Who else has blade wobble on their black Calypso Jr?
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Fred Sanford
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Capt. Carl
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mine wobbles too. it's solid when locked but I can also see a gap between the two handles and the lockbar as well (light shines through)....I'm going to send my back to the dealer. I think the handles are not being pinned properly by both the pins. although it's ok (but still a gap between the FRN scales and the lockbar), it will only be a matter of time when the locked position starts to wobble as well.....and for $70, I expect a lot more.
this is the worst QC I've seen on a spyderco knife in my 7 years of using and buying spyderco products.
The Caly is my favourite line of spydies...the Caly 3 is my fav knife but this ZDP Caly is really disappointing! :eek:
The knife should really never have left the factory and gone to the dealers. I hope Sal or someone would look into this.
this is the worst QC I've seen on a spyderco knife in my 7 years of using and buying spyderco products.
The Caly is my favourite line of spydies...the Caly 3 is my fav knife but this ZDP Caly is really disappointing! :eek:
The knife should really never have left the factory and gone to the dealers. I hope Sal or someone would look into this.
spyken
What I find most disheartening is the fact that it's quite safe to assume that Spyderco is/has been aware of the issues with the Caly Jr. throughout its life cycle. As many know, there have been similar reports (warped blades, off-centr eblades, loose pivots, etc.) regarding all of the various versions of this knife, and yet it doesn't appear that any steps have been taken to address them. I also feel a bit bad for the dealers, who must be receiving a flood of returns, exchanges, and complaints recently, even though these quality issues were completely out of their hands. I'm curious what the response would be if someone sent one of the knives to Golden.
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The Mastiff
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I checked both of my new black zdp's. one has a bit of wobble untill it's open. They both lock up with no wobble, both mostly straight blades not touching. I'm satisfied. Spyderco,Thank you for another good knife that is a superior cutter/slicer. Joe
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there's no reason for wobble, and it shouldn't be acceptable. my grey Caly had zero wobble, and although off centered (warped) blade, wasn't that bad. My burgundy Caly was centered, zero wobble. So there's no reason for this wobble. I mean it's not a small play...it's moving a lot....would you accept this normally? does this happen for the Delicas and Enduras? (the construction is exactly the same)....
anyways, I'm sending it back to the Dealer, but I've just spent $25 shipping to and fro, with no knife to speak about. I hate saying less than complimentary stuff normally, so this really bums me out a lot, especially since I'm a big Spyderco fan.
anyways, I'm sending it back to the Dealer, but I've just spent $25 shipping to and fro, with no knife to speak about.
I hate saying less than complimentary stuff normally, so this really bums me out a lot, especially since I'm a big Spyderco fan.spyken
I also have problem with the knife.
1. The blade is wobble when close. When open, it lock up ok.
2. The backlock and the handle has a large space between them.
3. The center piece of the ZDP blade is not centered. At the end near to the tip, the ZDP end about 3 mm before it reach the tip.
This is a terrble QC problem for Spyderco. I never have any problem with Spyderco before (except Byrd line). This is bad for knife at 70$ range knife.
1. The blade is wobble when close. When open, it lock up ok.
2. The backlock and the handle has a large space between them.
3. The center piece of the ZDP blade is not centered. At the end near to the tip, the ZDP end about 3 mm before it reach the tip.
This is a terrble QC problem for Spyderco. I never have any problem with Spyderco before (except Byrd line). This is bad for knife at 70$ range knife.
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I still have had no response from Spyderco (Kristi/Joyce) after several weeks now. That's wierd as Spyderco is always very responsive.
In the meantime, I've had no choice but to fix it myself as I didn't want to spend more money on shipping...I tapped the pivot pins after removing the clip. It's not a perfect solution but it works for now.
In the meantime, I've had no choice but to fix it myself as I didn't want to spend more money on shipping...I tapped the pivot pins after removing the clip. It's not a perfect solution but it works for now.
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steve andrews
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The fit and finish is nowhere near as good as my grey VG-10 variant. Rough edges, gaps and stiff, clicky locks.
And would you be happy with the laminate lines of this blade?:
On one side the line is almost half way up the blade, on the other it is almost touching the bevel.
Yes, it's cosmetic - but it bothers me.
And would you be happy with the laminate lines of this blade?:
On one side the line is almost half way up the blade, on the other it is almost touching the bevel.
Yes, it's cosmetic - but it bothers me.
Yes, that would bug me to the max :eek:steve andrews wrote:The fit and finish is nowhere near as good as my grey VG-10 variant. Rough edges, gaps and stiff, clicky locks.
And would you be happy with the laminate lines of this blade?:
On one side the line is almost half way up the blade, on the other it is almost touching the bevel.
Yes, it's cosmetic - but it bothers me.
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If a tree falls in the woods does it make noise if no one is there to hear it fall?
Why does it bother anyone if the wield line (or whatever you want to call it) is different on each side of the blade? Doubtful you would ever reach the "lesser" steel in a lifetime of sharpening.
Normal people only see one side or the other at any one time (unless you have tentacle eyes). It is a user, use it happily. :)
Fiberglass reinforced nylon plastic handles with the bare minimum of premium steel isn't exactly a collector grade item. Not to mention this variable line has been long reported and known in the Caly line (not to mention all the other minimal gripes in this thread). I have to ask, why do folks buy these Calys and then complain about known factors?
