MAP policy change? 35%

[wsdavies]

I'd say it's time for a knife dealer to chime in and add some real world information to this debate. 1st off I sell Spyderco because I love the brand and respect Sal Glesser and his way of treating people. I don't sell it because there is a lot of money in it, because there isn't. Let's use the venerable Spyderco Paramilitary 2 as an example. Digi-Satin. $125.97 MAP price. So Paypal or who ever processes payments is going to take their 2-3%..lets call it 2.5%. So now we are at $122.82. 1st class shipping in a decent box packaged right costs about $4.50. Everyone these days expects free shipping. So now you are at $118.32. Add in the cost of liability insurance, theft insurance, labor to maintain inventory and package/ship, electricity, rent, website costs, advertising, and basic admin and you are prob at $110.00 per knife. At $110 per knife the dealer is making like $5. That's before the pissed off customer calls you wanting to return it because the centering is not absolutely perfect or they don't like the digi pattern on this knife and want you to scavenge through your inventory and take pics and ship them a replacement and cover the shipping again...now you at zero on the knife. Let me tell you as a person who is in business to pay their bills and feed their kids it's not a very enticing scenario. So let's say you sell 100 PM2s in a year. That's less then $500 for a whole lot of work. Now take a $75 Delica and halve the profit. In this thread I've seen quite a few comments saying dealers don't take less then MAP so it amounts to price fixing. BS, the reason they don't take less then MAP is they are trying to run a business, and anything less and they aren't making anything. The bottom line is the bottom line. That's the reason you don't see Spyderco in a lot of local shops, there just isn't enough to be made to make it worth their while. Like I said, I sell Spyderco because I love the knives, the company and the brand. This is a business with a soul, unlike some others that are just big corporate machines. So say what you want about MAP, but if enforced that 5% is a huge deal from most small knife dealers. It's the difference between selling Spyderco and not. My 2 cents.

[curlyhairedboy]

I'd say it's time for a knife dealer to chime in and add some real world information to this debate. 1st off I sell Spyderco because I love the brand and respect Sal Glesser and his way of treating people. I don't sell it because there is a lot of money in it, because there isn't. Let's use the venerable Spyderco Paramilitary 2 as an example. Digi-Satin. $125.97 MAP price. So Paypal or who ever processes payments is going to take their 2-3%..lets call it 2.5%. So now we are at $122.82. 1st class shipping in a decent box packaged right costs about $4.50. Everyone these days expects free shipping. So now you are at $118.32. Add in the cost of liability insurance, theft insurance, labor to maintain inventory and package/ship, electricity, rent, website costs, advertising, and basic admin and you are prob at $110.00 per knife. At $110 per knife the dealer is making like $5. That's before the pissed off customer calls you wanting to return it because the centering is not absolutely perfect or they don't like the digi pattern on this knife and want you to scavenge through your inventory and take pics and ship them a replacement and cover the shipping again...now you at zero on the knife. Let me tell you as a person who is in business to pay their bills and feed their kids it's not a very enticing scenario. So let's say you sell 100 PM2s in a year. That's less then $500 for a whole lot of work. Now take a $75 Delica and halve the profit. In this thread I've seen quite a few comments saying dealers don't take less then MAP so it amounts to price fixing. BS, the reason they don't take less then MAP is they are trying to run a business, and anything less and they aren't making anything. The bottom line is the bottom line. That's the reason you don't see Spyderco in a lot of local shops, there just isn't enough to be made to make it worth their while. Like I said, I sell Spyderco because I love the knives, the company and the brand. This is a business with a soul, unlike some others that are just big corporate machines. So say what you want about MAP, but if enforced that 5% is a huge deal from most small knife dealers. It's the difference between selling Spyderco and not. My 2 cents.

thank you for your input!

[Eli Chaps]

I'd say it's time for a knife dealer to chime in and add some real world information to this debate...

Thank you indeed.

