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Toad310 wrote: If you want the kind of job she has, this is something you know ahead that you will sacrifice.

I missed many events, and holidays running a business.

If you like your job, and moreover, wish to keep it, you have to do what is required. Period.

Again, forcing me to feel sorry for someone at a trade show, fun job to have, that is required, you miss things.

You can make up for it when you get home. My daughter who is in college, is thankful that I had provided her with a good life, knowing it cost silly holidays.

Business is business. You do what you are told to do, or you will be replaced...in a second. There is no loyalty in business, none. It does not matter what company, or boss, there is no loyalty in business. This is not me talking, this is part of the general theories of business, and business management.

Remember we are pushing 10% unenployement in America, so anyone with a job at this point in time should feel lucky.
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I'm trying to figure out how my Spyderco forum got accidentally page-jacked to the Hard-knocks business boot-camp forum...because there's no way a thread topic could ever drift as much as it has, right? :)

Just out of curiosity, has everyone here read The Spyderco Story?

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Toad:

We're not asking anyone to feel sorry for us. If you really think about it, we're on the same page. You sacrifice for your family; so do we. You prioritize your efforts; so do we.

On to higher priorities...

Stay safe,

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Hi Friends!

The original thread topic of making a Spyderco Annual has been considered here many, many times. The idea hasn’t evolved for a number of reasons:
1. Cost of production. 2. Yes- the consideration of man/woman-power to make it happen. 3. The question of redundancy since we have 3 Spyderco forums (with information shared almost instantaneously) and catalogs. 4. There’s the issue of our ongoing fluid product development, upgrades, changes, additions which we worry would make the publication’s shelf life short, incorrect or obsolete before it’s printed or shortly after. We move quickly and the print world crawls somewhat slower.

After asking ourselves these questions as a group, we did not deem creating a Spyderco Magazine a top priority right now. That will be revisited since I believe us to be an open minded company.

____________

Toad310 thank you for your insight. Spyderco is a very unique place to be. Your thoughts on how businesses operate are probably valid in many places but Spyderco operates nearly opposite of this. Mike posted we’re a bit different, he wasn’t kidding. True, we’re a business and businesses run on money and processes but we operate more like family when making choices both financial and directional. As employees we have expected direction/duties and have bosses – yes even Sal does. I believe people here on this forum (and definitely here at Spyderco) are appreciative of Kristi’s hard work and no one is looking for "false sympathy". Our job descriptions are self written based on what we deem as a group needs to be achieved to bring success to our company, thus all of us. We do so willingly with no slave driving at any level. The Glesser Family encourages we think freely, we question, we suggest, we disagree without anger and everyone’s opinion from Sal's to the janitor’s has equal value. This business communication chain fosters loyalty - we’re not required to do things we don’t feel are right, or feel overworked and the thought/fear of being replaced is very, very rarely seen here unless you’re a total mess-up or stealing. Many of us have worked in the corporate world before and appreciate the type of democracy and family we have here. I hope this helps you understand.

Have a great week everybody!

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Joyce Laituri wrote:

After asking ourselves these questions as a group, we did not deem creating a Spyderco Magazine a top priority right now. That will be revisited since I believe us to be an open minded company.
Nice! ;)


Joyce Laituri wrote:

....but Spyderco operates nearly opposite of this. Mike posted we’re a bit different, he wasn’t kidding. True, we’re a business and businesses run on money and processes but we operate more like family when making choices both financial and directional. As employees we have expected direction/duties and have bosses – yes even Sal does. I believe people here on this forum (and definitely here at Spyderco) are appreciative of Kristi’s hard work and no one is looking for "false sympathy". Our job descriptions are self written based on what we deem as a group needs to be achieved to bring success to our company, thus all of us. We do so willingly with no slave driving at any level. The Glesser Family encourages we think freely, we question, we suggest, we disagree without anger and everyone’s opinion from Sal's to the janitor’s has equal value. This business communication chain fosters loyalty - we’re not required to do things we don’t feel are right, or feel overworked and the thought/fear of being replaced is very, very rarely seen here unless you’re a total mess-up or stealing. Many of us have worked in the corporate world before and appreciate the type of democracy and family we have here. I hope this helps you understand.

