What is really going on in Ukraine

[remnar]

Parhelion,

Thank you for the information and your personal insight. I really learned a lot reading your posts. Please be safe.

[Parhelion]

Parhelion,
The current acting Ukraine President Oleksandr Turchynov sounds like a particularly interesting man. He is known for abstaining from tobacco & alcohol and is an elder and lay preacher at a Kiev church. He may even be a Ukrainian version of America’s Mike Huckabee; a Baptist preacher who ran for President of the USA in 2008.

That's true. He definitely very blurry person with "interesting" story behind. Also he is former communist and member of Komsomol. There are even more, but i`m not sure, because it all goes to conspiracy theories.


Guys i spend some time to give you few interesting links:

BBC - shows armed nazi in Kiev
https://youtu.be/5SBo0akeDMY
BBC - here is march of people who celebrated birthday of Bandera. He was leader of organisation who slaughter 50-80 thousands of peaceful polish, jews, ukrainians and russians in 1943-44. Is there something similar to european values?
https://youtu.be/tHhGEiwCHZE
RT - prorussian media but scenes in video talking more than any words
https://youtu.be/1XPJ1rKfM90
Ther few brave citizens on the streets of Kiev trying to show their position and views. Then armed guys with with shields, bats, electric shokers and firearms block the road. Then hit them, broke heads and etc.
https://youtu.be/w4GeD8Ubm0o

Ok lets watch at one of the leaders of Right Sector - Aleksander "White" Muzychko. He is not a politician, not policeman, officially he is nobody just leader of the Right
Sector. Also he was on terrorists side in Chechnya.
here he hit and threat prosecutor in Rivne (main city of one of the western regions) also we see a policeman behind but he doing nothing
https://youtu.be/5SbpJRENkVM
here he is "helping" to local government of Rivne region to do their job. Also he says that nobody can take he weapons. And somebody want then just try.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... pRcU#t=162
here he told us that he will hang on tree Avakov (current minister of defence in Kiev i believe)
https://youtu.be/8toNfe2FL2E


Now i show you that South and East trying to resist new Kiev government and far right ideology.
People in Odessa (main city in one of the southern regions) is AntiMaydan they screams "Russia!" "Fascism shall no pass!" They are not armed and doen`t hide their faces.
https://youtu.be/IGII8jDf4Z4
More Odessa peacefull demonstration. Also there shown temporary memorial of died soldiers of Berkut.
https://youtu.be/NEIJ4pB6OSQ
Antimaydan in Donetsk (main city in one of the eastern regions)
https://youtu.be/uXMFGld3YtA
https://youtu.be/s3okqDR_lQU
Locals in Kharkiv (main city in region) captured provocateurs who trying to start Maydan on streets of Kharkiv. Those guys who stand on knees not locals, they from other regions and was payd to be there and spread nationalists moods. You can see blood, but nobody was wounded in serious way. Locals even give them first help with anticeptics.
https://youtu.be/25QghBLmyoQ
They are ashamed and marked with medicine anticeptic liquid which is also worked as green paint. Called "Zelyonka" it means a "greeny". Very popular in Ukraine.
https://youtu.be/zvRxTCqi5uU
Lughask (another main city) against new government. You can see both Russians and Ukrainin flags
https://youtu.be/zvRxTCqi5uU
Dnepropetrovsk (again main city of region). Against maydan, they defend memorial and screaming "Russia!"
https://youtu.be/r6EJQSpALI0

[Parhelion]

Oh guys i forget to show you something's really interesting.

This is damned by everyone special forces "Berkut". In new Ukraine they are proclaimed as evil forces of tyranny who kills people. They are just hold position and burn in flame of Molotov coctails. What a nice job. And they can do nothing because have no order to use force against this "peaceful" protestors.
https://youtu.be/n4OYGnD56XU

More than 30 of them is dead now. Include officers and even one major. Major got 2 bullets in leg and belly. He died in Kiev hospital because he doesn`t get proper medical help. Now his wife is a widow with 7 month daughter.


Another video.
https://youtu.be/WqdJIC389xc

Some very strange military guys in Donetsk. Have no any marks or signs on them. They are silent and not looks like russian or ukrainians forces. You can see how worried locals because of them. People screaming "who are you?", "who you gonna shoot here?", "mercenaries!", "fag_ots!", "blackwater!". But no real proofs of who they are exactly. Also there are very strong resistance movement in Donetsk with a good leader.