[anycal]

I'd say it's time for a knife dealer to chime in and add some real world information to this debate...

Well ain't that something. If this is in fact the case, that is eye opening.

I still can't believe how many pages of complaints and borderline boycotts this topic generated.

Price is one thing, and even with the increase, I still see :spyder: as a great value. Add to it very active community (two forums), with information, support, and insider involvement, I don't understand the overwhelming sentiment here.

[ChrisinHove]

Knowing already what many people think about MAP, judging by the reaction to it when it was first introduced, it is a little surprising that Spyderco weren't up front about these changes. "Our valued dealers need a little more support", perhaps.

[bouhunter]

I'd say it's time for a knife dealer to chime in and add some real world information to this debate. 1st off I sell Spyderco because I love the brand and respect Sal Glesser and his way of treating people. I don't sell it because there is a lot of money in it, because there isn't. Let's use the venerable Spyderco Paramilitary 2 as an example. Digi-Satin. $125.97 MAP price. So Paypal or who ever processes payments is going to take their 2-3%..lets call it 2.5%. So now we are at $122.82. 1st class shipping in a decent box packaged right costs about $4.50. Everyone these days expects free shipping. So now you are at $118.32. Add in the cost of liability insurance, theft insurance, labor to maintain inventory and package/ship, electricity, rent, website costs, advertising, and basic admin and you are prob at $110.00 per knife. At $110 per knife the dealer is making like $5. That's before the pissed off customer calls you wanting to return it because the centering is not absolutely perfect or they don't like the digi pattern on this knife and want you to scavenge through your inventory and take pics and ship them a replacement and cover the shipping again...now you at zero on the knife. Let me tell you as a person who is in business to pay their bills and feed their kids it's not a very enticing scenario. So let's say you sell 100 PM2s in a year. That's less then $500 for a whole lot of work. Now take a $75 Delica and halve the profit. In this thread I've seen quite a few comments saying dealers don't take less then MAP so it amounts to price fixing. BS, the reason they don't take less then MAP is they are trying to run a business, and anything less and they aren't making anything. The bottom line is the bottom line. That's the reason you don't see Spyderco in a lot of local shops, there just isn't enough to be made to make it worth their while. Like I said, I sell Spyderco because I love the knives, the company and the brand. This is a business with a soul, unlike some others that are just big corporate machines. So say what you want about MAP, but if enforced that 5% is a huge deal from most small knife dealers. It's the difference between selling Spyderco and not. My 2 cents.

Thanks. This would certainly explain why there are so few B&M stores selling Spyderco's. Even the ones I do see, there are usually very few models and at way over MAP pricing.

[SG89]

I still can't believe how many pages of complaints and borderline boycotts this topic generated.

Price is one thing, and even with the increase, I still see :spyder: as a great value. Add to it very active community (two forums), with information, support, and insider involvement, I don't understand the overwhelming sentiment here.

I don't understand either but I started buying spydies in 2015 so I don't really have much pre-map experience but I prefer the newer spydies to the older ones no question

[gaj999]

I don't understand either but I started buying spydies in 2015 so I don't really have much pre-map experience but I prefer the newer spydies to the older ones no question

My take is that things have moved in the direction of pocket bling, so yeah, some of the new models are really cool. Bang for the buck if you're buying a user? Not so much. TBH, the only new model that interests me right now is the lightweight Chappie, and that's only because of the thin blade.

[vivi]

I don't understand either but I started buying spydies in 2015 so I don't really have much pre-map experience but I prefer the newer spydies to the older ones no question

My take is that things have moved in the direction of pocket bling, so yeah, some of the new models are really cool. Bang for the buck if you're buying a user? Not so much. TBH, the only new model that interests me right now is the lightweight Chappie, and that's only because of the thin blade.

I agree.