Have a great week everybody!

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Thanks for an outstanding presentation of your company, and its values. If only other business had such a mentality! :)
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Toad310 wrote:
P.S. I'm writing this from a hotel room outside Ft. Lewis, WA. Kristi is one floor up. We're here for the SpecOps West trade show and Kristi skipped Mother's Day with her kids to be here to set up.
If you want the kind of job she has, this is something you know ahead that you will sacrifice.

I missed many events, and holidays running a business.

If you like your job, and moreover, wish to keep it, you have to do what is required. Period.

Again, forcing me to feel sorry for someone at a trade show, fun job to have, that is required, you miss things.

You can make up for it when you get home. My daughter who is in college, is thankful that I had provided her with a good life, knowing it cost silly holidays.

Business is business. You do what you are told to do, or you will be replaced...in a second. There is no loyalty in business, none. It does not matter what company, or boss, there is no loyalty in business. This is not me talking, this is part of the general theories of business, and business management.

Remember we are pushing 10% unenployement in America, so anyone with a job at this point in time should feel lucky.
Toad,
Since you have decided to direct a majority of your comments at or about me, I thought I might chime in.

I am very fortunate to work for Spyderco, to be a part of something special. I've never once denied that. Regardless of my workload or what is expected of me, I can assure you my expectations of myself are always much higher.

You seem to have a skewed sense of business. For that, I truly feel sympathy for you. I've never asked for sympathy from you. I've worked extensively in the corporate world and just as extensively in the world of small business. Spyderco fits like a round peg in a square hole in both of those worlds. This place is unique in more ways than you can imagine. You are of course free to assume whatever you'd like. And that's ok. Those of us actually working for Spyderco day in and day out know our reality.

Spyderco is much more than a name, a knife, a business. We are unique and Joyce's words were very accurate. We are a family. Not just a family-owned business, but an actual family. The people in this building matter. They've seen me through the birth of a child, the death of a parent and everything in between. So loyalty is given freely and equally from both directions.

I wish I could say that I'm sorry that our priorities or business practices don't match up with your own, but that wouldn't be true. I'm very happy that they in fact do not.

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TazKristi wrote:Toad,
Since you have decided to direct a majority of your comments at or about me, I thought I might chime in.

I am very fortunate to work for Spyderco, to be a part of something special. I've never once denied that. Regardless of my workload or what is expected of me, I can assure you my expectations of myself are always much higher.

You seem to have a skewed sense of business. For that, I truly feel sympathy for you. I've never asked for sympathy from you. I've worked extensively in the corporate world and just as extensively in the world of small business. Spyderco fits like a round peg in a square hole in both of those worlds. This place is unique in more ways than you can imagine. You are of course free to assume whatever you'd like. And that's ok. Those of us actually working for Spyderco day in and day out know our reality.

Spyderco is much more than a name, a knife, a business. We are unique and Joyce's words were very accurate. We are a family. Not just a family-owned business, but an actual family. The people in this building matter. They've seen me through the birth of a child, the death of a parent and everything in between. So loyalty is given freely and equally from both directions.

I wish I could say that I'm sorry that our priorities or business practices don't match up with your own, but that wouldn't be true. I'm very happy that they in fact do not.

Kristi
Dear Kristi,

Sorry, for what is a gross misunderstanding.

My response was to people who seem to feel sorry for others. The point was not directed to you, at all.

My statements were if you work in business, big or small you put in what you have to, and I did acknowledge you miss things at home, and I do as well. That was a compliment.

That is part of a modern workplace. There are so many workers that call in sick if a child coughs, and use it as an excuse.

If you go back, and read my post, I do have a dislike for others who feel sorry that someone is at a trade show or is busy.

I get it all the time as the events I cover are fun, but still very hard work and I, like you do not neglect duties. That is a another compliment. The fact you do go out for the good of a company shows dedication.