[Parhelion]

Good day everyone!

At first I`ll give a short video of new Ukraine. You can see there what is going on on streets and in local region governments. Also this video shows real face of Right Sector who claims that they are not neo-Nazi organization. Hopes Europe will be happy to unite with a such country full of kind and peacefull people.
https://youtu.be/Qq47Mq5kZOA

Now I will tell you fresh local news. You talk a lot about big geopolitics but may miss something important in details of what is going on for casual people in Ukraine.

- Right Sector takes more and more power in government and firepower also. Now they trying to show themselves in more, soft, democratic way. Their leaders dreaming about real politicians career.
- Parliament thinking about to give real law rights to Selfdefence Squads (those ragtag Right Sector guys in masks with bats and guns) to act like real police. Because Berkut is damned, policemen confused of half-legal Selfdefence Squads. Also Right Sector needs a correct reason to not be disarmed.
- Many army officers of high ranks was fired by Yatsenuk because they are can`t accept attempts of far-rights forces to have influence in Ukrainian army. Guess who will get their places.
- One of the very famous and popular Ukrainian nationalist make video where he tell us that he is unhappy because Kiev government still not start a war against Russia. He asked all "true" Ukrainians to start terroristic war against Russia and create Ukrainian Christian Taliban.
- Nothing special in Crimea right now. Seems like things there in fine for now. But they change the date of referendum from 30 to 15 of March for some reasons.
- East and South regions keep resistance to Kiev. Masses of people comes to squares and stand for their rights. Some times they are have problems with police and activists of Maydan. More than 40 men was arrested in Donetsk where they are nobody knows. One of the leaders also gets blackmail 2 days ago now he is disappear.
- Also in some regions people proclaim new own governors instead of those oligarchs who was given by orders from Kiev. But some regions lacks of organization and leaders. Also they are in information blockade by mass media of Ukraine. Kiev calls people in south and east regions separatists.
- Not they are starts all this chaos. Also they are not support Yanukovich. They just don`t want to be ruled by nazis and live in country with thins new ideology.

[eric m.]

What is all this you are mentioning about Nazis! Are you saying that they are coming from the EU and that they are the ones starting up all this trouble! Over here they are comparing what Putin is doing as Nazi-like! I'm not saying this, just our politicians. Please help us to understand this! Stay safe because there does not seem to be a short-term solution. :)

[Parhelion]

What is all this you are mentioning about Nazis! Are you saying that they are coming from the EU and that they are the ones starting up all this trouble! Over here they are comparing what Putin is doing as Nazi-like! I'm not saying this, just our politicians. Please help us to understand this! Stay safe because there does not seem to be a short-term solution. :)

Can you show me where I said that Nazi comes from EU? I never said that. It is possible that EU or USA are involved but i not saying that because have no real proofs.

Historical aspect:
Those far right movements was in particular regions of Ukraine since 1st World War. Basically in east Galicia which is modern Lviv, Ternopol and Ivano-Frankovsk regions. They want to have own independent country like never in history. All the time it was territory of Poland, Austria, Hungary or Russia. So they decide to cooperate with Nazi before and during WW2, helping with diversions and propaganda. Also they are was commandants, police and executors (killers) during occupation of Ukraine in 1941-1944. They killed a lot (hundreds of thousands) of civil people. But they was used by Nazi as a tool and after occupation nobody gives them independence. After WW2 all nationalists movements was annihilated by direct order of Stalin. Some of them was killed others went to prison. That is why they hate USSR, Stalin, Lenin, Communists and all Russians by the way. As you can see this process has some historical roots. All those modern guys from Right Sector is sons, grandsons and disciples of those who was executed and send to prisons after WW2.

Not they are started all this chaos. It was started by politicians opposite to Yanukovitch government. But Right Sector played main role on Maydan as people who did dirty job and command the crowds behavior. Now they takes more and more power and not really controlled by current government from Kiev. They even dictate they own rules. I think this guys is ready to do everything, they wait too long for a chance of revenge.

