Rock Jumper comparison thread + general info

[Wartstein]

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I sure wouldn't mind having a K390 version, but the VG-10 one will suit me just fine.

I think I've asked this already, but can't recall where and when:

As far as I know all the "Endura family" Seki FRN folders shall receive the K390 treatment evevtually (actually all have except the Stretch XL - ?)

Now: Does the Rockjumper belong to this "family" too?
After all it is Seki made,features FRN, VG10, a similar backlock... just not that ricasso, but then the Stretch does not too (but a choil) and still comes in K390...

[Evil D]

For me personally, I really like the handle from an ergonomics standpoint, but can't really tell you why. There's plenty of it and it gets out of the way and doesn't make itself noticeable in any way.

That's the secret, it's all about what it doesn't do that makes handles like this great. It doesn't force your grip, it doesn't cause hot spots, it doesn't not line up with your finger width spacing. I do think the above comment about "indexing" is a fair argument, it could have a more aggressive hook at the front of the handle to give more textile feedback to your index finger but you could probably tweak that a bit with a Dremel if you really hate it. I think my ideal knife is somewhere in between a Rock Jumper and a Shaman, with a more RJ shaped handle and no choil, with the thicker rounded scales, and with a no thumb ramp Shaman blade.

[Wartstein]

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That's the secret, it's all about what it doesn't do that makes handles like this great. It doesn't force your grip, it doesn't cause hot spots, it doesn't not line up with your finger width spacing. I do think the above comment about "indexing" is a fair argument, it could have a more aggressive hook at the front of the handle to give more textile feedback to your index finger but you could probably tweak that a bit with a Dremel if you really hate it. I think my ideal knife is somewhere in between a Rock Jumper and a Shaman, with a more RJ shaped handle and no choil, with the thicker rounded scales, and with a no thumb ramp Shaman blade.

Man, you were kidding in another thread about what would happen if Sal and Eric let you design a Spydie... seriously, I think the result would be something I´d definitely wanna buy..

[JSumm]

I think I've asked this already, but can't recall where and when:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=91732&start=20

I think here. Based on Sal's responses in multiple threads, not likely we will see a K390 Rock Jumper.

[Wartstein]

I think I've asked this already, but can't recall where and when:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=91732&start=20

I think here. Based on Sal's responses in multiple threads, not likely we will see a K390 Rock Jumper.

Thanks!

not the thread where I´ve asked this, but at least in August 22 Sals reply is pretty clear there (quote: "Sales are not there to justify the request." [for a K390 or Magnacut Rockjumper] - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=91732&start=20#p1647184

Perhaps the LEAF Jumper will sale better? And get the K390 treatment instead?

[Cl1ff]

For me personally, I really like the handle from an ergonomics standpoint, but can't really tell you why. There's plenty of it and it gets out of the way and doesn't make itself noticeable in any way.

That's the secret, it's all about what it doesn't do that makes handles like this great. It doesn't force your grip, it doesn't cause hot spots, it doesn't not line up with your finger width spacing. I do think the above comment about "indexing" is a fair argument, it could have a more aggressive hook at the front of the handle to give more textile feedback to your index finger but you could probably tweak that a bit with a Dremel if you really hate it. I think my ideal knife is somewhere in between a Rock Jumper and a Shaman, with a more RJ shaped handle and no choil, with the thicker rounded scales, and with a no thumb ramp Shaman blade.

We definitely have similar prefernces, because I feel mostly the same. Check out my recent comments in the thread about the Golden handle-forward backlock knife. It is not exactly the same idea, but I think expresses something similar in certain aspects.

[cjk]

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I sure wouldn't mind having a K390 version, but the VG-10 one will suit me just fine.

I think I've asked this already, but can't recall where and when:

As far as I know all the "Endura family" Seki FRN folders shall receive the K390 treatment evevtually (actually all have except the Stretch XL - ?)

Now: Does the Rockjumper belong to this "family" too?
After all it is Seki made,features FRN, VG10, a similar backlock... just not that ricasso, but then the Stretch does not too (but a choil) and still comes in K390...

Just for my own information, I'd like to understand what the "Endura family" actually means. Is that all the Seki-City FRN knives?

Seems like it's the Endura (duh), Delica, and Endela. Probably the Police and Dragonfly too.
Stretch? Manbug and Ladybug? I'm not sure where the lines get drawn.

Edit: it wouldn't make any sense to include the Seki Salts. Rock and Leaf-jumper? Matriarch? Lil' Temperance 3?

[James Y]

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I sure wouldn't mind having a K390 version, but the VG-10 one will suit me just fine.

I think I've asked this already, but can't recall where and when:

As far as I know all the "Endura family" Seki FRN folders shall receive the K390 treatment evevtually (actually all have except the Stretch XL - ?)

Now: Does the Rockjumper belong to this "family" too?
After all it is Seki made,features FRN, VG10, a similar backlock... just not that ricasso, but then the Stretch does not too (but a choil) and still comes in K390...

Just for my own information, I'd like to understand what the "Endura family" actually means. Is that all the Seki-City FRN knives?

Seems like it's the Endura (duh), Delica, and Endela. Probably the Police and Dragonfly too.
Stretch? Manbug and Ladybug? I'm not sure where the lines get drawn.

Edit: it wouldn't make any sense to include the Seki Salts. Rock and Leaf-jumper? Matriarch?