The comments that people say here and in other places, that someone is overworked, and has too much on their plate is false sympathy. Like I stated clearly above, I hate it when people do that to me, and maybe I choose to do things without the extra staffing, as it can just be easier. If I need help I get it, and I wager if you need help you can get it also.

As far as loyalty, even family businesses deal with some of the worst issues, again this is basic business theory.

Being busy can be part of the challenge, and I like to be busy. If I get too busy and reach the point where we could fall behind, I do call in help.

I can tell you my business skills are not skewed at all. Most of the work we do in politics, and corporate work, is at the highest levels together with the highest levels of society, and do require a very formal decorum, and proper protocol. If myself or my staff decides to go off on their own, that can cause major problems. We must stay well within the rules of good taste, and conduct ourselves with the utmost respect for the elegance of the setting, and provide the proper courtesy to the distinguished people to whom we work with, whether our on the record opinions may happen to conflict or disagree with their public ideas, and policy decisions. I require total neutrality outside of the walls of my office and studio.

Our motion picture, television, music, and entertainment clients do allow us to have a little more wit and interaction, while still respecting the client and their talent.

My company is based completely on trust, and perfect execution of logistical planning, like Spyderco, high quality with stellar service.

I do understand the progressive, and less formal workings of certain businesses, and they work well for many. I never brought Spyderco's workings, and communal style of idea sharing into question. I like the notion for your company, if not the Toad would never have been produced by any company. The knife I like best.

Skewed...Me? No. If you think this is easy...the answer is NO! However, an honor, privilege, and to be on the cutting edge of what is happening in the world the days we are involved, and to witness history is worth everything we must do, and endure.

Most of my job is planning and logistics for what I will be doing if working solo, or what my hand picked team is assigned to do is what makes my company selected by many of the best people and companies worldwide.

One of my biggest hassles are having so many stamps in my passport when clearing customs on commercial fights. All of us get asked many questions.

In the end it is all worth it, and I would not want to change having my own company at all.

You also mention the death of a parent. (With that mention, I tell this story as you and others may find it very unique)

My mom was very ill with cancer. A week before her passing, she knew of a high level job I had to coming up soon. She told me no matter what, I was to go on that job. She made me promise her not to cancel.

The very same day she died, three hours later, I directed a job for The President of the United States - Geo.H.W. Bush, in January, 1992

As the result of my situation, I was given the unheard of opportunity to bring my Fiancee (Now Wife) along in the "Security Bubble or Package", and did have a chance to speak in private with the president, who was shocked, I was able to take care of myself, and the project with no sign of such a personal disaster. He offered me anything he or anyone on his the staff could do for my situation.

As we left the room, the president, returned, no agents, no aides and gave me something. Only my wife, and close friends know what that item is.

This was not a very easy thing to do given the very complex nature of that arena of work. However, I did it. I went. Also, my mom was my last living relative.

A few months later, I was invited with my now wife Patti, to lunch on a trip aboard Air Force One, durring trip back to California, as a way of telling us thanks.

My mom was good friends of both President's Geo. H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan.

To this day, the president tells my story to people he knows, when we meet. (I have never told this story in a public setting, however, only to prove my skills while not perfect, are not at all skewed.)

I feel you misread-read my point, and I wanted to make it clear, some people make the owner's of your company sound like they may over work staff. Not uncommon in management.

Also, I do not know if you are part owner. I was trying do defend you as someone who knew what they were doing.

I had no intent to discredit or insult you. I do not have sympathy for you, as you do not ask for it...nor do I feel you need it whatsoever. It is the others who have a false sense of sympathy for you, and I was just stating I feel you must know what you are doing.

Respectfully, and with all best wishes,

Toad
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Joyce Laituri wrote:Hi Friends!

The original thread topic of making a Spyderco Annual has been considered here many, many times. The idea hasn’t evolved for a number of reasons:
1. Cost of production. 2. Yes- the consideration of man/woman-power to make it happen. 3. The question of redundancy since we have 3 Spyderco forums (with information shared almost instantaneously) and catalogs. 4. There’s the issue of our ongoing fluid product development, upgrades, changes, additions which we worry would make the publication’s shelf life short, incorrect or obsolete before it’s printed or shortly after. We move quickly and the print world crawls somewhat slower.