Who gave the initial order to start Maydan? I don`t know. Was there some kind of puppet master or not? I don`t know. But if you ask me for a short description of what is really known in local scale - here is it (it is not my quote, but it is quite exact):
This "revolution" essentially amounts to one set of corrupt and incompetent oligarchs replacing another set of corrupt and incompetent oligarchs, fascists and Neo-Nazis. The only difference is that the latter are more compliant to the West (there were no Neo-Nazis in previous government)

My own vision of global situation:
Many thinks that now Ukraine making choice between Russia and Europe. No. It is world now making choice between pro-Russian Ukraine and neo-Nazi Ukraine. And seems like second option is more preferable for someone.

As for some politicians who says that Russia is new Nazi-Germany and Putin is new Hitler. Those guys or stupid or corrupt and hateful in my humble opinion. I don`t know what is your media shows, but i live here all my life and i can see directly how people of south and east are praying to Russia to defend them of neo-Nazi threat from western Ukraine.

[eric m.]

- Now we have total mobilization of Ukrainian Army, because new government scared of Russia. But Russia will not bring any troops if South and East will be able to decide their own future. And of course nobody wants to fight because we are brothers. But Army commanders have to accept orders, also some of them shares
oppositions believes. But Right Sector trying to provoke violence in East cities, they have automatic weapons captured in police departments during chaos and anarchy. They came on the buses and trying to provoke locals by demonstrations, assault of buildings and ruins memorials of WW2. Locals have no weapons to resist them in arms. Also this can be accepted as riots and cause a reason to use Ukrainian Army at the East.
- Right Sector also asked for a help of Islamic terrorists on their social media page. They are fought with them against Russia. But now they said that someone is steal their password and all if this is provocation.
- Also one of the leader of new government says that Ukraine can became a nuclear country again if Russia will not stop intervention. This is technically absurd but there is something to think about.
- Main problem is that Right Sector is armed, half-legal and not controlled by anyone. And if government decide to get rid if them, who will do this? Berkut is fired and ashamed. It can be a Ukrainian Army or Russian. Also people who lives in south and eastern regions have other opinion. They wait for Russian Army like for saviors from Right Sector Nazi terror. Which is more that real treat.

5. What is next? I don't know. Nothing good obviously. In best scenario we will have economic collapse in worst economic collapse and war. Who is guilty? I don't know, maybe western government and secret services who makes our country a stage of geopolitical game. Maybe we are Ukrainians guilty case we was stupid and hateful to each other. But Russia now have to deal with it and solve our problems.

Thanks to those of you who read to the end. And sorry for my bad English.

Sounds like the Neo Nazi's are aligning with Islamic terrorists! "Right Sector Nazi terror" is coming from western Ukraine, which seems to favor EU against Russia. Am I right in understanding you? From over here it seems that the EU wants to not be as energy dependent on Russia for Natural gas. Chevron and Exxon want to start extracting oil from shale, in addition to fracking in Ukraine to get their natural gas to the EU, thereby undercutting Russia's monopoly. This would, for all intents and purposes, ruin Russia's economy! Putin will not let this happen! They are actually forcing him into a corner on this and he will not bow down! It's all about energy and ruining Putin's dream of restoring Russia to her glory days, and expanding the European union's power and authority.(Revived Roman Empire!) :eek:

[Parhelion]

Sounds like the Neo Nazi's are aligning with Islamic terrorists! "Right Sector Nazi terror" is coming from western Ukraine, which seems to favor EU against Russia. Am I right in understanding you? From over here it seems that the EU wants to not be as energy dependent on Russia for Natural gas. Chevron and Exxon want to start extracting oil from shale, in addition to fracking in Ukraine to get their natural gas to the EU, thereby undercutting Russia's monopoly. This would, for all intents and purposes, ruin Russia's economy! Putin will not let this happen! They are actually forcing him into a corner on this and he will not bow down! It's all about energy and ruining Putin's dream of restoring Russia to her glory days, and expanding the European union's power and authority.(Revived Roman Empire!) :eek:

Ukrainian neo-Nazi have many links with Islamic terrorists. They hate Russia and fight against it on terrorists side in every conflict of last decades. Also Dmitry Yarosh asked terrorists for support and atack Russia today. And western Ukraine mostly favor EU. So that's probably true.

I don`t know much about fracking potential of Ukraine and what is EU wants. Personally i think it make sense, but i have no proofs. But what i can say for sure is that main gas transportation system from Russia to Europe is going through Ukraine. And in past Ukraine was captured at stealing this gas bought by Europe. So maybe EU want to have more control over this.