I remember when the Para 2 and G10 Manix 2 came out it was a big deal that Spyderco was able to offer them for under $100. I think I paid $97 after tax from a brick and mortar store for my Para 2, and I know my Police 3 came just under $125 when I purchased one from the first run. I can also remember paying under $120 after taxes for my first brand new Military, and less than $25 for a G10 Byrd.

I still think there are plenty of high value offerings in their catalogue, but I feel the focus is on collectors before users these days.

Spyderco also has dramatically shifted their focus towards office workers and European sensibilities.

That's great if you fall into those demographics, but if you don't, it's bad news. I look at a lot of knives in their catalogue and think about how I couldn't get a good grip on such a small knife or how I wouldn't want to take such a pretty knife out into the woods to get dirty and beat up.

I'm hoping 2018 sees the revitalization of their <$100 FRN folders, hopefully with some LC200N.

[Wrathhog]

I'd say it's time for a knife dealer to chime in and add some real world information to this debate. 1st off I sell Spyderco because I love the brand and respect Sal Glesser and his way of treating people. I don't sell it because there is a lot of money in it, because there isn't. Let's use the venerable Spyderco Paramilitary 2 as an example. Digi-Satin. $125.97 MAP price. So Paypal or who ever processes payments is going to take their 2-3%..lets call it 2.5%. So now we are at $122.82. 1st class shipping in a decent box packaged right costs about $4.50. Everyone these days expects free shipping. So now you are at $118.32. Add in the cost of liability insurance, theft insurance, labor to maintain inventory and package/ship, electricity, rent, website costs, advertising, and basic admin and you are prob at $110.00 per knife. At $110 per knife the dealer is making like $5. That's before the pissed off customer calls you wanting to return it because the centering is not absolutely perfect or they don't like the digi pattern on this knife and want you to scavenge through your inventory and take pics and ship them a replacement and cover the shipping again...now you at zero on the knife. Let me tell you as a person who is in business to pay their bills and feed their kids it's not a very enticing scenario. So let's say you sell 100 PM2s in a year. That's less then $500 for a whole lot of work. Now take a $75 Delica and halve the profit. In this thread I've seen quite a few comments saying dealers don't take less then MAP so it amounts to price fixing. BS, the reason they don't take less then MAP is they are trying to run a business, and anything less and they aren't making anything. The bottom line is the bottom line. That's the reason you don't see Spyderco in a lot of local shops, there just isn't enough to be made to make it worth their while. Like I said, I sell Spyderco because I love the knives, the company and the brand. This is a business with a soul, unlike some others that are just big corporate machines. So say what you want about MAP, but if enforced that 5% is a huge deal from most small knife dealers. It's the difference between selling Spyderco and not. My 2 cents.

So your cost on a PM2 is $105? Not sure I believe that.

[wsdavies]

Don't take my word for it, go out get your business license setup and become a dealer and find out for yourself what dealer price is. Technically it's $104.95.

I'd say it's time for a knife dealer to chime in and add some real world information to this debate. 1st off I sell Spyderco because I love the brand and respect Sal Glesser and his way of treating people. I don't sell it because there is a lot of money in it, because there isn't. Let's use the venerable Spyderco Paramilitary 2 as an example. Digi-Satin. $125.97 MAP price. So Paypal or who ever processes payments is going to take their 2-3%..lets call it 2.5%. So now we are at $122.82. 1st class shipping in a decent box packaged right costs about $4.50. Everyone these days expects free shipping. So now you are at $118.32. Add in the cost of liability insurance, theft insurance, labor to maintain inventory and package/ship, electricity, rent, website costs, advertising, and basic admin and you are prob at $110.00 per knife. At $110 per knife the dealer is making like $5. That's before the pissed off customer calls you wanting to return it because the centering is not absolutely perfect or they don't like the digi pattern on this knife and want you to scavenge through your inventory and take pics and ship them a replacement and cover the shipping again...now you at zero on the knife. Let me tell you as a person who is in business to pay their bills and feed their kids it's not a very enticing scenario. So let's say you sell 100 PM2s in a year. That's less then $500 for a whole lot of work. Now take a $75 Delica and halve the profit. In this thread I've seen quite a few comments saying dealers don't take less then MAP so it amounts to price fixing. BS, the reason they don't take less then MAP is they are trying to run a business, and anything less and they aren't making anything. The bottom line is the bottom line. That's the reason you don't see Spyderco in a lot of local shops, there just isn't enough to be made to make it worth their while. Like I said, I sell Spyderco because I love the knives, the company and the brand. This is a business with a soul, unlike some others that are just big corporate machines. So say what you want about MAP, but if enforced that 5% is a huge deal from most small knife dealers. It's the difference between selling Spyderco and not. My 2 cents.