Normal people only see one side or the other at any one time (unless you have tentacle eyes). It is a user, use it happily. :)
Fiberglass reinforced nylon plastic handles with the bare minimum of premium steel isn't exactly a collector grade item. Not to mention this variable line has been long reported and known in the Caly line (not to mention all the other minimal gripes in this thread). I have to ask, why do folks buy these Calys and then complain about known factors?
Follow the mushin, but pay it no heed.
I think the main issue that most people are concerned with is the expectation of a certain level of quality, fit and finish, etc., that is associated with a $100+ MSRP knife. "Known issues" that are cosmetic and relatively unavoidable such as the uneven lamination line are one thing. However, loose pivots, warped or "wobbly" blades, rough locks, or other QC issues shouldn't really turn up with frequency on knives such as these. For the record, mine is quite good in all these areas, and I've been extremely pleased with it. However, I can understand why others would be disappointed if their own knife's quality were sub-standard.zenheretic wrote:I have to ask, why do folks buy these Calys and then complain about known factors?
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zenheretic
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Warped blades have plagued the Calypso line from the get go...the other stuff is likely subjective...how many times can it be repeated that slight up down locked play is common but unrelated to knife safety in Spyderco lockbacks?Padawan wrote:I think the main issue that most people are concerned with is the expectation of a certain level of quality, fit and finish, etc., that is associated with a $100+ MSRP knife. "Known issues" that are cosmetic and relatively unavoidable such as the uneven lamination line are one thing. However, loose pivots, warped or "wobbly" blades, rough locks, or other QC issues shouldn't really turn up with frequency on knives such as these. For the record, mine is quite good in all these areas, and I've been extremely pleased with it. However, I can understand why others would be disappointed if their own knife's quality were sub-standard.
Send them into Spyderco if they are so bad, they will either fix them or state there is nothing wrong. Then report back. Otherwise this is just a BS dogpile.
Follow the mushin, but pay it no heed.
This is true, but that doesn't mean it should be acceptable on a current run of the knife. If the problem is so common that it is a "known issue", it's reasonable to assume that Spyderco is also aware of it. If that's the case, the source of the problem should be investigated and remedied. I even inquired about the warped blades in a prior post, and Sal replied that it wasn't common, and was more an issue of off-centre blades that only affected a small number of knives. Clearly, there is a discrepancy between what users report, and what Spyderco states in this instance.zenheretic wrote:Warped blades have plagued the Calypso line from the get go...
Yes, the other issues are somewhat subjective, but vertical play is not one of the common complaints. In this instance, it seems more about overall QC, and clearly, everyone has his or her own idea of the level of quality a knife such as this should exhibit.
Honestly, I'm not certain why you've chosen to take such a defensive stance in the discussion. No one is accusing you or Spyderco of anything. Feedback from the ELU is something that Spyderco welcomes, and something that has helped the company develop the excellent knives that it has. Negative feedback can be just as useful as the praise that is so much more common among Spyderco knives. As I stated, I'm extremely happy with my Caly Jr., but if others are not, they're entitled to express their reasons for their dissatisfaction.
Padawan wrote:What I find most disheartening is the fact that it's quite safe to assume that Spyderco is/has been aware of the issues with the Caly Jr. throughout its life cycle. As many know, there have been similar reports (warped blades, off-centr eblades, loose pivots, etc.) regarding all of the various versions of this knife, and yet it doesn't appear that any steps have been taken to address them. I also feel a bit bad for the dealers, who must be receiving a flood of returns, exchanges, and complaints recently, even though these quality issues were completely out of their hands. I'm curious what the response would be if someone sent one of the knives to Golden.
I have sold about 20 of the new ZDP-Calypso Jr's. NO RETURNS here...
I have 8 in inventory, and they all lock up tight...
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I was referring to the numerous posts I read on various forums where buyers stated that they were going to return or exchange their knives at the dealer (one of which had/sold many dozens of these). Regarding the lock-up, I don't think there have been any concerns with that, only with the other issues discussed in this thread.JspyEDC wrote:I have sold about 20 of the new ZDP-Calypso Jr's. NO RETURNS here...
I have 8 in inventory, and they all lock up tight...
sorry, but I feel the blade wobble in the closed position is not definitive of Spyderco blades. I'm a big Spyderco fan and have had 20 of them pass through my hands one time or another (half of them FRN ones and they don't have blade wobble in the close position - I have also had 2 of the Grey Calys, one black Caly, 2 burgundy Calys and no blade wobble). I agree with Padawan, the feedback is a constructive one and I've tried to comment fairly and with diplomacy.
As for the lamination....I've never seen that kind of uneven lamination, I'm a wee bit stumped!
Perhaps, it's just that some of us Spyderco fans really hold Spyderco to a very high esteem...it's a mark of respect (and hence the disappointment), not a sign of contempt (not saying this is being implied either - sorry).
YMMV, of course....everything's cool.
As for the lamination....I've never seen that kind of uneven lamination, I'm a wee bit stumped!
Perhaps, it's just that some of us Spyderco fans really hold Spyderco to a very high esteem...it's a mark of respect (and hence the disappointment), not a sign of contempt (not saying this is being implied either - sorry).
YMMV, of course....everything's cool.
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