What is Putin dreams about i don't care. But for sure if neo-Nazi revolution will be possible in Ukraine today then Russia is next. Also definitely Russia wants to protect Russians who lived in Ukraine.

[Parhelion]

There are a big chance that tomorrow or day after tomorrow happens something really bad in Crimea. Probably it will be war.

- Date of Referendum in Crimea is 16 of March. So Kiev needs to do something before that date. At any costs they will try to prevent it. In other case Crimea probably joins Russia legally by will of citizens.
- All military enginery and machines that still works now going to Crimea. There are o lot of video from many regions shows that. Ukraine still have some armored troop-carriers, artillery, T-64 tanks, etc.
- Also several dozens of PZRK "igla" (SA-16, SA24) was stolen from military storages in western Ukraine. It is portable antiaircraft missle launchers. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Igla-Super.jpg
- Probably Kiev government make stake of everything they have to one strike. If they can take Perekop and Simferopol, there will be not a chance to organize referendum. Even if they not, there still will be a lot of blood and everything goes like by South Osetia 2008 scenario. Russia will be proclaimed as aggressor by western media and everybody will believe it. May be they even make some stupid propagandistic Hollywood style movie about big evil hungry bear of Russia from the north.
- I don`t know if Kiev already have guaranties of support from NATO or whatever in case if Russia will use real military force to defend Crimea. Probably Kiev has guaranties or just stupid and hateful.
- I`m not really religious person, but tonight i will pray. I wish i wrong and nothing terrible happens.

[The Mastiff]

What is Putin dreams about i don't care. But for sure if neo-Nazi revolution will be possible in Ukraine today then Russia is next. Also definitely Russia wants to protect Russians who lived in Ukraine.

You should care what his dreams are. Right now he is pulling the strings and controlling the information you are getting. Anything Russia does is for Russia and Putins group. You Ukrainians are no different to him than any other tools to use. If you fight it should be for control of your own destiny as a nation, not as a tool of Russia's to use and manipulate. No Ukrainian is in any way controlling or affecting the current events. It's only the nobodies, or the ones giving over to the process hoping to gain better position after it's over. In any event it looks like it's back to being a province of Russia to be used and controlled and stripped of national resources whether mineral, gas or your sons and daughters. I feel bad for your country. The Nazis make a great enemy to rally against while the lion sneaks in the back door and eats whatever he wants. Go ahead and pray the hungry lion saves you, or do something to insure Ukraine and you people have a future. If your true feelings lie with Russia, emigrate and find out how much the Russian Skin head/ psuedo nazis like more immigrants. :) There are many more in Russia than the Ukraine. Sorry to walk over your visions of what is really happening but instead of posting Russian propaganda here get out and see for yourself what is really going on. There are no Blackwater troops there BTW. Not real ones anyway.

[Parhelion]

Ok i respect your opinion. I also understand that there are a lot of propaganda from both sides. But why do you think that everything you know is Truth but everything i say is just because my brain is washed by russian propaganda? Can you prove it? I give a lot of facts and you can check most of them by yourself. Also i can accept that we are both brainwashed but I`m at least lives here in Ukraine and can see something without help of any media .

I agree that Russia has own problems, neo-nazi is one of them but they are not represented in government at least. And they are not walking armed on streets and not dictate their rules to others in Russia like in Ukraine. And nobody officially trying to justify the crimes of Nazi during WW2 in Russia. Also i do not want to any region separates and join Russia. I was fine before this riots. Yeah it was not great government but nothing similar to what is going on now.

Historically Ukraine was never province of Russia. In fact Russian Empire was born in Kiev and later growing to the North and East. All the time it was one land and one nation. As a local i know history of Ukraine pretty well. And "Ukraine is raw materials appendage to Russia" is not popular view there.

About Blackwater. When i said that i add that there no real proofs no except words of employees of Borispol airport. So yeah that is may be just rumors or infowar. I will be appreciate if you can provide proofs of that there are no Blackwater in Ukraine. Why you so sure?

Also why i should emigrate if i don`t like where my country is falling today? It is my land and i have same rights to defend my beliefs as anyone else. I feel that if i emigrate today, tomorrow i just will have no place to emigrate next.

[Parhelion]

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I was hope to discuss it with you, but seems like you just say something and go away.