So your cost on a PM2 is $105? Not sure I believe that.

[SG89]

I don't understand either but I started buying spydies in 2015 so I don't really have much pre-map experience but I prefer the newer spydies to the older ones no question

My take is that things have moved in the direction of pocket bling, so yeah, some of the new models are really cool. Bang for the buck if you're buying a user? Not so much. TBH, the only new model that interests me right now is the lightweight Chappie, and that's only because of the thin blade.

let me clarify by newer I mean the current designs of the native5 and delica4 and so on. the cqi spyderco does on their own designs is what keeps me coming back to the brand. all my spydies are users. I can't afford pocket jewelry and have owned very few spyderco collaborations and generally have always bought sal/eric designs. seems like a lot of the knives that get discontinued are the expensive collaborations. I still think the df2, d4, e4, n5 lw and m2 lw are a lot of bang for your buck even if their price does go up 8.3 percent.

[Eli Chaps]

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I still think there are plenty of high value offerings in their catalogue, but I feel the focus is on collectors before users these days.

Spyderco also has dramatically shifted their focus towards office workers and European sensibilities.

...

How can you say that with all the "workers" that have come out? The Carribean, the new Salt models, all of the testing and development of LC200N, the Fishhunter, the Jumpmaster 2, the budget line additions, and so on are all pretty fine examples of a commitment to user knives. I think there's a huge range of styles, steels, sizes, and prices in their catalog. I don't see a bias to much of anything save the recent fascination with the compression lock.

[anycal]

I think we get it. Small number of you have huge hands, sweat a lot, and only consider a very limited number of knives for EDC.

Let the rest of us that don’t fit that mold enjoy what works for us.

Pocket jewelry... you gotta be kidding me.

[Popsickle]

I'd say it's time for a knife dealer to chime in and add some real world information to this debate. 1st off I sell Spyderco because I love the brand and respect Sal Glesser and his way of treating people. I don't sell it because there is a lot of money in it, because there isn't. Let's use the venerable Spyderco Paramilitary 2 as an example. Digi-Satin. $125.97 MAP price. So Paypal or who ever processes payments is going to take their 2-3%..lets call it 2.5%. So now we are at $122.82. 1st class shipping in a decent box packaged right costs about $4.50. Everyone these days expects free shipping. So now you are at $118.32. Add in the cost of liability insurance, theft insurance, labor to maintain inventory and package/ship, electricity, rent, website costs, advertising, and basic admin and you are prob at $110.00 per knife. At $110 per knife the dealer is making like $5. That's before the pissed off customer calls you wanting to return it because the centering is not absolutely perfect or they don't like the digi pattern on this knife and want you to scavenge through your inventory and take pics and ship them a replacement and cover the shipping again...now you at zero on the knife. Let me tell you as a person who is in business to pay their bills and feed their kids it's not a very enticing scenario. So let's say you sell 100 PM2s in a year. That's less then $500 for a whole lot of work. Now take a $75 Delica and halve the profit. In this thread I've seen quite a few comments saying dealers don't take less then MAP so it amounts to price fixing. BS, the reason they don't take less then MAP is they are trying to run a business, and anything less and they aren't making anything. The bottom line is the bottom line. That's the reason you don't see Spyderco in a lot of local shops, there just isn't enough to be made to make it worth their while. Like I said, I sell Spyderco because I love the knives, the company and the brand. This is a business with a soul, unlike some others that are just big corporate machines. So say what you want about MAP, but if enforced that 5% is a huge deal from most small knife dealers. It's the difference between selling Spyderco and not. My 2 cents.

