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CPM SPY27 steel

Postby ChrisinHove » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:03 pm

Wow. A proprietary Spyderco steel - a CPM pm steel with vanadium, molybdenum, niobium, cobalt and nitrogen.

Any ideas or speculation as to composition and likely performance?

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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby The Meat man » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:05 pm

I cannot wait to find out! :eek:

Does anyone have any information?

Depending what it is this will be the first Para 3 I buy. :D
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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby ChrisinHove » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:07 pm

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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby Hopweaver » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:13 pm

What's in a name... :spyder:

I can guess where the SPY came from, but what about the 27?
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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby steelcity16 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:15 pm

Yeah, interested to what this would be most comparable to?
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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby archangel » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:20 pm

Related to PSF27 maybe? Just a wild guess...
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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby TazKristi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:20 pm

Hopweaver wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:13 pm
What's in a name... :spyder:

I can guess where the SPY came from, but what about the 27?
27 is the atomic number for Cobalt. ;)
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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby ChrisinHove » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:22 pm

Hopweaver wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:13 pm
What's in a name... :spyder:

I can guess where the SPY came from, but what about the 27?
It also looks most like a beefed up PSF27....

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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby thewoodpecker » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:26 pm

IMHO It could be similar to PSF27 but looks like it should have better wear resistance and corrosion resistance (i.e.stainless)...possibly higher hardness?
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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby JuPaul » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:28 pm

I was also thinking PSF27 might have been a starting place.

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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby VooDooChild » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:37 pm

Im excited to try it out, but the para 3 and manix 2 dont really do anything for me. Might get it in the manix 2. Will probably wait to see what other knives they put it in. Lots of carbon and lots of chromium. Im sure it will be stainless enough.
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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby archangel » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:39 pm

VooDooChild wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:37 pm
Will probably wait yo see what other knoves they put it in.

Same here. There will be more, I'm 100% sure.
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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby Haunted House » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:51 pm

At first glance it made me think of VG-10.
But with much higher Vanadium; increased cobalt & moly + niobium.

I’m far from an expert but when comparing it’s composition to other steels I like, this stuff is looking good!
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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby legOFwhat? » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:56 pm

Fixed or folder?
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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby Deadboxhero » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:02 pm

Doesn't look anything like PSF27.

The Carbon, chromium, Vanadium, Niobium and Cobalt confirm that.

What it does look like is SG2/S35VN but we have a lot of Niobium in there. Looks like a good sharpening steel and like they are chasing a steel that takes a better edge than the S30v stuff we are used to. Looks like it can run hard. Hopefully they decide to max it out and run towards 62rc.

Not available for me to play with heat treatment but with all that Niobium and Cobalt I'd have a lot of fun pushing towards 65rc for slicers
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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby TkoK83Spy » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:05 pm

It was named after me guys, just face the facts :p


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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby Haunted House » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:12 pm

Deadboxhero wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:02 pm
Doesn't look anything like PSF27.

The Carbon, chromium, Vanadium, Niobium and Cobalt confirm that.

What it does look like is SG2/S35VN but we have a lot of Niobium in there. Looks like a good sharpening steel and like they are chasing a steel that takes a better edge than the S30v stuff we are used to. Looks like it can run hard. Hopefully they decide to max it out and run towards 62rc.

Not available for me to play with heat treatment but with all that Niobium and Cobalt I'd have a lot of fun pushing towards 65rc for slicers
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With Kristi saying above that the 27 in the name is in reference to Cobalt, and reading Larrin’s article on Cobalt and it’s high temperature resistance, a high hardness/HRC is the first thing it made me think of. (Also why I got to looking at VG-10’s composition and wondered if it was loosely based on that).

(https://knifesteelnerds.com/2018/05/14/ ... -in-vg-10/)
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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby zuludelta » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:14 pm

Yeah, from the composition it looks like it's Spyderco's proprietary improvement on S35VN. It will be interesting to see what the extra niobium (1% vs 0.5%), cobalt, and the addition of more than trace nitrogen do in terms of real-world performance.

If I had to guess, the additions should make it tougher & allow it to be run harder than S35VN, along with an increase in corrosion resistance.
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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby Larrin » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:16 pm

I gave my analysis of the new steel here: https://knifesteelnerds.com/2020/01/15/ ... -analysis/
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Re: CPM SPY27 steel

Postby zuludelta » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:25 pm

Larrin wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:16 pm
I gave my analysis of the new steel here: https://knifesteelnerds.com/2020/01/15/ ... -analysis/
Well that was fast! :) Thanks for the detailed preliminary breakdown of the steel Larrin.


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