Ok then a new portion of information:

- Thanks God, nothing really happens in Crimea for now. Referendum is tomorrow and i hope it will be peaceful.
- Maybe those troops of ukrainian army is moved closely to Crimea not for attack but defend purposes. Crimea is really depends on electricity, gas and drinking water from Ukraine. So if citizens of Crimea will vote to join Russia then Ukraine can turn some switches off. And Kiev afraids that Russian can move their troops to the north to take control over regions at north of Crimea. I think it will never happens, Russia rather will spend any logistic, financial or political resources to solve this problem. But it is just my thoughts, what Ukrainian politicians have in their minds i don`t know.
- Oh and if somebody still think that Russia is aggressor cause of their troops in Crimea, i should remind you one thing. Russia and Ukraine have agreement which says that Russia can have up to 25000 soldiers in Crimea to defend Navy base in Sevastopol. Russia gives Ukraine discounts and pays directly for this.
- American UAV-drone was shot down and captured in Crimea
- Many "political" prisoners was released from prisons. Many of them is far rights and was judged for terrorism. Some others just criminal who have money.
- One of those guys is now leader of Right Sector East. It is a new department created to counter resistance movement in the east regions.
- Also government formed new militaristic organization - National Guards. Mostly it is formed from Right Sector and people from Maydan. It is clever idea, here we called things like this "to kill two hares with one shot". First it helps to clean Maydan from all this people, especially active one. They already played their role and not needed anymore. Also they are became dangerous because some of them start to understand that they are was just used. Second it is great chance to create new ideologically prepared armed crowd which is ready ro fight against eastern resistance or Russian Army. This is especially important because new government have not much support inside ukrainian army. Basically National Guards is needed to gather all kinds of Maydan organizations under one command center.
- Also there are information that National Guards will be used at eastern region to suppress resistance.
- Now everyone in Ukraine can donate money for ukrainian army or National Guards needs with help of SMS =)
- 1 man killed in Donetsk. He was a member of Right Sector and was stabbed by knife. That happens during collisions between radicals and antimaydan demonstrations.
- 2 men killed in Kharkov. Several also in hard conditions with bullets wounds. Some radical guys shoot into pro-russian activists with assault rifles (AKM), then they are trying to escape on van. But was followed buy some taxi and other drivers. Radicals went to some building which is headquarters of Right Sector in Kharkiv. About 100-150 men trying to asault this building but radicals shoots with automatic firearms and throws shock grenades and molotov`s. Also they get 3 hostages. This guys in building during assault was even post something on their page in social media web site. Mostly it was photos with nazi-gestures, signs and slogans like "they can`t get us alive, fuhrer waits me in Valhalla". Police not really trying to do something with it. Police is controlled by new governor of the region - Kernes. Later Kernes comes and easily walks into building. There are a video when he inside the building comes to the room and shakes hand of the radicals. After that police arrest more than 30 radicals by order of Kernes and transfer them somewhere.
- Russian satellite was unsuccessfully attacked by some kind of radio/wave technology from territory of western Ukraine.

[Parhelion]