After asking ourselves these questions as a group, we did not deem creating a Spyderco Magazine a top priority right now. That will be revisited since I believe us to be an open minded company.

____________

Toad310 thank you for your insight. Spyderco is a very unique place to be. Your thoughts on how businesses operate are probably valid in many places but Spyderco operates nearly opposite of this. Mike posted we’re a bit different, he wasn’t kidding. True, we’re a business and businesses run on money and processes but we operate more like family when making choices both financial and directional. As employees we have expected direction/duties and have bosses – yes even Sal does. I believe people here on this forum (and definitely here at Spyderco) are appreciative of Kristi’s hard work and no one is looking for "false sympathy". Our job descriptions are self written based on what we deem as a group needs to be achieved to bring success to our company, thus all of us. We do so willingly with no slave driving at any level. The Glesser Family encourages we think freely, we question, we suggest, we disagree without anger and everyone’s opinion from Sal's to the janitor’s has equal value. This business communication chain fosters loyalty - we’re not required to do things we don’t feel are right, or feel overworked and the thought/fear of being replaced is very, very rarely seen here unless you’re a total mess-up or stealing. Many of us have worked in the corporate world before and appreciate the type of democracy and family we have here. I hope this helps you understand.

Have a great week everybody!

Joyce Laituri
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Joyce,

I do like your company, and the Ideas that come out of it, and I think maybe this has been taken wrong, and my intent was not, nor is to insult the Spyderco Company, and the employees.

My points arise from forum members who feel poeple at spyderco have too much to do and so on, and make statements.

So, if I said anything that was taken in offense, I am sorry. My only intent was to let people know that you can have many things going and it is productive.

Thus, no one need to feel sorry for your company.

And, this has been shifted way off topic, by me, and I have offended Kristi, when I did not have that in mind what so ever.

I do hope Kristi reads my last reply to her post, as all my intentions were to defend her and others in a moderm business world.

Also, I do like your post on the aspects of electronic media vs. print. Well stated.

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This will post will cease, and desist, hence forth and forever, and forthwith all business theories, lectures, concepts, models, ideas, opinions, management practices, as well as any company policy in regard to the operations of the Spyderco Company's products and said employees. and will begin at once.

If (I) Toad, persist in the discussion, or initiate, begin, start or enter back into any of the above stated topics, (I) Toad, will ask for my complete, and formal banishment of the Spyderco Forums to be served upon me with extreme prejudice. Signed TOAD, Palm Desert California, County of Riverside. On 15, May 2010. :eek:

I'm too tired to go on! If you have a Notary Public, have them apply their seal.

Best,

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Since a Spyderbook Vol II seems to be out of the question, I think an annual mag (like Glock puts out) is a splendid idea. The project would at least break even and may even show a modest profit, especially if professional writers were employed. The likes of Mas Ayoob, Steven Dick, Sheriff Wilson, Metcalf, etc. Standard format would be first half of mag is articles and reviews, last half is a comprehensive product catalog with specs and all the nerdy stuff. Package the issue with a "free" DVD (factory tour or somesuch) and you have an instant homerun. Make that a grand slam.

Great idea. I'm with it! :rolleyes:
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If the economics of a print edition are out, what about just putting articles up on the Spyderco website?

I have two other ideas to reduce the amount of work put into it. First, instead of doing an annual edition, make the articles come out throughout the year. If you get enough time to do a 'magalog' style article once a year, great, and if not and there are just smaller articles throughout the year, still great.

Second, there are so many knowledgeable people on the forum that rather than having every article written by someone at Spyderco, you could allow forumites to write and submit articles for consideration. The only potential work there is editing, but that's certainly less than writing a whole article. (One option to remove this work is to have forumite submissions first be reviewed by the forum. I teach English in college and would help, and there are plenty of others with a firm grasp on grammar around here--4077th just above me, for instance. Getting further off-topic, it might be interesting to have articles written on the forum by a conglomeration of members.)

