Best Spyderco for Self Defense.

[Blerv]

i cant believe you guys are giving a minor any advice on a sd knife. since when does spyderco endorse snot nosed kids brandishing there brand name in the hood. kid your asking the wrong question with the wrong ideas on things. my advice would be to steer clear of any weapons and carry a spork. preferably plastic.

Dang I guess we failed the babysitting test. Apparently not everything you read on the Internet is sanctioned by The Mickey Mouse Club. I don't recall Spyderco endorsing crap because we are NOT employers.

Good advice on the spork and the snot-nose comment. Reminds me why I stopped learning from most adults at 15 :) .

[DaBird]

I am a bit surprised by some that say "don't carry a knife" .

Legal is legal and a minor CAN use a firearm or ANY other weapon in SELF-DEFENSE !!!

Now that i've said that -- let me say that there has also been some very good replies.

1 --- get some type of SUPERVISED training , be it Boxing , FMA , Karate , etc --- something is better then nothing {most times}.

2 -- I agree with KBR / GEC / Blerv etc ----- out of the knifes you have , the Delica would be your best choice.

3 --- NO WHERE did I see this young person saying he was going to carry in school OR "snot nose kid brandish it" and I think member bada61265 is out of line with his reply below.

i cant believe you guys are giving a minor any advice on a sd knife. since when does spyderco endorse snot nosed kids brandishing there brand name in the hood. kid your asking the wrong question with the wrong ideas on things. my advice would be to steer clear of any weapons and carry a spork. preferably plastic.

4 --- I don't think the average " minor age gangbanger " is going to sign up here at the Spyderco Forum and ask for ideas on how to maim/kill people.

5 --- A VERY MANY of us here have carried a knife as a tool and a last ditch SD for many years as a minor and I'd bet less then 1/100 of 1% of us ever got in trouble with the law over it.

6 --- if I have to chose between a longer blade or a quick deployment , I'll take the quick deployment EVERY TIME.

7 --- to the young poster , DO NOT be put off by some of the replies here -- after all , it IS the InterNet :)

[Blerv]

Honestly the OP could very well live in a bad place. The kind of place were muggings aren't a choice but a fact of life.

If I won't go into the good places of Seattle without a knife I can't fault him. I doubt he's itching for something to stab. Most sociopaths go cheap and don't ask advice on forums.

[bada61265]

shure glad you can rationalize and defend a minors right to use lethal force.

[DaBird]

shure glad you can rationalize and defend a minors right to use lethal force.

Well , at least you didn't say "snot nose" !!!! And NO WHERE is there a law against a minor useing LEGAL means for SD. If so , please point it out to us.

[chuck_roxas45]

shure glad you can rationalize and defend a minors right to use lethal force.

I don't get the idea that somehow a minor who has been beaten to death is somehow morally superior to the minor who is explaining to the cops how his attacker bled out.

[Blerv]

shure glad you can rationalize and defend a minors right to use lethal force.

I don't mean any offend in this but honestly think your wrong. You think we are so it's a tie.

I know if someone feels in danger of actually losing his/her life I can't say, "grow up kid". I don't know the situation nor do you. It's just as much his right to stay alive as it's their right to try to take that freedom in a word case scenario. Advising in a BROAD way is our diligence and I think the OP gets it.

Denying someone's fear is more cruel than giving them options. They will do whatever they want anyways. Might as well treat then as rational so they make decisions as such.

[Blerv]

I don't get the idea that somehow a minor who has been beaten to death is somehow morally superior to the minor who is explaining to the cops how his attacker bled out.

Lol. Chuck you always take what I WANT to say and do it in less than 500 words. I'll trade your eloquence for my crazy phone typing skillz =p

[chuck_roxas45]

Lol. Chuck you always take what I WANT to say and do it in less than 500 words. I'll trade your eloquence for my crazy phone typing skillz =p

Hahaha. It's just my emotion driving my hands. :p

[Blerv]

Hahaha. It's just my emotion driving my hands. :p

My mouth leads; thoughts follow. :p

[kawr]

He's a minor and spends the majority of his days AT school where knives are ILLEGAL. Heck there was a story about a elementary kid getting expelled for bringing a butter knife to use for lunch. It's not right for people to be encouraging him to be carrying a knife when its clear he wont be able to carry a knife 80% of the time. Maybe more. Its also pretty clear that when his first post was to ask which knife is best for SD he is not looking for a knife for work or home use. This leads me to believe he plans on carrying it with him daily to and from school. Guess what, that is illegal. GJ grown adults telling a kid to not listen to responsible advice and possibly causing serious trouble for him when he gets expelled from school or worse. He can wait till he graduates high school to carry whatever knife he wants, wherever he goes, and any blade size. Right now he can buy whatever knife he wants as long as he keeps it at home or for work. If the kid really does feels like he needs an SD knife because of where he lives he has much bigger problems than asking about which SD knife is best.