Ok now i give you new actual info:
- Referendum is done. Many in the western world just boycott it. But nevertheless there was about 900 of foreign journalists and observers.
- Before referendum Yatsenuk makes video where he demands that Russia should stop referendum. Thats weird because Crimea is not a part of Russia but Ukraine. So Ukraine have to stop referendum not Russia. Then he said that Crimea government is not legal and was created by force not constitutionaly. Aslo very weird words. Maybe he thinks that everyone forget that just two weeks ago he and his friends took power by force in Kiev.
- His friend and nice boxer - Klichko also made video. He talks to citizens of Crimea to not going to referendum and just skip it. So he didn`t want people to show what they want and think. That is how referendum works, it shows what people want not politicians.
- In a few past days there was a lot of mass demonstrations in eastern and southern Ukraine (In Kharkiv, Odessa, Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk and many smaller towns). People shows their resistance to new government.
Odessa - https://youtu.be/SUPWqYTZoBY
Kharkov - https://youtu.be/Bfc7REGYYDc
https://youtu.be/xKbvVWtVm2g
Donetsk - https://youtu.be/wF_SNvgCmhs
Dnepropertrovsk - https://youtu.be/ck_DkaOKkaA
- Also in Donetsk and Lugansk region civil people stoped columns of military equipment that goes east.
- People of East and South keep feels great pressure beacuse of their position. Pavel Gubarev (leader of Donetsk) was arrested about 10 days ago. Was appointed bail for him. People collect money emmidiately and paid. But Gubarev still in prison.
- Artem Davidchenko (leader of Odessa) is kidnaped. Right before eyes of his mother. Thugs used firearms.
- In Kiev 6 very well equiped guys in masks beat people. This guys don`t talk Ukrainian and hardly Russian. Police doing nothing. Later there came Pashinsky and took them away. This guy is deputy in government and same guy who took and drove away sniper rifle on Maydan on 18 february just before slaughter.
- In Dnepropetrovsk big group of radicals beat 6 civil guys. Now in Ukraine when someone says "Glory to Ukraine (Slava Ookra+eany)" you should answer "Glory to the heroes(Geroyam Slava)". If you don`t they think you a traitor and do not support new government, revolution and ideology. This slogan is from ukrainian nazi of WW2. Those 6 guys didn`t answer properly. In result few broken ribs, concussion of the brain and leg wounded by knife.
- Also they are attacked some young couple. Buy i should say that guy is provoke them a bit. Called them f*gg*ts. Radicals screaming "communist should be hanged", "glory to nation - death to enemies", "Right Sector" etc.
https://youtu.be/wvcPnY0QG7k
- In Lugansk and other eastern cities there some tanks, APC and other military stuff. Probably for psychological suppresion.
- After this new National Guards is legalizad government gives an order to everyone to give up all weapons. In this elegant way they are dispose useless (and even dangerous to them) Maydan. And one who keeps weapons is radicals. Nice job
- Kiev thinks about nationalization of some Russian property in Ukraine.
- Dmitry Yarosh said that they are can explode Gas Transfer System which is transfer gas from Russia to Europe

[RanCoWeAla]

Updok I wish to God Mike Huchabee would run for President again.

[The Mastiff]

I was hope to discuss it with you, but seems like you just say something and go away.

Discussing? You seem to just be repeating propaganda from Russian sources and only from the Russian/Putin's point of view. I can already read that stuff online from Russian controlled sources.

Here's a theory about Putin that has made the rounds in UK, US, AUS, CAN, etc. papers and portals. I find it interesting. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... eturn.html

You have identified yourself as Ukrainian. I don't know how you could stand back and watch a foreign power walk in and take control. Indeed you seem to be happy about it.

Such is the terror of those imaginary Nazi's and "radicals" that you prefer the largest oligarch in the world ( indeed the world's wealthiest man) to take whatever of your country he wants.

Sad.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/insid ... oid-vision

[bh49]

Parhelion,
Thank you for bringing to us your point of view. It is very interesting read. I am following event as close as I can and reading CNN as well as some European and Russian sources. A lot of propaganda there, but still possible to find independent opinions, especially in European sources.

- Also government formed new militaristic organization - National Guards. Mostly it is formed from Right Sector and people from Maydan.

Probably this were expectation. To the best of my knowledge "Right Sector" didn't join National Guards. This information comes from the statement of one of the leaders of "right sector". There is his video on youtube.

- Before referendum Yatsenuk makes video where he demands that Russia should stop referendum. Thats weird because Crimea is not a part of Russia but Ukraine. So Ukraine have to stop referendum not Russia.

Nothing weird. Putin was in control of citation since the first day.

[bh49]

You have identified yourself as Ukrainian. I don't know how you could stand back and watch a foreign power walk in and take control. Indeed you seem to be happy about it.

Joe,
The citation is little more complicated than most Americans know and think.
Current Ukranian government came to power through the coup. So it shouldn't be a surprise that some people are not recognizing current goverment as a legal. Legally elected President was overthrown by force and ran scared for his life. He certainly is one of most corrupted politicians, but how many of them are not corrupted over there? Anyway, the real force, which kicked him out was mostly based on armed people from ultra-right. Now ultra-right, many of them share their ideology with Hitler like:" Ukrain for Ukranians" have quite a few key positions in Ukrainian government and their leader is planning to run for President. By "Ukranians" they mean ethnically 100% Ukrainians.
Parhelion is Ukranian citizen, but like he mentioned by birth he is ethnically half Russian. "Right Sector" doesn't need this kind of people in their country. And now they have positions in government and weapons. Keep in the mind, that in that part of the world most of the people do not own firearms and cannot defend themselves against people with guns. So I understood quite well, why Parhelion and his family and millions like them do not feel safe and will take protection from foreign powers, if their government does nothing.