That's not to say every article would be written by forum members. It would be supremely interesting, to me at least, to have articles from guest Spyderco designers (Shempp, Wilkins, Alex (dialex), etc.) talking about their new knife; by inner-company designers on anything from how they design to how a knife goes from sketch to our, the consumer's, hands (Sal, Eric); by other Spyderco employees about their job or something interesting that happened therein (Joyce, Kristi, Mike). Right now this happens, but it's all here piecemeal on the forum.
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Hi Toad,

I'd like to thank you for taking the time to explain to the crew your thoughts. Your credentials are obviously exceptional. Your success is no doubt hard won and I would guess that you also thank (whomever you thank) for your good fortune. (While falling ill to a disease is bad luck, not falling ill is good luck).

I'm sure that you understand that there are many different business models with different values at the core of each model. While we need to make profit to stay in business, Spyderco's business model is based on many factors other than maximizing profit. Those factors influence how we do things, which we are learning is somewhat different than most other businesses.

Alas, I will probably never be wealthy in money as you have become, but my rewards are still there in other areas.

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Oh Boy!! Now I'm replying to an english teacher....lolol. My dad taught russian and english so I should be used to it. Like your username phaust ;)

I like the idea of simply distilling, refining and augmenting what's already here on the forum. I confess to knowing nothing about business requirements and the like, but a centralized webplace for articles, reviews and tech stuff would be nice. I'd go there. There are a whole buch of extremely talented folks on this forum.

The great knives are still my priority, but to me the idea sounds pretty good.



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As mentioned, we're not opposed to some type of information for those interested. At this time, there is no one at Spyderco that can spare the time to even manage such a project, much less produce it. It is only through dedication that we can manage up-to-date information on our forums. I'm communicating with you today. Today is Saturday, isn't it?

However, many of the suggestions have value and I think should be discussed. If you want this, can you, as Phaust suggested, help make it happen?

How much information is wanted?
What type of information is desired?
Does it have to be on paper, or can it be digital?
How often would this be made available?
Need it be new information or an accumulation?
Can any of you spare the time to; research, organize, create, shoot phots, edir, etc.?

How many of you re really interested? 'twould be a shame to have 10 people spend a great deal of time and effort to create something that only 5 want. :o

Many great new concepts have come from thee forums. "Pass-arounds" are an example.

"Have knowledge will share".

I don't think that this could be done to be made profitable. To try to turn it into a revenue producer would require much much more. (selling advertising, paying writers, etc.). Somthing that I would prefer not to get involved with.

But if there are other ways or things that we can do to serve our customer, I'm willing to be part of the dialogue.

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How much information is wanted? Lots hahaha
What type of information is desired? First, Spyderco-specific information, including what it's like to work there, how things are done (like I said earlier, bringing a knife from a sketch to a prototype to in the consumer's hands), ideas that are kicking around, anything that happens with other designers or knife enthusiasts (meeting to discuss the Warrior is a good example that played out on the forums), other insights into production (like how the manufacturing of the Cat went wrong), even personal information (for instance, perhaps you go for a hike with your Temperance and talk about it). Second, from forumites, things like passaround results (that's a great idea Sal), knife-style use (hawkbill use, for example, I've seen a lot from people), personal use of various knives, etc. Third, non-Spyderco knife information, such as many of the posts Mr. Schempp (sorry for spelling that wrong earlier) and Mr. Janich make on the forum now.
Does it have to be on paper, or can it be digital?Digital works for me. Actually I'd prefer it, since it will mean more articles more often.
How often would this be made available?If I was designing the website, I would (1) add a section to the front of Spyderco.com to show the title and first few lines of the latest article followed by the titles of the next two (at least), (2) add an "Articles" tab to the top of the page, (3) add a forum section for drafting articles by people on the forum (Spyderco crew, too, if they want). Bonus points for adding the ability to comment on articles or link to a forum post for discussion (on a per-article basis). Another bonus would be 'tags' on each article, which are one-word links that when clicked bring up a list of all articles with that tag (for example, every article about the Endura would have an "Endura" tag so that if you read one article about it and want to learn more, you can click it and receive a list of other articles).
Need it be new information or an accumulation? Both are good, especially at first, given that the 'accumulated' information hasn't been written yet.
Can any of you spare the time to; research, organize, create, shoot phots, edir, etc.?Yes! I can't take pictures, but the rest I would do.