Very interesting to hear things from that side of the business. Eye opening to say the least. Thanks for the info

[vivi]

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I still think there are plenty of high value offerings in their catalogue, but I feel the focus is on collectors before users these days.

Spyderco also has dramatically shifted their focus towards office workers and European sensibilities.

...

How can you say that with all the "workers" that have come out? The Carribean, the new Salt models, all of the testing and development of LC200N, the Fishhunter, the Jumpmaster 2, the budget line additions, and so on are all pretty fine examples of a commitment to user knives. I think there's a huge range of styles, steels, sizes, and prices in their catalog. I don't see a bias to much of anything save the recent fascination with the compression lock.

The LC200N steel is pretty much the main reason I check these forums. I've been very vocal in my support of it and have a few hundred dollars tucked away for when they use it in a model that works for me.

I've gifted 3 Byrds and one Efficient so far this year.

I think the D4 and E4 handles are a dramatic step back from the D3/E3 versions. I own as many Pacific Salts as I do all other models combined, largely because I stocked up before they switched handles. Did the same for Tasman Salt 1's. I am not enthusiastic about them making the ergonomics worse on my favorite line of knives from any company, and I am now worried that should the spyderhawk ever come back it'll sport the E4 handle.

I absolutely see a bias with producing smaller knives over big knives, at least when it comes to folders. I am not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.

How many folding knives did Spyderco release this year with more than 4" of cutting edge? How many did they release with 2.5-2.9 inches of cutting edge? If I had to guess, it's probably something like a 1 to 30 ratio, is it not?

I'm just pointing out facts. Spyderco has chosen to do a worse job catering towards folks who enjoy large folders than their competitors. That is their choice as a business, just as it is my choice as a consumer to look elsewhere if they refuse to fill that niche.

I think we get it. Small number of you have huge hands, sweat a lot, and only consider a very limited number of knives for EDC.

Let the rest of us that don’t fit that mold enjoy what works for us.

Pocket jewelry... you gotta be kidding me.

So pakkawood is functionally superior to FRN how?

Sorry I have my preferences and that I would like my favorite knife company to cater to them. Must be rough having that happen for you without having to make special requests. I'd love to be in that position.

[Eli Chaps]

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I still think there are plenty of high value offerings in their catalogue, but I feel the focus is on collectors before users these days.

Spyderco also has dramatically shifted their focus towards office workers and European sensibilities.

...

How can you say that with all the "workers" that have come out? The Carribean, the new Salt models, all of the testing and development of LC200N, the Fishhunter, the Jumpmaster 2, the budget line additions, and so on are all pretty fine examples of a commitment to user knives. I think there's a huge range of styles, steels, sizes, and prices in their catalog. I don't see a bias to much of anything save the recent fascination with the compression lock.

The LC200N steel is pretty much the main reason I check these forums. I've been very vocal in my support of it and have a few hundred dollars tucked away for when they use it in a model that works for me.

I've gifted 3 Byrds and one Efficient so far this year.

I think the D4 and E4 handles are a dramatic step back from the D3/E3 versions. I own as many Pacific Salts as I do all other models combined, largely because I stocked up before they switched handles. Did the same for Tasman Salt 1's. I am not enthusiastic about them making the ergonomics worse on my favorite line of knives from any company, and I am now worried that should the spyderhawk ever come back it'll sport the E4 handle.

I absolutely see a bias with producing smaller knives over big knives, at least when it comes to folders. I am not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.

How many folding knives did Spyderco release this year with more than 4" of cutting edge? How many did they release with 2.5-2.9 inches of cutting edge? If I had to guess, it's probably something like a 1 to 30 ratio, is it not?