[chuck_roxas45]

Well, we can assume either of two things. The first is that he is a well-behaved boy who like a lot of knife nuts started out with a view of knives as weapons. So we welcome him to the forums and into our midst where hopefully, he can learn to be a responsible owner of knives and evolve his taste and purpose in owning knives.

The second is that he is a budding juvenile delinquent intent on stabbing anybody at the first chance. If indeed, he is of the second persuasion, do you really think that denying him information will make him a better citizen? Or barring that, do you think he won't know how to use google and find himself a slashmagator stabimax?

I will relate an experience of mine when I was in high school and into CB's(citizens band) radios. I wanted to be part of the local radio club and attempted to engage them in conversations(QSO's). I got shut down for being a juvenile and an unlicensed station. Instead of somebody educating me and turning me into a cooperative member of their club, I became a jammer and I made it my purpose in life to be a nuisance to each an every QSO that I could step on( I obtained illegal amplifiers and a high gain antenna allowing me to step on about 80 percent of their members with legal power outputs). I was a nuisance for many years and they had a heck of time with their nightly net.

[KBR]

.........Its also pretty clear that when his first post was to ask which knife is best for SD he is not looking for a knife for work or home use. This leads me to believe he plans on carrying it with him daily to and from school. Guess what, that is illegal. GJ grown adults telling a kid to not listen to responsible advice and possibly causing serious trouble for him when he gets expelled from school or worse. He can wait till he graduates high school to carry whatever knife he wants, wherever he goes, and any blade size. Right now he can buy whatever knife he wants as long as he keeps it at home or for work. If the kid really does feels like he needs an SD knife because of where he lives he has much bigger problems than asking about which SD knife is best.

This kid's first post caught my attention for that exact reason.....why else would he ask about a SD knife rather than just a general knife suggestion for a minor? It is clear that his sole purpose is to carry for SD, in which case, he would be carrying to and from school that, while not illegal in itself, it is to carry knife into any school, anywhere.

Well, we can assume either of two things. The first is that he is a well-behaved boy who like a lot of knife nuts started out with a view of knives as weapons. So we welcome him to the forums and into our midst where hopefully, he can learn to be a responsible owner of knives and evolve his taste and purpose in owning knives.

The second is that he is a budding juvenile delinquent intent on stabbing anybody at the first chance. If indeed, he is of the second persuasion, do you really think that denying him information will make him a better citizen? Or barring that, do you think he won't know how to use google and find himself a slashmagator stabimax?

While I am not against advising budding knifeknuts, I would draw the line in suggesting the best SD knife to a minor who has asked just that one question without making it clear about his other intended uses with this knife. Of course, we all hope that this kid is the first rather than the latter.

After doing a little research here, there seem to be some inconsistencies in his posts....the few there may be. For example, he starts two threads within 30 minutes of each other where he says he messed up the edge on his Delica on one and states that his 'only' folder broke and wants suggestions on a new knife with a blade under 3" where he is thinking of getting either the Delica or Tenacious. :confused: :confused:

Furthermore, he even states in the 'Next knife to buy' thread;

Thanks dude but...LAPD are nazis when it comes to knives. I'm a minor and can't risk a misdemeanor.

Yet, he is asking for suggestions on a SD knife...... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I don't know about you guys, but I'm done with this thread.....I'm not going to feed this little troll any further.

[chuck_roxas45]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm done with this thread.....I'm not going to feed this little troll any further.

I dunno about you guys but it seems to me that there's someone who is genuinely looking for information about a knife albeit a little misguided.

Troll? Here's a Wikipedia definition of an internet troll.

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

Oh and that part about off-topic messages? The subject is "recommendation for an SD knife".


I guess I'm also OT here so I guess this is trolling to some extent. I'm out. Elvis has left the building.

[araneae]

Wow, lots of assumptions made here. We don't know this kid and to make accusations like:

snot nosed kids brandishing there brand name in the hood

I'm not going to feed this little troll any further

is pretty harsh. Yes, he's a minor and he probably has no business carrying a knife for self defense. That's really between him and his parents. He definitely has no business carrying at school, but I don't remember him stating that intention.

Like I said, we don't know this kid, hopefully he's intelligent enough to see that many of us are trying to steer him away from what may be a very bad decision without insulting him and calling names. He's plenty old enough to use a knife, but at his age there is a time, a place and a situation for it. Self defense isn't any of those in my opinion.