"I don't think that this could be done to be made profitable." Although there may not be direct profits from articles, it would mean more people going to Spyderco.com more often. Given that, even if they weren't articles 'pimping' Spyderco's knives, the store is right there, and I'd bet on more purchases through the site. Since there will be articles pimping Spyderco knives, it will generate interest in the knives. A personal example is the Warrior. The first time I saw that, I said, "WTF is that thing?" After reading the thread about its history, I wanted one.
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I think a line has been drawn, to VictorLious

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Hey Victor, a very large foot has landed on this thread. I would be up to a magalog type thing and am willing to help if I can for that type of online publication. Sal has drawn the lines. my interpretation was "Put up or shut up"

How much information is wanted?
What type of information is desired?
Does it have to be on paper, or can it be digital?
How often would this be made available?
Need it be new information or an accumulation?
Can any of you spare the time to; research, organize, create, shoot phots, edir, etc.?

I can help with research and organizing, creation, depending on what creation entails.

looking for your reply :)

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I'll leave this to phaust. phaust, if I can help let me know.

2 large feet have landed now. These touch typists..lolol

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If a cumulative will is not there it won't happen.

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I'd be interested in contributing. I believe a running series based on the Mules would be interesting. You could have user results based on the different models and some insight from the Spyderco crew on why the different steels were chosen.

I have a decent collection of fixed blades by Spyderco and would be willing to write an article on their features and usages that I've experienced. I believe an article on Delica's from our resident Delica collector would also be good. Others could write articles on the variations of Enduras, Kopas, Kiwi's, etc.
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sal wrote:Hi Toad,

I'd like to thank you for taking the time to explain to the crew your thoughts. Your credentials are obviously exceptional. Your success is no doubt hard won and I would guess that you also thank (whomever you thank) for your good fortune. (While falling ill to a disease is bad luck, not falling ill is good luck).

I'm sure that you understand that there are many different business models with different values at the core of each model. While we need to make profit to stay in business, Spyderco's business model is based on many factors other than maximizing profit. Those factors influence how we do things, which we are learning is somewhat different than most other businesses.

Alas, I will probably never be wealthy in money as you have become, but my rewards are still there in other areas.

sal
Sal,

Thank you so much for this reply. My intent was to compliment your workers, and my editing skills must be slipping. Sorry if anyone was offended, please tell them I am sorry.

While I have you, I just want to say I have loved Spyderco for years, since my first Co-Pilot. I can in no way compare myself to you. You are a "Captain of Industry." A true industry leader, and there are very few who can hold that title.

I am just a small businessman, who has worked hard, but not alone. My wife is what helped expand our business, I could not do it without her. Plus, I have had some very good luck.

Many people have helped my along the way, and as a way of thanking them, I do like help others, and we Comp. quite a bit of work to people, and organizations all the time.

One thing we do is give lectures to kids at the high school level, and I always tell them if you work hard, you really can do anything in America. Even in these very strange times.

Something your company does that I feel so good about are the Tan and Pink Native projects.

First, I come from a military family, my mom's brother, my uncle, was a West Point Graduate, and helped raise me. He was KIA in Vietnam. Second, as I spoke about in the earlier post, I lost my mom to cancer, so both of the Native projects, I think are a wonderful thing for you to do as so many others have had the same dreadful things to deal with.

My company does quite a bit for the veterans, here locally, and when I retire, I will do more as we have a new generation of men and women coming home needing many different things.

Again, thanks for the time, and I am sorry for the mis communique, not to mention the owner having to use his valuable time on a silly thing that is all my fault.

All the best,

Ned Redway
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