the results. If your opinion is that lock strength doesn't matter then it doesn't matter to you. Since Cold Steel and Spyderco both designed those particular locks to be strong, then obviously they were thinking that the locks on those knives needed to be strong.

[Chum]

The reason it proves nothing is that if you use your knive as a knife, your lock will not fail.

This argument comes up every time a knife fails. Some people use their knives pretty hard, others spread jam on toast.

While it may be impressive to watch, are you really worried about your knife failing?

Yes, I've had locks fail on me and I was lucky not to get cut badly.

And saying that CS has better locks is a personal opinion. I strongly prefer a "weaker" lock such as a compression lock, or a frame lock to the triad lock.

What? Why would you strongly prefer a weaker lock?

[simyo]

I do agree with the above that if you use a knife normally your lock won't break. My first knives were case and Swiss army slip joints so having a lock on my knife isn't always my first priority, however it is nice for some uses. I haven't used the tatanka or voyager however I do find it odd that their hanging weight test caused torque on the blade which caused it to fail. So it is unclear if this affected the tatanka or not. It also surprises me that they were surprised by the voyager performance, I would have assumed since it was their product they would know how well it would perform in the test. What I did learn is that no matter which knife I use, I can use either one as a pitton/step in an emergency which is always knowledge I can use, especially since I did break the lock on a buck 110 hammering it into the ground to create a starter hole for tent stakes.