[Hissatsu5]

I would get the endura I think that would be your best bet all thrw high school I carried a knife just becuz you can't allways avoid danger and it nice to have a backup plan

[The Mentaculous]

He's a minor and spends the majority of his days AT school where knives are ILLEGAL. Heck there was a story about a elementary kid getting expelled for bringing a butter knife to use for lunch. It's not right for people to be encouraging him to be carrying a knife when its clear he wont be able to carry a knife 80% of the time. Maybe more. Its also pretty clear that when his first post was to ask which knife is best for SD he is not looking for a knife for work or home use. This leads me to believe he plans on carrying it with him daily to and from school. Guess what, that is illegal. GJ grown adults telling a kid to not listen to responsible advice and possibly causing serious trouble for him when he gets expelled from school or worse. He can wait till he graduates high school to carry whatever knife he wants, wherever he goes, and any blade size. Right now he can buy whatever knife he wants as long as he keeps it at home or for work. If the kid really does feels like he needs an SD knife because of where he lives he has much bigger problems than asking about which SD knife is best.

How is calling him "snot nosed" and suggesting he'll "brandish" the knife "in the hood" (a pretty biased assumption that he somehow lives in a ghetto b/c his location is LA) "responsible advice"?

Clearly he shouldn't bring the knife in school. He never said he would or plans to. Aside from that, if it's legal for him to carry a knife, why are you scolding people for suggesting something to carry legally? If it's illegal to carry a knife under 18 in California, then it makes sense. But otherwise, I think you guys are just trying to be self-superior adults who know better than everyone else.

PS-How does OP suggesting that he wants to AVOID legal trouble somehow suggest that he's irresponsible or his story is inconsistent? I kind of LOL'd had KBR's "revealing" post about this guy, because I saw no inconsistencies, but rather got a better idea of who this kid is

[kawr]

How is calling him "snot nosed" and suggesting he'll "brandish" the knife "in the hood" (a pretty biased assumption that he somehow lives in a ghetto b/c his location is LA) "responsible advice"?

Clearly he shouldn't bring the knife in school. He never said he would or plans to. Aside from that, if it's legal for him to carry a knife, why are you scolding people for suggesting something to carry legally? If it's illegal to carry a knife under 18 in California, then it makes sense. But otherwise, I think you guys are just trying to be self-superior adults who know better than everyone else.

PS-How does OP suggesting that he wants to AVOID legal trouble somehow suggest that he's irresponsible or his story is inconsistent? I kind of LOL'd had KBR's "revealing" post about this guy, because I saw no inconsistencies, but rather got a better idea of who this kid is

Reread my comments as well as FIRST post in this thread. Nowhere do I say he should not get a knife. Its the so called "responsible adults" telling him to get a SD knife when clearly he has no need for one when he spends all day in school. In my first post I even suggested a Delica for home or work use. If he needs a SD knife for school, thats asking for serious trouble. If he needs a SD knife because of where he lives, it still would be a bad idea to carry one because whats he gonna do with the knife when he gets to school? The fact that he asked specifically for a SD knife suggests he plans on carrying it everywhere including school where he spends most of the day. This is advice coming from snot nosed 21 year old who not too long ago was in his shoes.

Btw him caring about legal blade lengths doesnt mean anything when schools ban ALL knives. Period.

[bada61265]

sorry to offend with the snot nosed remark and the hood comment not being of a politically correct mindset is one of the things i like most about myself. i abhor conformist but am conservative enough and outspoken enough to defend my views, if the best way to attack my point is to cry foul about the language i use and ignor the meaning then you demonstrate the weakness of the argument in support of minors carrying weapons with intent. as kwar eluded too the point is this is or should be a topic avoided as minors dont have the right to carry weapons almost anywhere and in reality most adults dont have a right to carry weapons considered sd weapons like blades of a certain length or over most anywhere either. imo theres too much pussy footing around. pc is killing this country.

[Elvis]

' = feet, " = inches.

The best knife for self protection is the one you have on you when you need it.

I'd suggest a can of pepper spray instead. There are so many scenarios where a person protecting themselves with a knife can be held liable in criminal and civil court. Being a young person has many advantages, years of experience in the art of living and making important, life altering split second decisions aren't two of them. Landing in jail and/or bankrupting your family is probably not something you want to do.

K. So I'm a minor and live in Los Angeles, CA. The laws here are any length folder may be carried, but under 3' can be open carried and over 3' folders must be concealed. So I have a lot of option but have to make the choice of easier deployment vs long blade. What do you reccomend?

Knives I am considering include, but are not limited to:
Delica wave
Delica ffg
Endura wave
Endura ffg
stretch
manix 2