I'm just pointing out facts. Spyderco has chosen to do a worse job catering towards folks who enjoy large folders than their competitors. That is their choice as a business, just as it is my choice as a consumer to look elsewhere if they refuse to fill that niche.

I think we get it. Small number of you have huge hands, sweat a lot, and only consider a very limited number of knives for EDC.

Let the rest of us that don’t fit that mold enjoy what works for us.

Pocket jewelry... you gotta be kidding me.

So pakkawood is functionally superior to FRN how?

Sorry I have my preferences and that I would like my favorite knife company to cater to them. Must be rough having that happen for you without having to make special requests. I'd love to be in that position.

Wait a minute now...There is a massive difference between you thinking they aren't making enough big knives to suit your tastes and making the declaration that they aren't focused on user knives and catering to office workers. You've made your infatuation with big knives well known but that doesn't mean all of us have declared small knives to be dainty letter openers. I put a saber-ground Delica 4 through daily very hard use (think routinely cutting what is basically ceramic felt up to .5" thick) and more and performed extremely well. I need strength and nimbleness depending what I was doing. That knife was my only carry knife for several years and saw duty from boxes to the deep woods and never one time did I feel like I was under-knifed. In fact, looking back, I wish i would've tried the Dragonfly sooner as I think it might have been even better suited to many of the tasks I performed.

And, just because a knife is "smaller" doesn't mean it is somehow dainty and therefore only suited to offices. I mean really?

Let's not let our personal preferences be the paint that slathers a really broad brush. I see a bunch of users in the line-up. I reckon re-engineering the Chaparral to be a lower-cost FRN model is the latest proof of trying make users. They could've easily kept that in the higher end market and had they, i wouldn't own one. But, at the lower cost I will own one and if it fits my desires, I'll use it.

I've hacked through brush around the globe. I used pruning sheers, a heavy-spined fixed blade or maybe even a machete. I never used a folding knife. I use kitchen knives in the kitchen and hatchets to split wood.

But, to each their own.

[vivi]

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I still think there are plenty of high value offerings in their catalogue, but I feel the focus is on collectors before users these days.

Spyderco also has dramatically shifted their focus towards office workers and European sensibilities.

...

How can you say that with all the "workers" that have come out? The Carribean, the new Salt models, all of the testing and development of LC200N, the Fishhunter, the Jumpmaster 2, the budget line additions, and so on are all pretty fine examples of a commitment to user knives. I think there's a huge range of styles, steels, sizes, and prices in their catalog. I don't see a bias to much of anything save the recent fascination with the compression lock.

The LC200N steel is pretty much the main reason I check these forums. I've been very vocal in my support of it and have a few hundred dollars tucked away for when they use it in a model that works for me.

I've gifted 3 Byrds and one Efficient so far this year.

I think the D4 and E4 handles are a dramatic step back from the D3/E3 versions. I own as many Pacific Salts as I do all other models combined, largely because I stocked up before they switched handles. Did the same for Tasman Salt 1's. I am not enthusiastic about them making the ergonomics worse on my favorite line of knives from any company, and I am now worried that should the spyderhawk ever come back it'll sport the E4 handle.

I absolutely see a bias with producing smaller knives over big knives, at least when it comes to folders. I am not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.

How many folding knives did Spyderco release this year with more than 4" of cutting edge? How many did they release with 2.5-2.9 inches of cutting edge? If I had to guess, it's probably something like a 1 to 30 ratio, is it not?

I'm just pointing out facts. Spyderco has chosen to do a worse job catering towards folks who enjoy large folders than their competitors. That is their choice as a business, just as it is my choice as a consumer to look elsewhere if they refuse to fill that niche.

I think we get it. Small number of you have huge hands, sweat a lot, and only consider a very limited number of knives for EDC.

Let the rest of us that don’t fit that mold enjoy what works for us.

Pocket jewelry... you gotta be kidding me.