Such is the terror of those imaginary Nazi's and "radicals" that you prefer the largest oligarch in the world ( indeed the world's wealthiest man) to take whatever of your country he wants.

Unfortunately ultra -right are not imaginary. Many of them share ideology with Nazi's and consider themselves followers of Benderovtsy, who were allied with German Nazi during WWII.
I am sure that there are quite a few brave soles, fighters and warriors, who will fight organized and trained armed people, but I believe that majority will take a protection from largest thief, especially after first of brave soles will be shot.

[Parhelion]

Discussing? You seem to just be repeating propaganda from Russian sources

And you seems like just repeating western propaganda. I understand that there are informational war, but i at least live there in Ukraine and can see what is going on by my own eyes. Also i'm trying to stay aside global politics and mostly concentrate on local news.
Why you so sure that all i say is just because my brain is washed? And you of course getting rock solid true information directly from God probably.

You have identified yourself as Ukrainian. I don't know how you could stand back and watch a foreign power walk in and take control. Indeed you seem to be

happy about it.

This bother me more than you can imagine. And this foreign power is neo-nazi government and ideology. Svoboda party and Right Sector now have a lot of places in government and they are for sure is neo-nazi. They are both radical far right nationalists organization, they honor nazi persons and uses nazi symbols. Also now they have weapons and seems loke they like it.
If by foreign power you mean Russia. You may be surprised how unpopular such views in south and east of Ukraine. We are always was one nation, one family about 75% of people have relatives in Russia. Also in 1991 there was referendum and people was asked "do you want Ukraine to be a independent country or a still a part of USSR?". About 78% says "USSR" but nevertheless politicians choose to split it.
Ukrainians and Russians is historically one nation. Few western regions (Galicia) is a different story. They are never has own country, but always dreamed about it. For centuries those lands comes from hands to hands by Hungary, Poland and Russian Empire. Those new radical narionalism comes from those regions. Also most territories of modern Ukraine was given by communists. In 17th centuries by russian Tsar to little Ukraine (cossacs on Dnepr river) was added Kiev and central regions, in 1917 by Lenin was added east and south, in 1939 by Stalin was added western regions, and in 1954 by Khruschev was added Crimea.
I don`t know how to explain better. Probably you must be ukrainian to understand what people feel there.
Also Russia and Ukraine has agreement about russian troops in Crimea. Russia allowed to have up to 25000 soldiers there to protect navy fleet in Sevastopol. Russia pays for this and gives discounts, credits etc. So those "intervention" was in boundaries of law. There still no official document of UN that what is going on in Crimea is intervention of Russia. By international law it is not.

Such is the terror of those imaginary Nazi's and "radicals" that you prefer the largest oligarch in the world ( indeed the world's
wealthiest man) to take whatever of your country he wants.

Those radicals is not imaginary. I gave a lot of links to ensure. But seems like you one of those who "see just what you want to see". Of course it is comfy position and it is totally up to you.
Also i can tell when Ukraine became independent it was 10th economics in the world. Now it is about 100h. What can be even worse? Association with EU. Total suicide. You just need to read agreement if you don`t believe me. But i`m sure you will not do this, maybe just read another article of western-fecing media. Even new "prime-minister" Yatsenuyk now decide to take timeout before sign association to rhink about it. I should remind you that similar timeout was a reason to Maydan to overthrow previous legal government.

[Parhelion]

Parhelion,
Probably this were expectation. To the best of my knowledge "Right Sector" didn't join National Guards. This information comes from the statement of one of the leaders of "right sector". There is his video on youtube.

Yeah i saw it. He did it after governments order to give up all weapons. You know new "government" is already took all power. So now the are trying to get rid of those who "did dirty job" and don't needed anymore but can be dangerous. So officially from now weapons is not allowed to anyone except National Guards. Basically new government is not together they are like a sack of poisonous snakes who bites each other. But who will really suffer is ordinary people. As always...

[bh49]

Basically new government is not together they are like a sack of poisonous snakes who bites each other. But who will really suffer is ordinary people. As always...

Unfortunately this is true.
Interesting article by Henry Kissinger caught my attention. I believe that he understands citation much better than most of Western politicians.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html