The Pacific Salt could technically be considered part of the 'Endura Family.'

Jim

[cjk]

The Pacific Salt could technically be considered part of the 'Endura Family.'

Jim

I certainly agree with you, though a K390 "salt" knife wouldn't make much of any sense.

[Wartstein]

Just for my own information, I'd like to understand what the "Endura family" actually means. Is that all the Seki-City FRN knives?

Seems like it's the Endura (duh), Delica, and Endela. Probably the Police and Dragonfly too.
Stretch? Manbug and Ladybug? I'm not sure where the lines get drawn.

I am not entirely sure either - that´s why I figured perhaps the Rock Jumper could belong to the "Endura family": Seki, FRN (with the typical pattern) , liners, VG10, similar backlock...

- Now yes, Endura, Endela, Delica are a given

- Concerning the Stretch: I am quite sure that one of the things I read about it, is that it was meant to fill the gap between the Endura and the Delica, much like the Endela - but did not sell really well.
Now the Stretch is as close to Endura/Endela/Delica as the Rock Jumper is: Main differences are the handels with no "finger bumps" and no ricassos (one "handle forward", one a choil)
Since the Stretch already GOT the K390 treatment and I think I heard that all "Endura family knives will eventually - (? ) that would be a stong hint that Spyderco counts it in there

- Subjectively I would count the DFly also in that family... main difference: No liners and a choil... but also available in K390 already...

- And: Probably the Police is the largest member then?!
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[Evil D]

Man, you were kidding in another thread about what would happen if Sal and Eric let you design a Spydie... seriously, I think the result would be something I´d definitely wanna buy..

I've got a sketch but that's all I've got, who knows if the engineering behind it is possible.

[Wartstein]

Man, you were kidding in another thread about what would happen if Sal and Eric let you design a Spydie... seriously, I think the result would be something I´d definitely wanna buy..

I've got a sketch but that's all I've got, who knows if the engineering behind it is possible.

... In any case with your design an SE version would be guaranteed...

[SaltyCaribbeanDfly]

Got a Leaf jumper at a local shop yesterday….wanted the SE too but they didn’t have one or any RJ’s…I love this knife-reminds me of my Caribbean only smaller and yet the ergos are excellent…slicey yet stout…if spyderco would make one in magnacut and orange frn it would probably never leave my pocket…for some reason these stains appeared on it after only a few hours…from what? I have no idea…I cut cardboard/lemons/grapes/lettuce/bratwurst/feather sticks from oak & pine/paper and an apple…not worried about it cause I don’t really care-purty hard on knives…always wanted to force patina on cold steel anyway, just kinda odd on vg10…this pic is after I wiped it down

[SaltyCaribbeanDfly]

What I’d really like?

Rock Jumper - Orange - Magnacut - PE/SE - frn

Leaf Jumper - same specs as Rock Jumper PE/SE

Siren - Same as above only g10

[Wartstein]

What I’d really like?

Rock Jumper - Orange - Magnacut - PE/SE - frn

Leaf Jumper - same specs as Rock Jumper PE/SE

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... nice!

... linerless of course then. And this and the bright color would make the Rock Jumper also a true climbing/mountaineering option!!

[mikey177]

It was probably the lemons. I have also noticed that VG10 can stain easily.

[elena86]

For me personally, I really like the handle from an ergonomics standpoint, but can't really tell you why. There's plenty of it and it gets out of the way and doesn't make itself noticeable in any way.

That's the secret, it's all about what it doesn't do that makes handles like this great. It doesn't force your grip, it doesn't cause hot spots, it doesn't not line up with your finger width spacing. I do think the above comment about "indexing" is a fair argument, it could have a more aggressive hook at the front of the handle to give more textile feedback to your index finger but you could probably tweak that a bit with a Dremel if you really hate it. I think my ideal knife is somewhere in between a Rock Jumper and a Shaman, with a more RJ shaped handle and no choil, with the thicker rounded scales, and with a no thumb ramp Shaman blade.

Why bother ?! We have the Carribean… the most comfortable choil-less spydie in almost any grip, even for my medium hand. Just saying…

[Wartstein]

Why bother ?! We have the Carribean… the most comfortable choil-less spydie in almost any grip, even for my medium hand. Just saying…

True of course.

But it is still more or less different to a rockjumper-ish knife, depending on what a certain person emphasizes

- I prefer FRN over G10
- Same goes for VG10 over LC200N
- And the locks differ.
Especially in an harder use, outdoorsy folder I'd want a backlock, not a comp.lock. Not only cause of the lock itself, but also cause of the different ergos coming with it (closed back more like on a fixed blade handle, no comp. lock cutout)

Just my 2 c, but I really hope that that rumored "Sequoia / Leaf Jumper XL" will give us a "backlock Caribbean"

[Evil D]

Why bother ?! We have the Carribean… the most comfortable choil-less spydie in almost any grip, even for my medium hand. Just saying…

As close as it is there are still a few things I'd change on the Caribbean but it's definitely in the same ball park.

[SaltyCaribbeanDfly]

What I’d really like?

Rock Jumper - Orange - Magnacut - PE/SE - frn

Leaf Jumper - same specs as Rock Jumper PE/SE

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... nice!

... linerless of course then. And this and the bright color would make the Rock Jumper also a true climbing/mountaineering option!!

LETS GO!!!