So pakkawood is functionally superior to FRN how?

Sorry I have my preferences and that I would like my favorite knife company to cater to them. Must be rough having that happen for you without having to make special requests. I'd love to be in that position.

Wait a minute now...There is a massive difference between you thinking they aren't making enough big knives to suit your tastes and making the declaration that they aren't focused on user knives and catering to office workers. You've made your infatuation with big knives well known but that doesn't mean all of us have declared small knives to be dainty letter openers. I put a saber-ground Delica 4 through daily very hard use (think routinely cutting what is basically ceramic felt up to .5" thick) and more and performed extremely well. I need strength and nimbleness depending what I was doing. That knife was my only carry knife for several years and saw duty from boxes to the deep woods and never one time did I feel like I was under-knifed. In fact, looking back, I wish i would've tried the Dragonfly sooner as I think it might have been even better suited to many of the tasks I performed.

And, just because a knife is "smaller" doesn't mean it is somehow dainty and therefore only suited to offices. I mean really?

Let's not let our personal preferences be the paint that slathers a really broad brush. I see a bunch of users in the line-up. I reckon re-engineering the Chaparral to be a lower-cost FRN model is the latest proof of trying make users. They could've easily kept that in the higher end market and had they, i wouldn't own one. But, at the lower cost I will own one and if it fits my desires, I'll use it.

I've hacked through brush around the globe. I used pruning sheers, a heavy-spined fixed blade or maybe even a machete. I never used a folding knife. I use kitchen knives in the kitchen and hatchets to split wood.

But, to each their own.

I never said small knives are fragile. Delicas are plenty strong for the work I do with folders, even in full flat grind. I can't find a way to comfortably fit four fingers on the handle of a Delica, that's my main issue with the model.

If I give you a pair of shoes 5 sizes too small for your feet and you refuse to use them, is it necessarily because it is too dainty of a shoe design? Or would you rather purchase shoes that fit your body? Like I said, Delicas are shorter than my palm is wide. I can't help what size my hands are.

And, just because a knife is "smaller" doesn't mean it is somehow dainty and therefore only suited to offices. I mean really?

I never said that either. You're talking to someone that has literally chopped down trees and batoned the trunks in half with a UKPK of all things, just to see how it fares against bigger knives. Small knives are plenty tough for me. I EDC'd Swiss Army Knives before I got into Spyderco, and if anything my first Spydie (Saber ground delica 4) disappointed me with how it cut in comparison, because it was so thick and over built. But, Spyderco being the great company they are, they updated the model to full flat grind.

It's the majority of users here (and other knife forums) that make the association between small folders and the office environment. I can't count on all four limbs how many times people have said "work in an office, so a dragonfly/urban/chap is a sensible EDC for me, but I love carrying my Military outdoors." Which I find ironic because when I hike I'd rather have the lighter knife as opposed to sitting in a chair all day where the weight doesn't matter.

If I know I'm going through some straight up bush of course I'll pack a machete. Sometimes the unexpected happens. Ever hear of disc golf? It's like regular golf played through the middle of the woods with frisbees. Sometimes a friend throws into a briar patch, and none of us happen to be EDCing a machete that day, so out comes my Spyderco folder so we can retrieve it without cutting ourselves. Or I'll be hiking through a state park and some fresh thorns sprouted over an old trail, and I want to trim them back. Knives like the Military, Police, Szabo folder etc. work just fine for that sort of task. Just like they work fine for prepping myself lunch, but if I know I'm cooking thanksgiving dinner for 20 people, I'll bring my 10" chef knife.

The FRN chap is a move I genuinely appreciate despite having zero interest in that particular model. I hope it is a sign of things to come. I am much more inclined to purchase a $50-100 FRN handled knife than anything else these days.

[jtoler_9]

What’s this thread about?

[RamZar]

What’s this thread about?

Effectively, a minimum 8.34% street price increase on all Spyderco knives.